Outside the church there is no Salvation ( discussion)

[Hammster]

That the Lord Jesus Christ is the good shepherd, the door, the way, the truth, the life, the bread from heaven, and the light of the world is all true.

And those are not literal, but they convey a spiritual truth. But not the bread and wine. Those are literal.

smh

 

[MoreCoffee]

And those are not literal, but they convey a spiritual truth. But not the bread and wine. Those are literal.

smh

I have no idea what "literal" means in your posts. If you think that "literal" makes Jesus into wood then it is kind of stupid.

 

[Hammster]

I have no idea what "literal" means in your posts. If you think that "literal" makes Jesus into wood then it is kind of stupid.

Just as stupid as thinking He's actually bread and wine.

 

[Lamb]

I'm closing this thread for a cool down. You gentlemen need to remember you are supposed to behave as Little Christs and treat one another as you would like to be treated. This is beyond simple banter and you both know not to attack each other in such a manner!

 

[Lamb]

Opening this thread back up but please be respectful toward one another. Thank you

 

[visionary]

Opening this thread back up but please be respectful toward one another. Thank you

Salvation is not related to the church. Salvation is in relationship with God.

 

[psalms 91]

Salvation is not related to the church. Salvation is in relationship with God.

Exactly, I also believe that

 

[MoreCoffee]

Salvation is not related to the church. Salvation is in relationship with God.

Since the body of Christ is the Church and since one cannot be saved without being incorporated into the body of Christ it is absurd to teach that one can be saved apart from the Church.

 

[visionary]

Since the body of Christ is the Church and since one cannot be saved without being incorporated into the body of Christ it is absurd to teach that one can be saved apart from the Church.

Since there is no proof that the body of Christ is in the church, and where two or three gather together in His name is all it takes, incorporation is not necessary. Gathering together is not set in stone, isolated to one area, or time or place, .... gather together is what happens in the moment God brings His people together and it may be a one time event for His purpose. It is absurd to teach that one can be saved only in Church.

 

[Lamb]

Salvation is not related to the church. Salvation is in relationship with God.

Not sure how that relates to my opening the thread back up?

Salvation is by grace through faith. Can we receive salvation by receiving God's Word in church? You betcha. Can we receive faith by hearing some strange guy preach on the streets using God's Word? You betcha.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Since there is no proof that the body of Christ is in the church, and where two or three gather together in His name is all it takes, incorporation is not necessary. Gathering together is not set in stone, isolated to one area, or time or place, .... gather together is what happens in the moment God brings His people together and it may be a one time event for His purpose. It is absurd to teach that one can be saved only in Church.

Not "is in the church" but "is the church"; specifically the body of Christ is the the church of the living God. The holy scriptures say, "I write this to you in the hope that I may be able to come to you soon; but in case I should be delayed, I want you to know how people ought to behave in God's household -- that is, in the Church of the living God, pillar and support of the truth. Without any doubt, the mystery of our religion is very deep indeed: He was made visible in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed to the gentiles, believed in throughout the world, taken up in glory." (1 Timothy 3:14-16 NJB) and also "It is the parts of the body which we consider least dignified that we surround with the greatest dignity; and our less presentable parts are given greater presentability which our presentable parts do not need. God has composed the body so that greater dignity is given to the parts which were without it, and so that there may not be disagreements inside the body but each part may be equally concerned for all the others. If one part is hurt, all the parts share its pain. And if one part is honoured, all the parts share its joy. Now Christ's body is yourselves, each of you with a part to play in the whole. And those whom God has appointed in the Church are, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers; after them, miraculous powers, then gifts of healing, helpful acts, guidance, various kinds of tongues." (1 Corinthians 12:23-28 NJB)

 

[Josiah]

Not "is in the church" but "is the church"; specifically the body of Christ is the the church of the living God. The holy scriptures say, "I write this to you in the hope that I may be able to come to you soon; but in case I should be delayed, I want you to know how people ought to behave in God's household -- that is, in the Church of the living God, pillar and support of the truth.

Thus the RC Denomination cannot be the church. "Oikos" means a corpus of PEOPLE - not a denomination.

Without any doubt, the mystery of our religion is very deep indeed: He was made visible in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed to the gentiles, believed in throughout the world, taken up in glory." (1 Timothy 3:14-16 NJB) and also "It is the parts of the body which we consider least dignified that we surround with the greatest dignity; and our less presentable parts are given greater presentability which our presentable parts do not need. God has composed the body so that greater dignity is given to the parts which were without it, and so that there may not be disagreements inside the body but each part may be equally concerned for all the others. If one part is hurt, all the parts share its pain. And if one part is honoured, all the parts share its joy. Now Christ's body is yourselves, each of you with a part to play in the whole. And those whom God has appointed in the Church are, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers; after them, miraculous powers, then gifts of healing, helpful acts, guidance, various kinds of tongues." (1 Corinthians 12:23-28 NJB)

EXACTLY! This is one of the fundamental reasons why I left your denomination - it rejects all that and just substitutes it itself as the church. Jesus and the Apostles taught that the church is PEOPLE - Christians - the corpus of such (you know, the Protestant definition). Which likely is why Jesus never so much as even MENTIONED the RCC (or EOC or OOC or LDS or any other denomination).... obviously, Jesus knew about the RCC, knew about the rise of denominations after the 4th Century, knew the RC Denomination would be big and boastful for over 1000 years and NEVER ONCE so much as even MENTIONED it - at all, for anything, concerning anything. Frankly, the RCC and EOC and OOC and LDS etc were totally irrelevant to Him and to the Apostles, because JESUS is the Lord of the church (not some egotistical dictator) and WE are the church (not some self-proclaimed, power-grabbing, accountability-evading, egotistical, dictatorial denomination).

The very word "church" means a gathering of PEOPLE. Just as "oikos" (household) means an association of PEOPLE. The whole Roman obsession with institution, individualism, power, control, dominance, lordship, pride, centrality, lording it over others as the Gentiles do - all that is quite the antithesis of what the Bible proclaims, what Jesus proclaimed, what the Apostles proclaimed - it's ROMAN, not Christian.




Thank you.


Pax


- Josiah