All About Faith

[Josiah]

That scripture does NOT say faith is a free gift.

Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace you have been saved through faith and this is not your own doing but it is the free gift of God." Grammatically, the "this" refers back to "by grace you have been saved through faith."

1 Corinthians 12:3 ".... no one is capable of even saying "Jesus is Lord" (with meaning) unless the Holy Spirit so enables."


NO ONE IS CAPABLE of so much as chanting the words (and meaning them).... NO ONE. Certainly not a dead, unregenerate, atheistic enemy of God void of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit comes.... and gives faith.... it's a free gift.


Yes, God MAY use means to do this, "the means of grace" as these are called in Christian theology (and the proclaimation of the Gospel is one of these) but these are not tools for the dead, unregenerate, atheistic enemy of God to STEAL faith, nope, these are means the Holy Spirit uses to GIVE faith.





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[YourTruthGod]

Because when Jesus came on the scene the law of obedience was directed via the Holy Spirit, without it the laws are of "no effect", the Spirit guides your obedience for without it you are boastful and arrogant and not humbling to the Lord.
You can be the Pope for all I care but you can't convince anyone of what only God knows of your deeds, don't forget that we entertain angels in the sense that your right hand should not know what the left hand is doing. Be of good cheer and hold dear to your faith for God will never forsake you

Jesus came and taught the new law. No one gets in that covenant that saves unless they do what Jesus says.

 

[Andrew]

Jesus came and taught the new law. No one gets in that covenant that saves unless they do what Jesus says.

Which is to love others and love God, right?

 

[YourTruthGod]

Which is to love others and love God, right?

You can't do that if you don't do everything that Jesus says.

You can't love God and others if you murder them, steal from them, bear false witness against them, commit adultery with their wives, and lust after them in your heart.

 

[Andrew]

YTG I believe Josiah answers one of your questions in post 42

 

[YourTruthGod]

YTG I believe Josiah answers one of your questions in post 42

My post is in 42 where I reply to one of your posts.

 

[Andrew]

My post is in 42 where I reply to one of your posts.

Sorry must have been a glitch, that's not the same post I saw earlier, oh well, if I come across it again I'll let you know

 

[YourTruthGod]

Sorry must have been a glitch, that's not the same post I saw earlier, oh well, if I come across it again I'll let you know

Okay, it is good to keep discussing.

 

[Andrew]

Okay, it is good to keep discussing.

So, for the record, you believe that Faith is something we muster up on our own and God has no intervention in our lives until after we prove ourselves obedient to his word?

 

[YourTruthGod]

So, for the record, you believe that Faith is something we muster up on our own and God has no intervention in our lives until after we prove ourselves obedient to his word?

It is the reading of His written Word. How do you get it is without Him if it is His words?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Catholics do things God says not to do. We have to obey God.

Protestants do things that God says not to do so they don't obey God. Really isn't it true that everyone does things that God says not to do and hence does not obey God?

 

[YourTruthGod]

Protestants do things that God says not to do so they don't obey God. Really isn't it true that everyone does things that God says not to do and hence does not obey God?

All the denominations that preach falseness should stop doing so.

Don't you agree?

False doctrines need to stop being taught.

 

[MoreCoffee]

All the denominations that preach falseness should stop doing so.

Don't you agree?

False doctrines need to stop being taught.

It is not possible for human beings to stop other human beings from being wrong and spreading their wrongness. That is why Protestantism exists - because some human beings who were wrong got all worked up and splt from the Catholic Church and so on. Now we have Protestants of many different denominations wanting their specific doctrine to be treated as true and wanting to suppress opposing views. Cessationists combating Charismatics and Pentecostals, Calvinists combating Armenians. Baptists combating paedobaptists, and there are many more such pairings. And all of them combat what they say Catholics teach and when they discover what Orthodox folk teach then they want to fight against that too. So to answer your question, I do not agree if I did I'd want to return to the wars and violence and wickedness of the beginning of the Protestantism. No thanks I say to that. But I do agree that the teachers of false doctrines, the schismatics, the sectarians, the heretics ought to repent and thus stop preaching the false doctrines that the preach now. That would be a good thing. So when are you and your fellow Protestants going to stop being schismatics and sectarians and purveyors of false doctrines?

 

[YourTruthGod]

It is not possible for human beings to stop other human beings from being wrong and spreading their wrongness. That is why Protestantism exists - because some human beings who were wrong got all worked up and splt from the Catholic Church and so on.

Where do you get that we can't get others to stop believing in false doctrines? We are even told to command others not to preach false doctrines.

1 Timothy 1:3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer

Now we have Protestants of many different denominations wanting their specific doctrine to be treated as true and wanting to suppress opposing views. Cessationists combating Charismatics and Pentecostals, Calvinists combating Armenians. Baptists combating paedobaptists, and there are many more such pairings. And all of them combat what they say Catholics teach and when they discover what Orthodox folk teach then they want to fight against that too. So to answer your question, I do not agree if I did I'd want to return to the wars and violence and wickedness of the beginning of the Protestantism.

You have to be kidding. The Catholics always went against people with different beliefs! Roman Catholics are even split because of the second vatican. That's were you get people such as myself who was a Traditional Roman Catholic as opposed to just a Roman Catholic.

No thanks I say to that. But I do agree that the teachers of false doctrines, the schismatics, the sectarians, the heretics ought to repent and thus stop preaching the false doctrines that the preach now. That would be a good thing. So when are you and your fellow Protestants going to stop being schismatics and sectarians and purveyors of false doctrines?

You just contradicted yourself; but you knew that, right?

 

[Lamb]

It is the reading of His written Word. How do you get it is without Him if it is His words?

Millions of people didn't have books before the printing press and there are still millions who can't read. You should rethink your theology.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Where do you get that we can't get others to stop believing in false doctrines? We are even told to command others not to preach false doctrines.

1 Timothy 1:3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer



You have to be kidding. The Catholics always went against people with different beliefs! Roman Catholics are even split because of the second vatican. That's were you get people such as myself who was a Traditional Roman Catholic as opposed to just a Roman Catholic.



You just contradicted yourself; but you knew that, right?

I command you not to teach false doctrines anymore, as saint Paul says. So stop it and repent, return to the one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic Church.

 

[MennoSota]

I command you not to teach false doctrines anymore, as saint Paul says. So stop it and repent, return to the one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic Church.

The Baptist Church.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Baptist Church.

That's just a little schismatic sect.

 

[Albion]

In the far right corner we have one contender and in the far left corner we have another contender or two, all trying to pose as the Christian center or norm. :lick:











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[MennoSota]

That's just a little schismatic sect.

Nope. Baptists were there on Pentacost. They were there at the Jordan river.
Rome simply attempts to usurp.