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Unless

…unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven; Matthew 5:32.

…unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven; Matthew 18:3.

…unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart; Matthew 18:35.

…unless you repent, you too will all perish; Luke 13:3.

… unless they are born of water and the Spirit; John 3:5.

Unless I wash you, you have no part with me; John 13:8.

…unless it dies; 1 Corinthians 15:36.


If

...if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; Matthew 6:14

...if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins; Matthew 6:15

...If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples;
John 8:31

...if you do them you will be blessed; John 13:17

If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love; John 15:10

...if you do what I command you are my friends; John 15:14

...if we obey His commands---we may know that we know Him; 1 John 2:3
These are all the results of Faith my brother, not the cause of Faith
 

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These are all the results of Faith my brother, not the cause of Faith

Your denial is no defense for the truth.

God does NOT give unbelievers faith.

Faith is from hearing and believing and obeying His Word.
 

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Your denial is no defense for the truth.

God does NOT give unbelievers faith.

Faith is from hearing and believing and obeying His Word.
But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners? And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 5:30-32

When Jesus calls his sheep will follow... Repentance is a result of Faith not the other way around.
Yes every single member of the Elect are repented, a non repented man is dead in sin and has no faith, he built his faith on loose rocks and the wind carried it adrift when temptation comes, hence never repented
 

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Your denial is no defense for the truth.

God does NOT give unbelievers faith.

Faith is from hearing and believing and obeying His Word.
God gives life to those who were dead in their trespasses and sins. When he makes them alive with Christ, he gives faith so that they will believe and fulfill the good works God prepared beforehand that they should do.
You really ought to read Ephesians 2:1-10 until this truth sinks in.
 

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God gives life to those who were dead in their trespasses and sins. When he makes them alive with Christ, he gives faith so that they will believe and fulfill the good works God prepared beforehand that they should do.
You really ought to read Ephesians 2:1-10 until this truth sinks in.

They have to repent and believe to get that grace.
 

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But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners? And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 5:30-32

They were sinners but didn't want to admit it. They rejected God wanting them to repent of their sins.

Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

When Jesus calls his sheep will follow...

You have to become a sheep.

The heifers can become sheep if they repent of their sins.

Hosea 14:2 Take words with you and return to the LORD. Say to him: "Forgive all our sins and receive us graciously, that we may offer the fruit of our lips.

Hosea 4:16 The Israelites are stubborn, like a stubborn heifer. How then can the LORD pasture them like lambs in a meadow?

Even dogs can become sheep.

Jesus came first for the lost sheep of Israel. The Samaritan village was not sheep.

Neither were the Centurions.

Jesus told his disciples not to go to the Samaritans or the Gentiles.

Matthew 15:26 He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs."

How did those dogs and pigs become sheep?

They believed and obey God by repenting of their sins and calling on him.

Repentance is a result of Faith not the other way around.

Either way it doesn't matter. See John 7:17.
Yes every single member of the Elect are repented, a non repented man is dead in sin and has no faith, he built his faith on loose rocks and the wind carried it adrift when temptation comes, hence never repented

Do what Jesus says and you will have it right.
 
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They have to repent and believe to get that grace.
It's not grace if there is a "you must" clause. When you add a "you must" clause, you make it obligation by law and thus nullify grace.
 

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It's not grace if there is a "you must" clause. When you add a "you must" clause, you make it obligation by law and thus nullify grace.

Then you don't understand what grace is.

Grace is that no one has to do various purification works of the law to purify themselves, just to go to the temple where God's Spirit was.

Grace is that we only have to have faith that Jesus cleans us with his shed blood on the cross, and we become the temple.
 

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Then you don't understand what grace is.

Grace is that no one has to do various purification works of the law to purify themselves, just to go to the temple where God's Spirit was.

Grace is that we only have to have faith that Jesus cleans us with his shed blood on the cross, and we become the temple.
Nope. Your definition is a creation of your mind, not biblical.
You teach salvation by the law, apart from grace. You are the Judaizer Paul calls anathema.
 

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Nope. Your definition is a creation of your mind, not biblical.
You teach salvation by the law, apart from grace. You are the Judaizer Paul calls anathema.

So you say Jesus is a Judaizer and Paul is disobedient?

You are all mixed up.
 

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Galatians 1:6-9 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 3:1-14 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”? Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
Galatians 4:4-9 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God. Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?
Galatians 5:1,4,7-8,12-15 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. You are severed from Christ,
you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? This persuasion is not from him who calls you. I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves! For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.
 

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So you say Jesus is a Judaizer and Paul is disobedient?

You are all mixed up.
Nope. Read the passages I share from Galatians. YOU are the Judaizer whom Paul, through God, wishes would be emasculated.
 

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Nope. Read the passages I share from Galatians. YOU are the Judaizer whom Paul, through God, wishes would be emasculated.

You say Jesus is a Judaizer and Paul is disobedient.

Circumcision of the flesh is a purification work of the old law.

You don't have any understanding of any scripture because you let yourself be taught by men in error.
 

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You say Jesus is a Judaizer and Paul is disobedient.

Circumcision of the flesh is a purification work of the old law.

You don't have any understanding of any scripture because you let yourself be taught by men in error.
No I don't. You're being foolish.
You are the Judaizer Paul condemns.
 

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Galatians 1:6-9 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 3:1-14 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”? Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
Galatians 4:4-9 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God. Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?
Galatians 5:1,4,7-8,12-15 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. You are severed from Christ,
you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? This persuasion is not from him who calls you. I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves! For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.

I will highlight the parts you are not recognizing as the purification works of the old law.

These are the works of the law:

The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.


We are not saved anymore by doing those works.

Jesus does all that for us now by our faith in his blood.

It doesn't mean we don't have to obey God anymore; it means we don't have to get circumcised in the flesh and do all those other purification works of the law.
 

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I will highlight the parts you are not recognizing as the purification works of the old law.

These are the works of the law:

The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.


We are not saved anymore by doing those works.

Jesus does all that for us now by our faith in his blood.

It doesn't mean we don't have to obey God anymore; it means we don't have to get circumcised in the flesh and do all those other purification works of the law.
Judaizer, you have abandoned grace.
 

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No I don't. You're being foolish.
You are the Judaizer Paul condemns.

You make Paul the biggest hypocrite who curses himself.

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
 

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I will highlight the parts you are not recognizing as the purification works of the old law.

These are the works of the law:

The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.


We are not saved anymore by doing those works.

Jesus does all that for us now by our faith in his blood.

It doesn't mean we don't have to obey God anymore; it means we don't have to get circumcised in the flesh and do all those other purification works of the law.
Jesus purifies absolute sin not just purification rights
 

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You make Paul the biggest hypocrite who curses himself.

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
Wow, extremely out of context
 
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