Pope's Visit to the USA

[Ruth]

I do and I also know end time prophecy and I feel we are in that and I also dont see America in the Tribulation so that tells me we havve to go down for some of these battles to be fought without a mention of us

I think it is negative thinking to think it is end times. If you think that you will act like it's the end of time and that is not healthy. People have been saying it's end times since I was born over 50 years ago and it hasn't happened.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I think it is negative thinking to think it is end times. If you think that you will act like it's the end of time and that is not healthy. People have been saying it's end times since I was born over 50 years ago and it hasn't happened.

Most of the folk who say that we are in the last days now and claim to expect some big end-time action soon do not really act as if the end is nigh; you don't see them selling their earthly goods and moving to the hills to escape the violence and you do not see them giving to the poor and doing good with the excess money they have because they really do not expect God to do anything soon and they don't expect their actions in this life to have any significant impact on their heavenly destiny.

 

[Lamb]

I didn't listen to anything the pope had to say (been busy), so could someone tell me if he preached Christ crucified for the forgiveness of sins?

 

[MoreCoffee]

I didn't listen to anything the pope had to say (been busy), so could someone tell me if he preached Christ crucified for the forgiveness of sins?

He did.

 

[Josiah]

I didn't listen to anything the pope had to say (been busy), so could someone tell me if he preached Christ crucified for the forgiveness of sins?

Not that I read or heard.

 

[tango]

First and foremost this country needs to put God back in the lives of everyone as it was when I went to school, without a moral compass to guide us nothing will change nor do I expect it to and I think will get worse as I am sure we are in the last days and Americe is being judged and found wanting because of the very issuesyou have raised.

It's not something that "the country" can do, Jesus told his disciples to go and make more disciples. He never told countries to do anything.

I don't know when you went to school but when I was at school God certainly wasn't in the lives of everyone. Most of us endured a "daily act of worship" despite not actually worshipping anyone or anything. In my schooldays the object of greatest adulation was probably Lisa Dominique, regardless of the words to the songs we were expected to sing.

If people accept Christ they change from the inside - the best the law of the land can do is impose external change which can achieve nothing more admirable than a country filled with whitewashed tombs.

 

[MarkFL]

First and foremost this country needs to put God back in the lives of everyone as it was when I went to school, without a moral compass to guide us nothing will change nor do I expect it to and I think will get worse as I am sure we are in the last days and Americe is being judged and found wanting because of the very issuesyou have raised.

I think the LAST thing I want our government doing is favoring one particular religion (or any religion for that matter) and imposing it on the population as a whole. Religion, or lack thereof, should be a private choice made by the individual, not something mandated by the state.

 

[Ruth]

What a wimp.

What a disappointment.

In a nation that murders 1.2 MILLION innocent babies every year in abortion - with some of the most radical abortion laws in the world, that aborts far more babies than any other "Christian" land - NOTHING. Some 140 babies aborted during his speech - NOTHING.

There were MANY congressmen in that hall who are FIGHTING for those babies, TRYING to reverse this horrific sin of our land - and this Pope threw them under the bus.

Euthanasia is being sneaked into place across our land - and this Pope said NOTHING. NOTHING! He threw these suffering people under the bus.

GUTLESS.

WIMP.


One of the few things non-Catholics use to ADMIRE about the Catholic Church was its moral guts..... it's willingness to boldly stand up to the moral issues of the day.... its willingness to be politically INCORRECT..... whether we totally agreed or not, we gave the RCC a lot of credit for being bold, consistent, clear. This Pope represents the new RCC: gutless, without any sense of moral compass.

A huge disappointment.




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How dare you talk about my pope that way!!

 

[Ruth]

I think the LAST thing I want our government doing is favoring one particular religion (or any religion for that matter) and imposing it on the population as a whole. Religion, or lack thereof, should be a private choice made by the individual, not something mandated by the state.

I sure agree Mark!!

 

[MoreCoffee]

Francis made a good impression and spoke prophetically to power.

 

[psalms 91]

I think the LAST thing I want our government doing is favoring one particular religion (or any religion for that matter) and imposing it on the population as a whole. Religion, or lack thereof, should be a private choice made by the individual, not something mandated by the state.

To the best of my knowledge it never was mandated

 

[visionary]

It is not what he says and does in public that is important as what he says and does in private. There must have been some serious deals going on behind the scenes for him to make this trip. To come for these nice nice speeches, is weak.

 

[tango]

Francis made a good impression and spoke prophetically to power.

To save reading his entire speech, could you summarise what he said that you considered to be prophetic?

 

[MoreCoffee]

To save reading his entire speech, could you summarise what he said that you considered to be prophetic?

No. It's not a long speech.

 

[tango]

No. It's not a long speech.

Was there anything in particular in his speech that you considered to be prophetic?

 

[MarkFL]

To the best of my knowledge it never was mandated

How then do you suggest that God be "put back in everyone's lives?" To me this sounds like a coercive and forcible thing. I mean we already have God on our money where it doesn't belong, added to the pledge of allegiance where it has no business being (and was added only a few years before I was born) and even in our science classrooms as a magical explanation for the diversity of life where it certainly has no place. It seems to me the state is already illegally forcing God on us in direct violation of the concept of separation of church and state. I took your statement that you want even more of this intrusion on personal liberty.

 

[psalms 91]

Prayer in schools, prayer in public places, I can think of many things and as for wanting to take God out of everything, we will see the results of that very soon and already ahve to some extent. We as a nation have turned our backs on God and He will repay believe me although I am sure that any calamity you will just say it was science so I dont see any reason to debate this at all. I know what I believe and you know what you believe and we will not change each others minds

 

[tango]

Prayer in schools, prayer in public places, I can think of many things and as for wanting to take God out of everything, we will see the results of that very soon and already ahve to some extent. We as a nation have turned our backs on God and He will repay believe me although I am sure that any calamity you will just say it was science so I dont see any reason to debate this at all. I know what I believe and you know what you believe and we will not change each others minds

Why do you want the government to tell people when and how to pray? If the government of today imposes legislation to mandate Christian prayer what will stop the government of tomorrow mandating prayers to some other deity? The thought of government telling me I have to pray is terrifying.

God gives us the freedom to worship him or not worship him. What gives man the right to tell another man they must worship? What gives man the right to require another to pray?

 

[psalms 91]

Why do you want the government to tell people when and how to pray? If the government of today imposes legislation to mandate Christian prayer what will stop the government of tomorrow mandating prayers to some other deity? The thought of government telling me I have to pray is terrifying.

God gives us the freedom to worship him or not worship him. What gives man the right to tell another man they must worship? What gives man the right to require another to pray?

The government does not force anyone to pray however they were forced to take it out of schools, public meetings and there are always people looking to sue if anyone dares do it so the problem wasnt with government forcing anyone to pray but rather forcing people not in public. Big difference

 

[tango]

The government does not force anyone to pray however they were forced to take it out of schools, public meetings and there are always people looking to sue if anyone dares do it so the problem wasnt with government forcing anyone to pray but rather forcing people not in public. Big difference

There is a big difference - allowing public prayer (to whatever deity the person praying wishes to petition) is a good thing, mandating it is another.

The problem with prayers in schools is the simple question of the faith of the children in school. I wouldn't want any child of mine expected to sit through an Islamic or Hindu service, and on that basis it's not hard to see why Islamic or Hindu parents wouldn't want their children expected to sit through a Christian service.