Impeach him now

[tango]

Andrew, isn't it time you put down your verbal sword? Sheath it before you impale you soul upon it.

As for me, I cannot respect the rants you posted. I imagine that you will soon enough reflect on them and regret them.

In the end the pope does not know what your opinion of him is and will never hear of it so why all this invective. It is not as if he will respond to you. And I do not care to respond to it except to hope and pray that you'll stop before you get in too deep to withdraw.

Isn't it also time YOU put down YOUR metaphorical sword and quit whining about Trump?

In the end Trump does not know what your opinion of him is and will never hear of it so why all this invective. It is not as if he will respond to you.

Why not focus your apparently very considerable angst about The Donald onto something useful? You know, perhaps something where you can actually make a difference. It's not as if you're going to change anybody's mind here - the people who already dislike Trump aren't going to dislike him more because of you endlessly posting your thoughts in impeaching him, and the people who currently like Trump aren't going to suddenly change their tune because someone from half way around the world doesn't like him.

 

[tango]

You are correct. Impeachment does not mean that the President steps down immediately from his position and Clinton finished his term.

I have many friends on FB who say they are voting for Trump. I think he has a good chance to win because of all the hostility from the Democrats.

One thing I've found quite interesting is when I read surveys about what people think of an idea based on which politician proposed it.

During the Obama administration a method that often made Republican voters look stupid was to propose a change to the healthcare system to make everything cheaper and more accessible, at which point people supported it. But the exact same proposal was rejected when it was called "Obamacare", presumably because it's anathema for a Republican to support anything Obama did even if it did seem like a good idea.

More recently some surveys have indicated that Democrat voters, presented with an idea along the lines of "would you support or oppose a policy that...." would show fairly strong support for it but when the exact same idea was presented as "would you support or oppose a policy, as suggested by Donald Trump, that...." it was vigorously opposed.

As far as the kind of tribal "my guy good, your guy bad" thinking goes it seems both sides are as bad as the other. It would be really nice if ideas and policies could be discussed and considered based on their merits or otherwise rather than the relentless focus on whether the person proposing it is on Our Side or The Other Side.

 

[Albion]

One thing I've found quite interesting is when I read surveys about what people think of an idea based on which politician proposed it.

During the Obama administration a method that often made Republican voters look stupid was to propose a change to the healthcare system to make everything cheaper and more accessible, at which point people supported it. But the exact same proposal was rejected when it was called "Obamacare", presumably because it's anathema for a Republican to support anything Obama did even if it did seem like a good idea.

Much of the Republican opposition to Obamacare, however, was based upon it NOT being more available or affordable, which is exactly what has proven to be the case since it became law.

 

[psalms 91]

Much of the Republican opposition to Obamacare, however, was based upon it NOT being more available or affordable, which is exactly what has proven to be the case since it became law.

It was fought tooth and nail ever since it was proposed and instead of trying to fix it which it could be fixed Republicans want to scrap it totally and of course no replacement for all the people that once again would not have insurance or couldnt get it.

 

[tango]

Much of the Republican opposition to Obamacare, however, was based upon it NOT being more available or affordable, which is exactly what has proven to be the case since it became law.

Much was based on doubting whether it would be effective, the point was that when people agree with a proposal but disagree with an identical proposal because it says Obama it looks more like a political matter than an economic matter.

 

[tango]

It was fought tooth and nail ever since it was proposed and instead of trying to fix it which it could be fixed Republicans want to scrap it totally and of course no replacement for all the people that once again would not have insurance or couldnt get it.

The trouble is that it's almost impossible to actually fix it.

The process of forcing someone to buy a product is all but guaranteed to drive the price up. When there is competition between suppliers and people have the ultimate option of choosing "none of the above" there's an incentive to keep prices down. When there are only two providers offering a product and consumers are legally mandated to choose one of them, it's hardly surprising that the prices rise. Then when subsidies are handed out based on the cost of the second cheapest silver plan it doesn't take a genius to predict that in a market with only two players the second cheapest silver plan (i.e. the more expensive of the two) rockets in price. So what the process does is drive up the price, then hand out tax credits to people who can't afford it, cut off the tax credits abruptly at a very specific income level (so a couple with no dependent children would get in the region of $1000/month tax credits if their income was $64,000 but nothing if they were unlucky enough to make $65,000), which then allows the Democrats to spread lots of fear that the nasty Republicans might cut off the tax credits.

Of course for the ultimate irony the "Affordable" Care Act had a provision for those who could not get a plan considered affordable, meaning that a couple making $60,000 annually could afford a plan but a couple making $65,000 could not. I'm not sure how that counts as progress. And then there was the matter that in about 2012 a couple could get a high-deductible plan for $300/month but a comparable ACA plan cost $1600/month. I'm sure anyone would agree that $1600/month is easily affordable.

It's easy to see how badly broken the healthcare system in the US really is, and as one who would self-identify as moderate Republican it was hugely disappointing when the Republicans took all three levels of government and revealed the long-awaited replacement for the ACA was, well, er, nothing. That said I think the ACA is so badly broken the best course of action is to scrap it and start over - it seemed to do little more than throw a few bones to one group while hanging another group out to dry, all the while funnelling untold billions of tax dollars into the pockets of insurance companies.
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[RichWh1]

Seriously, name one specific reason you can't support our president and we can discuss it

He’s a criminal who ignores the law and constitution


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[RichWh1]

MC,


How can you impeach the Queen? After all, she never even bothered to run for the office and received NOT ONE VOTE from anyone for anything.

What are you talking about? Who mentioned the Queen?


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[Andrew]

He’s a criminal who ignores the law and constitution


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A bit of a broad statement, tell me specifically what he did

 

[MoreCoffee]

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As for me, I cannot respect the constant rant you post. I imagine ...

I do not doubt that you imagine all sorts of things.

 

[MoreCoffee]

What are you talking about? Who mentioned the Queen?


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Josiah mentions the queen often, maybe he likes her or something.

 

[Andrew]

Josiah mentions the queen often, maybe he likes her or something.

I thought she was cute in her younger days

 

[MoreCoffee]

Isn't it also time YOU put down YOUR metaphorical sword and quit whining about Trump?

It's never time to put away the sword of the Spirit.

Impeach Donald now!!!!!!

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[MoreCoffee]

Fair enough, I also don't respect the rants you posted.
Future note, if you and I ever have thanksgiving dinner together we should refrain from political talk.
It really brings out the worst in BOTH of us MC

We do not do thanksgiving; all those poor turkeys slaughtered just so USA people can be gluttonous

And I never rant, I have fun. No temper tantrums from me, just even handed calm calls to impeach and then convict Donald! and then throw him in jail!! for all his high crimes and misdemeanours. He's a naughty naughty man; says terrible things about the women he claims to have molested, lies to the people, lies under oath, obstructed justice ... quite the scurrilous man and unfit for any office in the land.



PS: and he is a Russian agent, possibly unwittingly because he appears to have very little wits

 

[Andrew]

We do not do thanksgiving; all those poor turkeys slaughtered just so USA people can be gluttonous

And I never rant, I have fun. No temper tantrums from me, just even handed calm calls to impeach and then convict Donald! and then throw him in jail!! for all his high crimes and misdemeanours. He's a naughty naughty man; says terrible things about the women he claims to have molested, lies to the people, lies under oath, obstructed justice ... quite the scurrilous man and unfit for any office in the land.



PS: and he is a Russian agent, possibly unwittingly because he appears to have very little wits

You tell many lies which are sins.
A pornstar who comes out after he is elected is asking for money off his name because she knows that even if they had a history or NOT, its better to just pay her off like the sexual gold digging prostitute deviant she is, very typical. Im more concerned about people who commit crimes while in office.
Turkeys are animals which God allowed us to eat after the flood of noah, btw, there are holidays all around the world that celebrate some form of gluttony on Thanksgiving day, so no its not just us heretical and apostate Americans who enjoy eating food

 

[tango]

It's never time to put away the sword of the Spirit.

Impeach Donald now!!!!!!

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It appears I may have misjudged you. I previously thought you were a reasonable, intelligent person. But since about all you seem to post is endless repetition of the same tired garbage I'm wondering if you have anything useful to say at all. No need to reply, I'm checking out of the thread as it clearly contains nothing useful.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It appears I may have misjudged you.

As the holy scriptures say and as you ought to follow:
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured unto you. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me cast out the mote out of thine eye; and lo, the beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast your pearls before the swine, lest haply they trample them under their feet, and turn and rend you.

 

[Andrew]

As the holy scriptures say and as you ought to follow:
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured unto you. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me cast out the mote out of thine eye; and lo, the beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast your pearls before the swine, lest haply they trample them under their feet, and turn and rend you.

Denounce the Papacy and reclaim your rightful place in Catholicism among all other bodies of the Church... face it MC, the Pope has no control of your denomination, if you have a bad pope just once (which you have many times) it should allow for the Catholic church to be free independent from the vatican and MAGIC you are one of us, in the Body of Christ fighting the good fight with logic, which I believe you are doing, I know that you know the Pope is just a cardinal elected by other cardinals often through violence and greed. The Pope has nothing to do with your denomination, you have a wonderful denomination without Popes fudging it all up for Catholics. I would respect you so much more if you would denounce the man who claims to be the one true and sovereign prophet of God and God on Earth which the vatican does claim he is...
Christ won and is our victor alone!, the Pope is poo if he claims to speak for God!
His ideas are literally poo poo imo repent of having him as your Christ speaker and be one in Catholicism, maybe then you and the EO will find some truths.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Denounce the Papacy ...

You poor chap, your posts are pope obsessed. Repent and believe the gospel. Stop ranting about popes, I never do.

By the way, I think your denomination/religion leaders are likely to be rubbish

:smirk:

PS: impeach that devil Donald now before your land is laid waste in the last plagues on the world prior to judgement day!

 

[Albion]

Seriously, name one specific reason you can't support our president and we can discuss it

Did you notice that he couldn't do it?