Jesus Christ, died for all

[Josiah]

I have provided you with verses. You reject them simply because they don't have your exact wording. You play the fool by doing so.
Matthew 1:21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”

Again, your whole premise is that if something is true of one, it cannot be true for any other; your premise demands and requires and mandates that if I posted, "Donald Trump is a man" ERGO it is a domgatic fact that there is no other man on the planet. Really? Amazing how illogical Calvinists can be.


You've admitted we have "two or three verses" that STATE that Jesus died for all, for everyone, for the whole world.... and it's very obvious you are still looking for that verse that states, "That's not true, Jesus did not die for all but for ONLY SOME."





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[MennoSota]

That is insane. You say only God can put faith in someone to believe and obey but then blames those he doesn't save.

Your complaint is answered by God.

Romans 9:14-24 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

 

[MennoSota]

Again, your whole premise is that if something is true of one, it cannot be true for any other; your premise demands and requires and mandates that if I posted, "Donald Trump is a man" ERGO it is a domgatic fact that there is no other man on the planet. Really? Amazing how illogical Calvinists can be.


You've admitted we have "two or three verses" that STATE that Jesus died for all, for everyone, for the whole world.... and it's very obvious you are still looking for that verse that states, "That's not true, Jesus did not die for all but for ONLY SOME."





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I have shared scripture as you wished. It is you who is trying to squirm out by calling upon church dogma for your crutch.
I don't live with the contradiction you live with. Feel free to hold tightly...

 

[Andrew]

I think that he and I agree in this thread and he was talking about the rest of you.

So you and MC agree on everything?

 

[YourTruthGod]

I don't. I explain them in light of all of scripture. It is you, Josiah and others who force the meaning in isolation from the rest of God's word.

What you are saying is a desperate lie because you try to change the truth by saying people are taking things out of context.

 

[MennoSota]

What you are saying is a desperate lie because you try to change the truth by saying people are taking things out of context.

Nope

 

[YourTruthGod]

So you and MC agree on everything?

We agree on some important things and disagree on some important things.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Your complaint is answered by God.

So you think you are God?

 

[YourTruthGod]

Your complaint is answered by God.

Romans 9:14-24 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

You are so ignorant about God's Truth and only know Calvin's false teachings.

Those scriptures you posted are about why God allowed the Gentiles to be saved, the Gentiles who did not do the purification works of the law.

 

[MennoSota]

So you think you are God?

LOL, do you even read scripture? My goodness. Go read what God spoke in Romans 9. He answers your weak and feeble complaint.

 

[YourTruthGod]

LOL, do you even read scripture? My goodness. Go read what God spoke in Romans 9. He answers your weak and feeble complaint.

I was showing you how ignorant you sound when you say that to me.

 

[MennoSota]

You are so ignorant about God's Truth and only know Calvin's false teachings.

Those scriptures you posted are about why God allowed the Gentiles to be saved, the Gentiles who did not do the purification works of the law.

Why God "allowed"?! Go read what it says because there is nothing about free-will and "allowing" spoken in that passage.
Be honest. You were taught in some cult and now you come here, biblically illiterate, and start complaining about people who have just shared scripture that refutes your teaching. You can't stand that your cult teaching is wrong, so you make up things and say they are from God, but God's word refutes you. Then you spin God's word and claim everyone else is interpreting scripture incorrectly...except you.
Just go read Romans 9 until God cracks you over the head and gives you a new life.

 

[MennoSota]

I was showing you how ignorant you sound when you say that to me.

Your ignorance walks before you, YTG.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Your ignorance walks before you, YTG.

All you have are insults. What else has the one in charge of false doctrines given to defend false doctrines?

 

[MennoSota]

All you have are insults. What else has the one in charge of false doctrines given to defend false doctrines?

Elijah spoke similarly to the prophets of Baal. Enjoy their company.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Why God "allowed"?! Go read what it says because there is nothing about free-will and "allowing" spoken in that passage.

The Gentiles were once enemies of God because they did NOT enter the covenant of circumcision. You don't even know what they means.

God allowed the Gentiles to get saved even though they were disobedient.

Jesus saved the Gentiles without making them get circumcised in the flesh.

Be honest. You were taught in some cult and now you come here, biblically illiterate, and start complaining about people who have just shared scripture that refutes your teaching.

I am taught by God.

You can't stand that your cult teaching is wrong, so you make up things and say they are from God, but God's word refutes you. Then you spin God's word and claim everyone else is interpreting scripture incorrectly...except you.
Just go read Romans 9 until God cracks you over the head and gives you a new life.

You only have insults. You don't have truth so the one in charge of false doctrines leads you to insult.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Elijah spoke similarly to the prophets of Baal. Enjoy their company.

Give the scripture that says God saves unbelievers.

You go against everything that God says, everything.

You understand not one scripture, not one.

 

[Andrew]

I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son. And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Romans 9

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Catholic denomination teaches that their popes are infallible.

With all truth and complete sincerity I tell you that the Catholic Church does not say that popes are infallible.

What you mistakenly claim is quite unlike what the Catholic Church teaches. In fact some popes are know to have been scoundrels. Not too many but some.

What a pope may do, but only some have done, is make a statement ex cathedra with the intention of pronouncing a matter of doctrine or morals infallibly. In that case it is the doctrine or moral teaching that is infallible. The pope who says it is still as error prone as anyone else.

I too can make an infallible statement - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth - and it is true even though I remain as error prone as anyone else.

Oh yes, I need to correct an error in your statement. It is the Catholic Church. Denominations are what Protestants create when they have an in-fight and separate into two or more denominations because they can't ge along anymore.

Look, you are the one who made the rude comment to me.

Rude? I have been very friendly and polite to you.

 

[YourTruthGod]

With all truth and complete sincerity I tell you that the Catholic Church does not say that popes are infallible.

What you mistakenly claim is quite unlike what the Catholic Church teaches. In fact some popes are know to have been scoundrels. Not too many but some.

What a pope may do, but only some have done, is make a statement ex cathedra with the intention of pronouncing a matter of doctrine or morals infallibly. In that case it is the doctrine or moral teaching that is infallible. The pope who says it is still as error prone as anyone else.

I too can make an infallible statement - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth - and it is true even though I remain as error prone as anyone else.

Oh yes, I need to correct an error in your statement. It is the Catholic Church. Denominations are what Protestants create when they have an in-fight and separate into two or more denominations because they can't ge along anymore.



Rude? I have been very friendly and polite to you.

Your denial means nothing towards the truth.