THE APOSTLES DID NOT PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

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Ephesians 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

The mystery of the gospel was revealed only to Paul.

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Paul and the twelve Apostles preached Christ. Paul preached Christ according to the mystery and the scriptures of the prophets. The twelve did not preach Christ according to the mystery.

Paul claims the gospel as being "my gospel", which distinguishes it from all others. Paul states his gospel was according to the mystery. The mystery was kept secret until revealed to Paul, which means the twelve Apostles could not have known it.

Paul's gospel is now made manifest.

Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

Paul was an Apostle to the Gentiles.

3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

God clearly states that there are dispensations. We are in the dispensation of the grace of God. Gentiles can now be saved freely, along with Jews, without the law and covenants. Gentiles no longer are seperated from Israel. Gentiles no longer have to come to God through Israel.

3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Jesus revealed the mystery to Paul.

3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The church, the body of Christ was revealed only to Paul.

Colossians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

The mystery was hid even from the twelve disciples, but was made manifest to us by Paul.

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

18:32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

18:34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Paul's gospel includes the death, burial, and the resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The twelve Apostles had no understanding of any of this according to Luke 18:34, even when Jesus told them of his death and resurrection in Luke 18:33 and in fact, it was hid from them. The twelve Apostles could not have been preaching the same gospel as Paul.

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Jesus was preaching the gospel of the promised Davidic kingdom (Luke 1:32).

Luke 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.

9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

9:6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

The twelve Apostles were not preaching the same gospel as Paul, but rather the gospel of the kingdom, which Paul never preached.

It is imperative to believe the gospel that was given to us and be justified unto eternal life.

The gospel has been progressively revealed throughout scripture. Those that believed the gospel revealed in their dispensations, believed God, and were justified unto eternal life (Romans 4:3). If you only believe that the kingdom is at hand (Mark 1:15), as preached by the twelve, you are lost. If you only believe in the name of Jesus, as preached by the twelve, that he is the Christ, the Son of God (John 20:31), you are lost. If you only believe you should repent and be baptized (Acts 2:38), as preached by the twelve, you are lost. If you only believe the gospels of the twelve Apostles you are lost.

The gospel given us in this dispensation is only found in the epistles of Paul; examples being Romans 3:19-26 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
 

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And just what is your point?
 

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They did not preach the same gospel because it was to different audiances with different levels of understanding, bottom line is that they all preached jesus Christ crucified and risen as the saviour of the world. Did not matter if you were Jewish or a prostelite, a gentile or a seeker.
 

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They did not preach the same gospel because it was to different audiances with different levels of understanding, bottom line is that they all preached jesus Christ crucified and risen as the saviour of the world. Did not matter if you were Jewish or a prostelite, a gentile or a seeker.

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Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

18:32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

18:34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

It would be hard to uphold the Apostles preaching the same gospel as Paul when they understood nothing of his death, burial and resurrection which is at the core of the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
 

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All of the apostles preached Jesus Christ and Him crucified!! They preached the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ !


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Hello

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

18:32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

18:34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

It would be hard to uphold the Apostles preaching the same gospel as Paul when they understood nothing of his death, burial and resurrection which is at the core of the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
They knew it after He rose and appeared unto them. You cannot take a verse from Luke before His death and squeeze it into Cor which was after. Their understanding was completely different at that point
 

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And just what is your point?

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My point was stated in the post "It is imperative to believe the gospel that was given to us and be justified unto eternal life."
We must believe the gospel revealed to us and found in Paul's epistles alone.
 

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I think he's anti-Pauline?
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I am not anti-Pauline you must have missed this in my post "The gospel given us in this dispensation is only found in the epistles of Paul; examples being Romans 3:19-26 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. "
 

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They knew it after He rose and appeared unto them. You cannot take a verse from Luke before His death and squeeze it into Cor which was after. Their understanding was completely different at that point
Hello
Please show me scripture that what was said after the resurrection demonstrates they were preaching the mysteries and the gospel revealed to Paul.

You know that really doesn't matter because the contention is that the twelve and Paul always preached the same gospel.
 

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Basically the whole New Testament. When Jesus appeared unto the ones on the road to Emmaus does it not say they had their eyes opened and all the times He appeared until He went up. Then the teaching by the apostles throughout the New Testament
 

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Basically the whole New Testament. When Jesus appeared unto the ones on the road to Emmaus does it not say they had their eyes opened and all the times He appeared until He went up. Then the teaching by the apostles throughout the New Testament

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It is hard to follow your posts because I don't think you are using "reply with quote" nor am I being notified you replied....just so you know

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Jesus opened their understanding of prophecy found in the scriptures. What was revealed to Paul was mystery, hid in God (Ephesians 3:9), not in scripture and not revealed to the twelve.
 

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Hello

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

18:32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

18:34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

It would be hard to uphold the Apostles preaching the same gospel as Paul when they understood nothing of his death, burial and resurrection which is at the core of the gospel
(1 Corinthians 15:1-4)

A foolish comment...

ALL the Apostles, AFTER PENTECOST, understood EVERYTHING about Christ's Death, Burial and Resurrection...


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Hello
It is hard to follow your posts because I don't think you are using "reply with quote" nor am I being notified you replied....just so you know

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Jesus opened their understanding of prophecy found in the scriptures. What was revealed to Paul was mystery, hid in God (Ephesians 3:9), not in scripture and not revealed to the twelve.

A Mystery which was hidden from all until AFTER Pentecost...

Pentecost was the Holy Spirit Come in Power unto the Apostles...

Paul came later, and sought and found Peter and John and James for their validation of "his" Gospel...

"Lest I had run in vain...", remember?

And they extended it to him...

With the admonition:

Remember the Poor...


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A Mystery which was hidden from all until AFTER Pentecost...

Pentecost was the Holy Spirit Come in Power unto the Apostles...

Paul came later, and sought and found Peter and John and James for their validation of "his" Gospel...

"Lest I had run in vain...", remember?

And they extended it to him...

With the admonition:

Remember the Poor...


Arsenios

Hello
I am afraid that does not line up with scripture
First of all the mystery revealed by Christ to Paul did not take place until somewhere at Paul's conversion in Acts 9 but certainly not at Pentecost in Acts 2.

Saying that Paul was looking for confirmation can not be upheld by the text.

Paul was dealing with false brethren for one.

Galatians 2:6 says that those of reputation imparted nothing to Paul in understanding or approval.
 

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Hello, Doug...

Saying that Paul was looking for confirmation can not be upheld by the text.

Paul was dealing with false brethren for one.

Galatians 2:6 says that those of reputation imparted nothing to Paul in understanding or approval.

Gal 2:2
And I went up by revelation,
and communicated unto them
that gospel
which I preach among the Gentiles,
but privately
to them which were of reputation,
lest by any means I should run,
or had run,
in vain.


He communicated privately the Gospel he preached to the Gentiles
To those who were of reputation...
Because it was God's Will that he do so...
For he went up BY REVELATION...
That by communicating with the chief Apostles...
He might know from them...
If he had somehow run...
Or was somehow running...
In vain...

God Himself sent him to Peter and Iakovos and John so that they should bless his efforts, or not...
God wanted even the great Apostle Paul to submit himself to those three...
And he did so...
And he received their blessing...
For his ministry...


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Saying that Paul was looking for confirmation can not be upheld by the text.

How then do you understand this text from Galatians 2?:

lest by any means
I should run,
or had run,
in vain.



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How then do you understand this text from Galatians 2?:

lest by any means
I should run,
or had run,
in vain.


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Hello
The meaning of this has not been supplied in the passage so we may be wrong.

It can also be found to some degree in Philippians 2:16 in regard to not having labored in vain.

In Galatians 5:7 it speaks of having run well in obeying the truth of the gospel.

So I think it means he went to them so the truth of the gospel would not jeopardized by the teaching of false brethren.
 

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Hello
The meaning of this has not been supplied in the passage so we may be wrong.

It can also be found to some degree in Philippians 2:16 in regard to not having labored in vain.

In Galatians 5:7 it speaks of having run well in obeying the truth of the gospel.

So I think it means he went to them so the truth of the gospel would not jeopardized by
the teaching of false brethren.

Well he did in fact not run in vain, yes?
Yet God sent him by revelation to Peter, John and Iakovos, yes?
To find out whether he was running or had run in vain, yes?

So why would God send him to FALSE BRETHREN, as you so falsely call them, to find out if he was running or had run in vain???

Peter and John are two of the authors of sections of the Bible...

One wrote the 4th Gospel, not to mention Revelation...

And YOU are going to call them FALSE BRETHREN???

So the Bible is partly written by FALSE BRETHREN???

Can you see the corner you have painted yourself into?

I mean, YIKES!!!


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Well he did in fact not run in vain, yes?
Yet God sent him by revelation to Peter, John and Iakovos, yes?
To find out whether he was running or had run in vain, yes?

So why would God send him to FALSE BRETHREN, as you so falsely call them, to find out if he was running or had run in vain???

Peter and John are two of the authors of sections of the Bible...

One wrote the 4th Gospel, not to mention Revelation...

And YOU are going to call them FALSE BRETHREN???

So the Bible is partly written by FALSE BRETHREN???

Can you see the corner you have painted yourself into?

I mean, YIKES!!!


Arsenios

Hello
You have misunderstood me.

Paul went up to Jerusalem.
Paul met privately with those of reputation.
Paul met with those of reputation because there were false brethren compelling the saints to be circumcised.
I was not saying those of reputation were the false brethren.
 
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