Do all have faith? If not, are all saved? If the Bible is correct and Jesus died for all....
all the elect
and the Bible is correct that not all have faith... and the Bible is correct that BOTH Christ's work AND ALSO faith (both) are necessary for justification,
both works of God
then what is the reason some aren't saved? Is it the lack of Christ for us or the lack of personal faith?
It is because God has not chosen to make them alive with Christ and thus not give them faith.
Not that I give a rip for theology based on humans asking questions and others "answering them."
Nor do I, but you ignore God's Sovereign right to choose.
Agreed, as I have so often said and as the Bible so clearly says.
Now, where is the list of clear Scriptures that STATE that Jesus did NOT die for all (all those many, many Scriptures are wrong) but ONLY (that's the ESSENTIAL word required for this horrible invention) but ONLY for some?
There is no need to answer your demand. Suffice it to say that God tells us that Jesus died for all whom the Father has given him. When speaking of salvation, the use of the English word "all" is always referring to the elect. The context points this out. You simply reject God's Sovereign right to choose. That's on you for your failure to understand such a basic truth.
No, that's not what I said. What I said is the card must be accepted/trusted/relied/used for it to benefit the individual.
Human effort must take place. Syncretism
Pistos - faith - to rely, to trust, to apply. Faith is not moot, not irrelevant, not useless.
Of course it's not. It is a gift of God that God establishes in his adopted children.
Justification is NOT ONLY a matter of Jesus's work (which HE did perfectly and completely, 100%). It's NOT Sola Gratia - Solus Christus (that's heresy), it's Sola Gratia - Solus Christus - Sola Fide.
Justification is Jesus propitiation making us right in the presence of God. You waste a lot of space on jargon. No place in scripture are the Sola's used, but justification is used. Stick with scripture and don't hide behind Lutheran dogma.
Scripture, the Council of Orange, 1500 years of every Christian on the planet... accepts what the Bible so often says: Christ died for all. Not not have faith. Not all are saved. Why, because the Bible is wrong about Jesus dying for everyone? No, because the Bible is right that not all have faith.
Do you take church tradition over scripture, Josiah? You often lean on it.
'The facts are clear: You can't quote me saying such silliness because we all know I never said it.
The facts are clear. Even in your post here you preach synctretism.
That's SO absurd, so obviously wrong (and EVERYONE KNOWS IT) that I won't waste my time giving it the time of day. And we all know, IF I had said such a silly, stupid thing, you'd quote me saying it. But you know I did not. No, I won't "own" some heretical, stupid, silly thing EVERYONE HERE (including you ) knows I never said and don't believe.
synctretism is synctretism and you teach it.
Faith - BY DEFINITION - does embrace, accept, trust, rely, apply the work of Christ. But not all have faith.
Of course not all have faith. Not all have been made alive with Christ
I never said all have faith -
therefore not all have been purchased.
that's a heresy of some Calvinists -
Nothing to do with Calvin blah, blah, blah...
I said (over and over and over and over - do you EVER read a word people post????) that NOT, N.O.T., NOT all have faith.
Correct
Thus, not all benefit from the work of Christ.
Thus not all have been purchased. Josiah, why would Jesus waste his shed blood?
You CLAIM you don't delete faith.... but then why do you omit it from your questions and points?
I don't omit it. I state that faith is a gift given after God has chosen to make people Alice with Christ. Faith is not the cause if salvation, it is the effect of salvation.
No. God gives it to His elect.
No. Only the elect are justified.
OR is it a matter that faith is irrelevant and the ONLY thing that matters is whether one is among the unknowable, unnamed FEW for whom Jesus died (making SO many Scriptures flat out wrong)?
Faith is relevant to those whom God chooses to save. It is impossible for those who are dead in their trespasses and sins.
By deleting faith, you assume that if one isn't saved, it's because Christ didn't die for them
I do not delete faith for the elect.
(and Scripture, the Council of Orange, 1500 years of every Christian are wrong).
blah, blah, blah orange, yellow, blue
Not by anything you have shown.
You deleting faith from the formula is wrong.
I don't delete faith. The fact that you cannot see that is quite telling in this conversation.
Your rejection of the Council of Orange is wrong.
I don't reject a council. I just don't let its declaration be greater than scripture. You keep going to tradition as an argument. Tradition is beneath scripture all the time.
Your repudiation of Sola Gratia - Solus Christus - Sola Fide is wrong.
I don't repudiate God's word. How about you stick with God on this issue.
This horrible dogma invented by these few latter-day radical Calvinists is wrong. And it's a horrible thing.
You have spewed church dogma for much of your post, ignoring scripture. Perhaps it's your dogma that is horrible. I just stick with scripture, Josiah. I am not tied by the umbilical cord like you are to your church dogmas.
Read the following. And believe.
1 John 2:2
John 3:14-16
John 3:36
John 4:42
John 1:9
Acts 2:21
Romans 5: 1-2
2 Corinthians 5:14-15
1 Timothy 2:3-4
1 Timothy 4:10
2 Peter 3:9
1 John 4:4:14
Ephesians 2:8-9
Romans 3:28
Romans 9:30
Galatians 2:16
Philippians 3:9
Romans 3:22
Romans 3:26
Galatians 3:22
Galatians 3:24
I have and I do. I also add the passages around verses and quote the passages. I'm not lazy like you are.
See if you can be the first radical Calvinist to find a verse that states Christ died for ONLY a few.... ONLY some.... "ONLY" being the dogma and thus the essential word.... not "all" as the Bible says.
There is no need. Jesus died for all whom the Father gave him. You are the one making stuff up, not me.
Be the first one EVER to quote the verse that states all the many Scriptures above are wrong and Jesus died for ONLY some.
Scripture speaks of the elect, the chosen, and Christ died for them all. You demand that the all is universal, but you cannot make that claim stick. Jesus clearly didn't purchase all or he would take all that he has purchased. Those He did purchase, he takes home to be with him. This is right in scripture. John 6, 10 and 17 confirm this.
Don 't just ask false questions founded on false premises, but quote the verse.
Shall I send you a Bible app of the entire scripture so you can read it and have your heart changed on the matter? As it is, you preach Christ's blood wasted.
Be the first EVER to quote the verse that proves all the above Scriptures are wrong and for 1500 years every Christian was wrong and for the past 500 years, every non-Calvinist (and indeed most Calvinists) are wrong.
John 10:11,15 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
There you go. Jesus didn't lay his life down for the goats or for those outside His fold.
Are you willing to concede? I did what you demanded.
