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See 1 Thessalonians 1:3, We continually remember before our God and Father YOUR WORK PRODUCED FAITH, your labor prompted by love, and your endurance inspired by hope in our Lord Jesus Christ.


Did you read that?

Do you really want to keep going against God and say He regenerated you first with the Holy Spirit TO HAVE FAITH?

Or are you going to believe the truth and believe the truth that God regenerates us with the Holy Spirit because we have faith?
For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
1 Thessalonians 1:5
 

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For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
1 Thessalonians 1:5

That further proves what I said.

There is power in the words of God!

Believe and obey what He says.
 

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That further proves what I said.

There is power in the words of God!

Believe and obey what He says.

Faith is given to you as a gift from God, reading words is nothing without the Power of the Holy Spirit guiding your understanding, like I said Richard Dawkins reads the Bible and is persuaded in the opposite direction, he lacks understanding as I once did.
 

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Faith is given to you as a gift from God, reading words is nothing without the Power of the Holy Spirit guiding your understanding, like I said Richard Dawkins reads the Bible and is persuaded in the opposite direction, he lacks understanding as I once did.

Stop bringing up that man. What does he have to do with God?

A person has to WANT to be saved.

God's words are powerful and what He says will happen will happen!

You have to have faith and you have to repent of your sins, or you will not enter you will perish.
 

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Stop bringing up that man. What does he have to do with God?

A person has to WANT to be saved.

God's words are powerful and what He says will happen will happen!

You have to have faith and you have to repent of your sins, or you will not enter you will perish.
I bring up that man as a poster boy for Atheism because I was one, he is just an example, he doesn't realize how miserable he is, like you said "a person has to want to be saved", I wanted to be saved but I couldn't believe enough, I lacked Faith, God gave me that Faith, now I follow Him and have Faith
 

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I bring up that man as a poster boy for Atheism because I was one, he is just an example, he doesn't realize how miserable he is, like you said "a person has to want to be saved", I wanted to be saved but I couldn't believe enough, I lacked Faith, God gave me that Faith, now I follow Him and have Faith

You have to repent of your sins and believe that Jesus' blood washes away those sins.

Did you do that or not?
 

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You don't want to?

Take some time and read the sorts of stuff I have responded to from posts by MennoSota and others - crazy claims and really odd theological claims - and then think though your invitation to debate. I've been in CH a fairly long time and you may notice that I've written many posts so it is, in my opinion, very likely that almost anything that you raise in a debate has been raised by others and answered by me before. My experience here is that topics go in circles and the circles go in cycles. So unless there's something new under the sun that you offer up as subject matter for debate then I'd be repeating myself and you probably would too since it is likely in my opinion that you've debated various theological points before in other places.

I do admit that my recent slew of posts in response to MennoSota were fun to write and gave me a number of good chuckles as I wrote them so having a little theological fist fight can be fun but honestly ... do you want one?

Rest assured that if you write something that gets my attention because it has merit or because it is interesting then I will respond and if what you write is well researched and civil it will be even more likely to attract a civil reply from me. I'd rather maintain friendly and polite relations than get into theological fist fights. The fights can be amusing but they are in the end not very productive.

If you check through the many posts on this site and the many threads that I have started or that I have participated in you will likely see a lot of fighting and only a little civil discourse. Our fellow CH members have had periods of fight fests and only a few periods of civil theological discussion. It seems to be the way of Christian discussion forums to spend way more time than is good on debates about Catholic this and Catholic that or about Tongues and Cession or about Calvinist vs Arminianism. It gets a little boring eventually.

So, good YourTruthGod let us chat and have an occasional civil discussion and maybe a fight every now and then and I think we'll get along well. And we may even learn something.
 

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Take some time and read the sorts of stuff I have responded to from posts by MennoSota and others - crazy claims and really odd theological claims - and then think though your invitation to debate. I've been in CH a fairly long time and you may notice that I've written many posts so it is, in my opinion, very likely that almost anything that you raise in a debate has been raised by others and answered by me before. My experience here is that topics go in circles and the circles go in cycles. So unless there's something new under the sun that you offer up as subject matter for debate then I'd be repeating myself and you probably would too since it is likely in my opinion that you've debated various theological points before in other places.

I do admit that my recent slew of posts in response to MennoSota were fun to write and gave me a number of good chuckles as I wrote them so having a little theological fist fight can be fun but honestly ... do you want one?

Rest assured that if you write something that gets my attention because it has merit or because it is interesting then I will respond and if what you write is well researched and civil it will be even more likely to attract a civil reply from me. I'd rather maintain friendly and polite relations than get into theological fist fights. The fights can be amusing but they are in the end not very productive.

If you check through the many posts on this site and the many threads that I have started or that I have participated in you will likely see a lot of fighting and only a little civil discourse. Our fellow CH members have had periods of fight fests and only a few periods of civil theological discussion. It seems to be the way of Christian discussion forums to spend way more time than is good on debates about Catholic this and Catholic that or about Tongues and Cession or about Calvinist vs Arminianism. It gets a little boring eventually.

So, good YourTruthGod let us chat and have an occasional civil discussion and maybe a fight every now and then and I think we'll get along well. And we may even learn something.

Well, I rarely read all the posts every member makes to others, especially the long posts. I can't be expected to do such things, or I would never have time to do much anything else. As for your discussions with others, it is between you and them and I would like to discuss also.

I never tire of speaking God's Truth so don't know why you speak against it. I don't know how you expect others to join this site and you don't feel like discussing with the new people. I know I speak of different things and I matter too.
 

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Then why did you go against me?
You are being delusional, we are discussing attributes of Faith, Faith is a gift from God, you agreed for the record that Faith is something not given from God, we disagreed it's not the end of the world
 

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You are being delusional, we are discussing attributes of Faith, Faith is a gift from God, you agreed for the record that Faith is something not given from God, we disagreed it's not the end of the world

Don't call me delusional. You just proved that you are the delusional one.

You better quote me for that record you are talking about.

Stop treating other people's words carelessly.

Prove I said God didn't have anything to do with our faith.

HIS WORDS BELIEVED AND OBEYED GIVE FAITH.

If you believe Him and do what He says He will make sure it happens!
 

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You are being delusional, we are discussing attributes of Faith, Faith is a gift from God, you agreed for the record that Faith is something not given from God, we disagreed it's not the end of the world

Just listen to your flippant attitude about GOD.
 

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Don't call me delusional. You just proved that you are the delusional one.

You better quote me for that record you are talking about.

Stop treating other people's words carelessly.

Prove I said God didn't have anything to do with our faith.

HIS WORDS BELIEVED AND OBEYED GIVE FAITH.

If you believe Him and do what He says He will make sure it happens!
Post 50, you basically defend that we muster up our own faith without God giving it to us as a gift
 

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Post 50, you basically defend that we muster up our own faith without God giving it to us as a gift

God's words are TRUE and POWERFUL. If God says IF YOU DO THIS AND THAT THEN HE WILL SAVE YOU, then you believe Him and do what He says---then YOU WILL get faith and you have obeyed and you will get saved.

Stop making up things and demeaning what I say.
 

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God's words are TRUE and POWERFUL. If God says IF YOU DO THIS AND THAT THEN HE WILL SAVE YOU, then you believe Him and do what He says---then YOU WILL get faith and you have obeyed and you will get saved.

Stop making up things and demeaning what I say.
So before you have faith you must prove your obedience? When can God approve of your obedience to allow you to have faith? A week, a month?
 

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God's words are TRUE and POWERFUL. If God says IF YOU DO THIS AND THAT THEN HE WILL SAVE YOU, then you believe Him and do what He says---then YOU WILL get faith and you have obeyed and you will get saved.

Stop making up things and demeaning what I say.

My curiosity is aroused now. What denomination, if any, teaches what you have just outlined?
 

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So before you have faith you must prove your obedience? When can God approve of your obedience to allow you to have faith? A week, a month?

God who knows everyone's heart and mind will save you when He accepts you.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “the Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”

Acts 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
 

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Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds.

Acts 20:21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.
 

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My curiosity is aroused now. What denomination, if any, teaches what you have just outlined?

I belong to the body of Christ.

Unless

…unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven; Matthew 5:32.

…unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven; Matthew 18:3.

…unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart; Matthew 18:35.

…unless you repent, you too will all perish; Luke 13:3.

… unless they are born of water and the Spirit; John 3:5.

Unless I wash you, you have no part with me; John 13:8.

…unless it dies; 1 Corinthians 15:36.


If

...if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; Matthew 6:14

...if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins; Matthew 6:15

...If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples;
John 8:31

...if you do them you will be blessed; John 13:17

If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love; John 15:10

...if you do what I command you are my friends; John 15:14

...if we obey His commands---we may know that we know Him; 1 John 2:3
 
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