All About Faith

[YourTruthGod]

Wow, extremely out of context

No, not just because you say so.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Jesus purifies absolute sin not just purification rights

What? That doesn't even make sense.

 

[MennoSota]

Do you know what it means to bear false witness against me like that?

Your words of law witness to us all that you have abandoned grace.

 

[MennoSota]

You make Paul the biggest hypocrite who curses himself.

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

You are the Judaizer. Paul curses...you.

 

[YourTruthGod]

You are the Judaizer. Paul curses...you.

You curse yourself when you bear false witness against Paul and me.

 

[Andrew]

What? That doesn't even make sense.

He purifies the abused laws of the OT and corrects them, you obviously get none of this

 

[MennoSota]

You curse yourself when you bear false witness against Paul and me.

Paul bears witness against you. You stand on the same island as all graceless Judaisers. Your faux claims are empty.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Paul bears witness against you. You stand on the same island as all graceless Judaisers. Your faux claims are empty.

Show were I told anyone to do the works of the law and get circumcised and observe special days.

Show it now or repent.

 

[YourTruthGod]

He purifies the abused laws of the OT and corrects them, you obviously get none of this

You don't make sense and there is nothing else to get.

 

[MennoSota]

Show were I told anyone to do the works of the law and get circumcised and observe special days.

Show it now or repent.

Galatians 1:6-9 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 3:1-14 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”? Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
Galatians 4:4-9 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God. Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?
Galatians 5:1,4,7-8,12-15 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. You are severed from Christ,
you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? This persuasion is not from him who calls you. I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves! For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.

Now...you repent.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Galatians 1:6-9 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 3:1-14 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”? Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
Galatians 4:4-9 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God. Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?
Galatians 5:1,4,7-8,12-15 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. You are severed from Christ,
you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? This persuasion is not from him who calls you. I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves! For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.

Now...you repent.

Show where I told anyone to get circumcised and to observe special days.

 

[MennoSota]

Show where I told anyone to get circumcised and to observe special days.

I just point to where you say a person "must" before God "can."
You preach law for salvation and reject grace.
You are a Judaizer.

 

[YourTruthGod]

I just point to where you say a person "must" before God "can."
You preach law for salvation and reject grace.
You are a Judaizer.

You don't make sense.

 

[MennoSota]

You don't make sense.

1 Corinthians 1:18,22-25 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

 

[YourTruthGod]

1 Corinthians 1:18,22-25 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

You don't make sense and you try to put me down with scripture is pathetic.

We have to obey God to be saved and to stay saved. We must obey God to be saved saved and to stay saved.

It is never ever a wrong time to obey God.

Now do you want to tell me what happened when people didn't obey Jesus and have faith?

 

[MennoSota]

You don't make sense and you try to put me down with scripture is pathetic.

We have to obey God to be saved and to stay saved. We must obey God to be saved saved and to stay saved.

It is never ever a wrong time to obey God.

Now do you want to tell me what happened when people didn't obey Jesus and have faith?

Your words are the same as the Judaisers. "We must do to be saved. We must do to remain saved."
Such talk knows no grace.

 

[Josiah]

We have to obey God to be saved

Make up your mind. Sometimes you talk about "GETTING saved" (passive) and then you post the exact opposite, "achieving salvation." Sometimes you speak that we are saved because Jesus obeyed the Father and did the Father's will, then you contradict that and say it's ultimately our obeying God and doing God's will. Which is it? Or is it both, so that Jesus is PART Savior (the part that actually don't save anyone) and self is PART Savior (the part that actually means we go to heaven)? Or do you mean that Jesus isn't the SAVIOR at all since HE doesn't SAVE anyone, He just makes it POSSIBLE for everyone to save themselves (so that it's lying to call Jesus THE SAVIOR since He does't actually save)?


https://christianityhaven.com/showthread.php?6902-Is-Jesus-The-Savior

It is never ever a wrong time to obey God.

Of course. But does self save self - or make self saveable to a weak, limited Jesus - by doing so, so that SELF is the reason salvation actually happens?

Now do you want to tell me what happened when people didn't obey Jesus and have faith?

Well, generally, they are forgiven. NO ONE - not even St. Paul who declares himself the "Chief of sinners" "the biggest of sinners" proclaims forgiveness. The Bible declares that ALL fall short (and "all" included the world's 2 billion Christians). Now.... can a Christian willingly, repeatedly sin and in the process wreck their faith? I think so (some here would disagree) but every day I fail to do all that God commands (being sinless, being as perfect as He is, loving everyone as much as Jesus does - you know, the things God commands). I fall short (as the Bible says ALL do) and I confess my sins and I turn to Christ. I do that every day. And I believe I'm forgiven. Perhaps you don't. Perhaps you think you are the equal of the Father, of the Son, PERFECT in holiness, in sinlessness, in righteiousness, in love... that you have made disciples of all people.




- Josiah





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[YourTruthGod]

Your words are the same as the Judaisers. "We must do to be saved. We must do to remain saved."
Such talk knows no grace.

Grace is Jesus Christ.

You preach against obedience to Christ.

You should fear.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Make up your mind. Sometimes you talk about "GETTING saved" (passive) and then you post the exact opposite, "achieving salvation." Sometimes you speak that we are saved because Jesus obeyed the Father and did the Father's will, then you contradict that and say it's ultimately our obeying God and doing God's will. Which is it? Or is it both, so that Jesus is PART Savior (the part that actually don't save anyone) and self is PART Savior (the part that actually means we go to heaven)? Or do you mean that Jesus isn't the SAVIOR at all since HE doesn't SAVE anyone, He just makes it POSSIBLE for everyone to save themselves (so that it's lying to call Jesus THE SAVIOR since He does't actually save)?


https://christianityhaven.com/showthread.php?6902-Is-Jesus-The-Savior

Of course. But does self save self - or make self saveable to a weak, limited Jesus - by doing so, so that SELF is the reason salvation actually happens?

Well, generally, they are forgiven. NO ONE - not even St. Paul who declares himself the "Chief of sinners" "the biggest of sinners" proclaims forgiveness. The Bible declares that ALL fall short (and "all" included the world's 2 billion Christians). Now.... can a Christian willingly, repeatedly sin and in the process wreck their faith? I think so (some here would disagree) but every day I fail to do all that God commands (being sinless, being as perfect as He is, loving everyone as much as Jesus does - you know, the things God commands). I fall short (as the Bible says ALL do) and I confess my sins and I turn to Christ. I do that every day. And I believe I'm forgiven. Perhaps you don't. Perhaps you think you are the equal of the Father, of the Son, PERFECT in holiness, in sinlessness, in righteiousness, in love... that you have made disciples of all people.

- Josiah

Why do you have a '.' at the end of your posts? Do you have a form of OCD?

Stop going against obedience to Christ, then you will be alright if you obey.

 

[Andrew]

Why do you have a '.' at the end of your posts? Do you have a form of OCD?

Stop going against obedience to Christ, then you will be alright if you obey.

It's called a period, they usually go at the end of a sentence.