Biblical Repentance

[Lamb]

Yes, providing we are not like the foolish virgins, as statede before I do not believe in once saved always saved any more than I believe anyone can know but God for only He knows the heart of man so He alone is the judge of this. Answer me this then Lamm someone goes to the alter and gets saved yet continues to live life as he did before he got saved, is this person going on to eternal life with God?

Lutherans don't "go to the altar" to get saved. That's decision theology.

You believe salvation means you will have eternal life with God and yet you then qualified in your quoted post above that the person has to do something for that salvation instead of "by grace through faith in Jesus".

 

[Lamb]

The Augsburg Confession summarized it this way. “Now properly speaking, true repentance is nothing else than to have contrition and sorrow, or terror about sin, and yet at the same time to believe in the gospel and absolution that sin is forgiven and grace is obtained through Christ. Such faith, in turn, comforts the heart and puts it at peace” (The Book of Concord, p. 44).

Being truly Lutheran—and truly Christian—is to live a life of repentance; to daily confess our sins and rejoice in the forgiveness of sins; and to plead for God’s mercy, trusting that he is merciful. That’s how, in the face of our sinful nature and the devil’s attacks, we live in the confidence of God’s grace.
https://wels.net/what-it-means-to-be-truly-lutheran-living-a-life-of-repentance/

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Lutherans don't "go to the altar" to get saved. That's decision theology.

You believe salvation means you will have eternal life with God and yet you then qualified in your quoted post above that the person has to do something for that salvation instead of "by grace through faith in Jesus".

Right, we go to the altar to receive the forgiveness of sins by receiving Christ's true body to eat and His true blood to drink.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Yes, providing we are not like the foolish virgins, as statede before I do not believe in once saved always saved any more than I believe anyone can know but God for only He knows the heart of man so He alone is the judge of this. Answer me this then Lamm someone goes to the alter and gets saved yet continues to live life as he did before he got saved, is this person going on to eternal life with God?

There's no way to answer your question because we don't know what kind of life the sinner who gets saved in this scenario was living.

 

[psalms 91]

There's no way to answer your question because we don't know what kind of life the sinner who gets saved in this scenario was living.

A sinful onejust as all of us were

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

A sinful onejust as all of us were

Yes, since as a Christian he will respond to the prompting of the Holy Spirit by repenting daily of his sins.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes, since as a Christian he will respond to the prompting of the Holy Spirit by repenting daily of his sins.

Me thinks you are trying to be obtuse I think you know exactly what I mean so I guess there is no point in carrying this discussion further. Nice avoidance by the way

 

[Lamb]

Me thinks you are trying to be obtuse I think you know exactly what I mean so I guess there is no point in carrying this discussion further. Nice avoidance by the way

He's not being obtuse. He's giving you a biblically correct response in that the Holy Spirit dwells within the believer and guides that person to repent daily of his sins. You asked about those who sin...and he's responding to you.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Me thinks you are trying to be obtuse I think you know exactly what I mean so I guess there is no point in carrying this discussion further. Nice avoidance by the way

I answered the question you asked. How am I engaged in avoidance?

 

[psalms 91]

My whole point is that many who come to Christ are engaged in things that Jesus said would not inheret the kingdom so if they come forward and profess to be saved yet continue in these works (sins) then what? Sin we continue in is not repented of and therefore not forgiven till we do

 

[Lamb]

My whole point is that many who come to Christ are engaged in things that Jesus said would not inheret the kingdom so if they come forward and profess to be saved yet continue in these works (sins) then what? Sin we continue in is not repented of and therefore not forgiven till we do

"Then what" is your question but WHO can answer that but God? You don't know how the Holy Spirit is working in that person, do you? So let God be God.

 

[psalms 91]

"Then what" is your question but WHO can answer that but God? You don't know how the Holy Spirit is working in that person, do you? So let God be God.

Or follow scripture and judge those who are in the church and the command to approach a brother and confront the sin?

 

[Michael]

"Then what" is your question but WHO can answer that but God? You don't know how the Holy Spirit is working in that person, do you? So let God be God.

God often sent prophets to warn His people of coming judgment because of unrepentant sin. He uses people to declare His Word to others. That IS letting God be God; letting Him send whom He will send, and not "kicking against the goads" or persecuting those whom He has sent to speak His Truth, lest we be found "fighting against God."

"Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.” - Acts 5:38-39

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[Lamb]

Or follow scripture and judge those who are in the church and the command to approach a brother and confront the sin?

Did anyone here say that we shouldn't give the law to those who are sinning???? You're traveling down a different path now from your original question!

 

[MennoSota]

Or follow scripture and judge those who are in the church and the command to approach a brother and confront the sin?

Are you referring to Matthew 18 in your comment?

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

My whole point is that many who come to Christ are engaged in things that Jesus said would not inheret the kingdom so if they come forward and profess to be saved yet continue in these works (sins) then what? Sin we continue in is not repented of and therefore not forgiven till we do

Then you should have framed and asked your question according to what you really wanted to know. The Christian life is one of daily repentance for the sins we do commit every day until we die. You need to remember that repenting is a response to the Holy Spirit convicting us of our sins. It's a fruit of the Spirit. Scripture states that Jesus will forgive us when we confess our sins. Do you think Jesus' grace and forgiveness are limited?

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Or follow scripture and judge those who are in the church and the command to approach a brother and confront the sin?

You can only do that for sins you have absolute knowledge, proof and witnesses for. How many people do you personally know who are continuing in a specific sin that Jesus said would prevent them from entering the kingdom? And if you do know any, have you confronted them according to Matthew 18?

 

[psalms 91]

Did anyone here say that we shouldn't give the law to those who are sinning???? You're traveling down a different path now from your original question!

Nope just answering what you posted

 

[Lamb]

Then you should have framed and asked your question according to what you really wanted to know. The Christian life is one of daily repentance for the sins we do commit every day until we die. You need to remember that repenting is a response to the Holy Spirit convicting us of our sins. It's a fruit of the Spirit. Scripture states that Jesus will forgive us when we confess our sins. Do you think Jesus' grace and forgiveness are limited?

Well said.

Even our repentance isn't what earned forgiveness given when we repent...it all comes from the cross where Jesus died so grace and forgiveness are unlimited.

 

[psalms 91]

I think this is one of those will agree to disagree things, you appear to be well grounded in what you believe as am I.