Why we have the bible in English (despite the RCC)

[Hammster]

http://adam4d.com/tyndale/

 

[visionary]

To full fill the prophecy that His word will go out to all nations.

 

[Hammster]

To full fill the prophecy that His word will go out to all nations.

And He used Tyndale despite the RCC effort to stop it from happening.

 

[visionary]

He used quite a few people despite RCC efforts.

 

[Hammster]

He used quite a few people despite RCC efforts.

I guess you didn't read the link.

 

[Brighten04]

Good link. Thanks. God prospered Tyndale's work even to this day. It is sad the way he was murdered by the RCC.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The first bibles in Saxon were Catholic so too the first bibles in old English were Catholic and the first bible in early Modern English was Catholic; in fact the Douay-Rheims Bible was translated and printed before the KJV. So the work of Tyndale was far from the first English bible.

Old English bibles
Middle English bibles
Early Modern English bibles

 

[Hammster]

The first bibles in Saxon were Catholic so too the first bibles in old English were Catholic and the first bible in early Modern English was Catholic; in fact the Douay-Rheims Bible was translated and printed before the KJV. So the work of Tyndale was far from the first English bible.

Old English bibles
Middle English bibles
Early Modern English bibles

Exactly. They were Catholic. That was part of the problem.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Exactly. They were Catholic. That was part of the problem.

The Vulgate is Catholic, and the ancient Greek bible is Orthodox. If these are "part of the problem" where do you propose that the solution is to be found? Surely the Bible in English is not the original from which all others are to be translated?

 

[Hammster]

The Vulgate is Catholic, and the ancient Greek bible is Orthodox. If these are "part of the problem" where do you propose that the solution is to be found? Surely the Bible in English is not the original from which all others are to be translated?

Tyndale solved the problem. That's why Rome killed him.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Tyndale solved the problem. That's why Rome killed him.

I think he was killed because he really insulted and upset Henry VIII but no doubt his religious opinions also made him a heretic and many nations in the sixteenth century killed people for heresy. I do not see how his translation work (mainly in the new testament) solved any problem that needed to be solved.

 

[Hammster]

I think he was killed because he really insulted and upset Henry VIII but no doubt his religious opinions also made him a heretic and many nations in the sixteenth century killed people for heresy. I do not see how his translation work (mainly in the new testament) solved any problem that needed to be solved.

It was the part where his accurate translation contradicted with some of Rome's teaching. Although he did upset Henry as well.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It was the part where his accurate translation contradicted with some of Rome's teaching.

Wherever his translation is accurate it is good and where it is not it is not good. Can you cite or quote one or two places where Tyndale is accurate and at the same time contradicts the teaching of the Catholic Church?

 

[Pedrito]

It may be that the Church of Rome published a versions of the Bible in English before Tyndale embarked on his epic work.

But that version was demonstrably not for the common people. Otherwise, Tyndale would not have had to do what he did.

If Foxe's Book of Martyrs has any credence, common people in Britain were being burned at the stake for possessing portions of the Bible in English, including the (deemed heretical) Ten Commandments. Not just men, either.

Based on that, and on its other persecutive practices (including torture), a person could be forgiven for doubting that the Church of Rome could ever be considered in any way to be God's representative organisation on Earth.

Unless of course, God condoned the torture and burning at the stake, and maybe even commanded them to be done.

 

[Pedrito]

It may be that the Church of Rome published a versions of the Bible in English before Tyndale embarked on his epic work.

But that version was demonstrably not for the common people. Otherwise, Tyndale would not have had to do what he did.

If Foxe's Book of Martyrs has any credence, common people in Britain were being burned at the stake for possessing portions of the Bible in English, including the (deemed heretical) Ten Commandments. Not just men, either.

Based on that, and on its other persecutive practices (including torture), a person could be forgiven for doubting that the Church of Rome could ever be considered in any way to be God's representative organisation on Earth.

Unless of course, God condoned the torture and burning at the stake, and maybe even commanded them to be done.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I am fairly sure that Wycliffe's bible was both in English and in use by the common people and it pre-dates Tyndale by many decades.

 

[Tallguy88]

It may be that the Church of Rome published a versions of the Bible in English before Tyndale embarked on his epic work.

But that version was demonstrably not for the common people. Otherwise, Tyndale would not have had to do what he did.

If Foxe's Book of Martyrs has any credence, common people in Britain were being burned at the stake for possessing portions of the Bible in English, including the (deemed heretical) Ten Commandments. Not just men, either.

Based on that, and on its other persecutive practices (including torture), a person could be forgiven for doubting that the Church of Rome could ever be considered in any way to be God's representative organisation on Earth.

Unless of course, God condoned the torture and burning at the stake, and maybe even commanded them to be done.

Why would the RCC deem the Ten Commandments heretical? We have them too. We number them differently than most modern Protestants (the Bible doesn't actually number them or make reference to "ten" commandments), but the content is the same.

Also, Foxe's book is polemical and partially exagerated. It's not untrue, but it doesn't mention that Protestants did much the same and worse to Catholics, both in England and on the Continent. Nobody was blameless during that time period.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Why would the RCC deem the Ten Commandments heretical? We have them too. We number them differently than most modern Protestants (the Bible doesn't actually number them or make reference to "ten" commandments), but the content is the same.

Also, Foxe's book is polemical and partially exagerated. It's not untrue, but it doesn't mention that Protestants did much the same and worse to Catholics, both in England and on the Continent. Nobody was blameless during that time period.

I believe that Henry VIII managed to kill around 80,000 Catholic Englishmen during his reign; of course the claim he made was that they were traitors but since he redefined "traitor" to mean people who did not agree to his divorce, would not attend the new "Church of England", or did not acknowledge him as supreme head of the church in England he discovered that all his Catholic subjects were apt to be "Traitors".

 

[visionary]

Glad someone translated scriptures into the common language of the people then and now. Appreciate it in English so that I can be inspired, know Him, and learn the history of the people who followed Him from the beginning, however stumbling bad.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Glad someone translated scriptures into the common language of the people then and now. Appreciate it in English so that I can be inspired, know Him, and learn the history of the people who followed Him from the beginning, however stumbling bad.

DRB and KJV are really about the first bibles in the kind of English that folk today can still read.