Should Australia back the Russians & not the USA in Syria?

[Biblicist]

Wow . . . how the world has changed over the past few decades. To be honest, I sort of miss being able to call the Russkies the "bad-boys" where we were supposed to be a part of the "good-guys"; now we have the new Russian Federation standing up as about the only rational world power where both NATO and the USA (and poor ol' Australia who does what it's told) seem to be lost to the whims of the military-industrial complex.

As the Russians seem to have the only viable battle-plan for achieving a degree of peace in Syria (if it's at all possible), should Australia seek permission from the Syrian government to deploy its Air Force alongside the Russians and the Syrians?

 

[Ruth]

I don't understand why you put down the USA when they are trying to get rid of ISIS and then when Russia does they are the good guys. I'm sick of the USA bashing here!!!!:cheer2:Yay USA!!!!!

 

[psalms 91]

Oh what deception that is being woven by the Russians

 

[Biblicist]

Oh what deception that is being woven by the Russians

The deception that you speak of began with the phoney threat of the Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction which is something that I fell for hook, line and sinker; as the saying goes, once bitten, twice shy. I recall listening to the US head of the investigation committee who said that there was absolutely no evidence of any WMD's in Iraq; as with many others, I foolishly thought that he was merely a traitor who had a hidden agenda to push, now I know that he was a man of integrity who would not bow down to the wickedness of the powers that be. How I relished watching the live CNN broadcasts of the Cruise missiles smashing into Iraqi military installations and homes; undoubtely, when I stand before the Lord I will be held accountable for this.

As a Christian I am ashamed of my views in those early days, where my complicity with this lie makes me almost as guilty as those who imposed this deception on us. As we are the Children of God, where our Kingdom is in heavenly places and not here on earth, we each need to try and avoid placing our national feelings above what we know to be the truth.

 

[psalms 91]

The deception that you speak of began with the phoney threat of the Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction which is something that I fell for hook, line and sinker; as the saying goes, once bitten, twice shy. I recall listening to the US head of the investigation committee who said that there was absolutely no evidence of any WMD's in Iraq; as with many others, I foolishly thought that he was merely a traitor who had a hidden agenda to push, now I know that he was a man of integrity who would not bow down to the wickedness of the powers that be. How I relished watching the live CNN broadcasts of the Cruise missiles smashing into Iraqi military installations and homes; undoubtely, when I stand before the Lord I will be held accountable for this.

As a Christian I am ashamed of my views in those early days, where my complicity with this lie makes me almost as guilty as those who imposed this deception on us. As we are the Children of God, where our Kingdom is in heavenly places and not here on earth, we each need to try and avoid placing our national feelings above what we know to be the truth.

And that affects the current situation how? The simple fact is that if we do nothing which seems likely then the whole world including your country will deal with ISIS in their lands. ISIS is a very real threat as is Assad. Russia is there simply to challange us and make the situation even worse. Whe and I say when a russian plane is shot down or one of ours then we will see what is really going on

 

[Biblicist]

And that affects the current situation how? The simple fact is that if we do nothing which seems likely then the whole world including your country will deal with ISIS in their lands. ISIS is a very real threat as is Assad. Russia is there simply to challange us and make the situation even worse. Whe and I say when a russian plane is shot down or one of ours then we will see what is really going on

That's a really good question!

As the various failed policies of the US (along with NATO) have probably set the future for the Middle East in concrete, where it is heading straight for Armageddon, then there is probably little that even the Russian Federation with its well chosen and appropriate support of the Syrian government can even do. As the US has created ISIL with its failed foreign policies and that the US has both trained and armed ISIL forces, then I suspect that this horrid creature will remain until the Lord returns and my concern is that the US will be unable to fully acknowledge its complicity with the formation of ISIL, which means that they could allow ISIL to grow.

As an aside, thankfully the people of Crimea chose to return to the Russian Federation which has prevented the new neo-nazi government of Ukraine from handing over the Russian Naval Base to NATO forces, this could have very easily forced Russia to undertake a first strike against NATO forces as they could never permit NATO forces to have a strong base right under their belly.

As the complexity of ISIL cannot be defeated by air power alone, will we see the introduction of Russian Federation ground forces which the various Jewish interests in the USA might deem to be a threat to Israel; if this were to be the case, then the US could undoubtedly pressure the EU to intervene where the US might continue to up the stakes by trying to play the EU against the Russian Federation, which is currently being demonstrated by the various US Cavalry Units that have been parading up and down the border between the EU and Russia.

I was staggared a few days back when I saw the picture of the Chinese aircraft carrier in a Syrian port, which was my motivation to believe that China is becoming (maybe unwittingly) involved in something that it knows little about; who would have thought even a mere few years back that a Chinese aircraft carrier would be located in a Mediteranean port - that's pretty unsettling in my book! If the US keeps its head in the sand and continues on with its eccentric policies, could we also see Chinese ground forces moving into the Middle East, which would definitely lead us headlong straight into Armageddon?

 

[psalms 91]

Wow you should be a publiscist for the Russians, and quit coming against my country if you please. You wish to believe that they are making nice and have a well balanced policy then live in your fairy tale land but quit bashing the US. I for one am tired of it and I know at least a couple others are as well.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Wow . . . how the world has changed over the past few decades. To be honest, I sort of miss being able to call the Russkies the "bad-boys" where we were supposed to be a part of the "good-guys"; now we have the new Russian Federation standing up as about the only rational world power where both NATO and the USA (and poor ol' Australia who does what it's told) seem to be lost to the whims of the military-industrial complex.

As the Russians seem to have the only viable battle-plan for achieving a degree of peace in Syria (if it's at all possible), should Australia seek permission from the Syrian government to deploy its Air Force alongside the Russians and the Syrians?

The "news" is propaganda; one can see that when watching Russian "news" and comparing it to western "news" and comparing both to al jazeera "news". We're all being fed selective visuals and given a narrative that fits the interests of those providing the reportage so we ought not accept at face value what any one "news" source has to say. There is a lot of self-interest in what we're told.

 

[Alithis]

I don't understand why you put down the USA when they are trying to get rid of ISIS and then when Russia does they are the good guys. I'm sick of the USA bashing here!!!!:cheer2:Yay USA!!!!!

it appears most countries can see that the syrian civil war was seeded by the usa .. they held the show that they are always working to "further democracy' and bring down regimes .. and in so doing they indirectly funded a civil war and have aided in an explosion of islam into europe which will have the onflow effect of crumbling those democracies into chaos and war .. not only have they failed to further democracy they have aided its greatest demise ..
and in my opinion this is no accident . in the end times a law is made encouraging the beheading of any one who will not submit the the system .. this cannot come about under a christian judeo law structure .. but is fully possible under an islamic law structure . thus for it to come about the christian judeo law will be replaced .

the muslims have a saying "where we build ( a mosque) there ,we will rule . it is of interest then that he wealth arab nations .. who are offering to take in ZERO refugees .. have oh so generously offered to fund the building of hundreds of mosques through out europe in so called gratitude for the like of germany taking in refugees .. So that the refugees have some where to "worship" . the big picture is .. the turning away from the one true living God to follow a lie .
western nations have already begun falling in droves into the great deception ..they thought they could have and enjoy all manner of sin and reject the one true living God and all would be wel.. but there are only two sides and there is no vacuum of neutrality .. when you push out one ..you draw in the other .. and you get what you sowed and the fruit will be most bitter .

having said all that ..russia plays the same game and desires nothing more then its lust for Power and greed and itself will be used by the devil to wrought much sorrow upon the earth as i the past so again.

The bible also states the nile will dry up and an army of 2 million will march over it .... the details of that i have no idea of .. but research the nile river situation through ethiopia and egypt .. its falling by literal meters every year now .. threatening the most vast and severe famines the continent has ever seen . as for australia it will be .partially burned by nukes for its wickedness and new zealand will be struck into the worst depression and poverty it has ever known and will be raised with earthquakes and floods and blight of crops with droughts through the sumers and severity of ice storms in the winters .unemployment will be rife and violence take its streets .. for such is the wickedness it has delighted itself so it will eat the fruits of its labors .

wheat will become as gold such will its shortage be over the whole earth -see if it not so in the scriptures

 

[Alithis]

what astounds me every time such topics arise is the bizarre loyalty "christians " - who are a new creations in christ and by the spirit of adoption are children of the most High God and "citizens of heaven (Philippians 3:20 ).. display toward a worldly nation (as every nation is ) .. they seem to forget that the lord is coming back and he will over throw ALL the nations of the earth and destroy them ,he will rule from Jerusalem ( not washington) with a rod of iron .

it may come as a shock to too many that in the end ..you will not be able to swear your allegiance to america.. and the lord JEsus at the same time .. you cannot serve two masters .

 

[Biblicist]

Wow you should be a publiscist for the Russians, and quit coming against my country if you please. You wish to believe that they are making nice and have a well balanced policy then live in your fairy tale land but quit bashing the US. I for one am tired of it and I know at least a couple others are as well.

So, am I mistaken to think that this is a Christian forum or only a forum for Americans who believe that whatever their country does in right?

You may have failed to observe that I am also critiquing NATO and Australian foreign policies and as a Christian whose looking at a broader picture and not one that is based merely on the whims of my countries military-industrial moguls (and we certainly have our own), then shouldn't the People of God be viewing world affairs in isolation from their individual countries various secular agendas. Remember, we are heading for the Last Days where the various secular powers will endup standing against God, this includes Australia, China, Europe (NATO), Russia and the USA; so what are the Christians in each of these countries to do, are we to put our heads in the sand where we each say that "we're the good-guys" and the others are "the bad-guys", or are we to look at world affairs through the eyes of God (or at least as best as we can).

Over the decades I've been looking at the rise of the EU (and NATO), where the future leader will be the Antichrist. The Antichrist will not be reigning in isolation in Brussells, but he will have the full support of all the EU nations, and guess what, his military force will be NATO! At the moment I am keenly watching the developments in the UK where there is a strong movement to leave the EU, if this does happen, where I trust that every British Christian is both praying and lobbying their political representatives to encourage them to support this departure, if this does occur, then the Christian heritage of the UK may possibly see them staying away from the leadership of the future Antichrist. Hopefully the Christians in the USA will do much the same thing, where they will heed the warning of President Eisenhower (1961) who warned the Amercians about the problem of the US military-industrial complex. If the Christians in the USA are able to eventually curtail the endeavours of their moguls/oligarchs (and with that of their rank and file shareholders) where the US can return to their Christian foundations, then I would like to think that if the 'elect' can stand for the Christian Heritage of the USA then maybe the US will be able to remain outside of the Antichrist's power as well.

As for poor old Australia, we may be the same physical size as the USA and bigger than Europe, but as we are currently only 24 million people, our industrial leaders will probably have us following whatever international agenda best suits their needs.

You might be surprised to discover that having returned from our wonderful six week trip to the USA in 2012, that I actually spend a lot of time defending the US to my Christian friends as many of them (especially the non-Christians) tend to have a very low opinion of the USA. Only last night, we were with some family (non-Christian) friends where one of them began to talk about the recent school massacre in Oregon; someone else asked, "Was it in Oregon as there seems to be so many it hards to keep track", this is how many Australians (and others?) view the USA. As most Australians only view the US through the filter of the many school massacres that we see on our nightly news programs, we can easily gain a distorted view of the situation in the US, which is something that I frequently try to rectify.

Before we went to the USA, I was ardently anti-gun, as about the only people here in Australia who own guns, beside that of our farmers and a few gun collectors are our criminals. Since looking at the gun issue in the US, I now fully support even the open-carrying of side arms but at the same time, if our State were to attempt to relax our gun ownership laws I would be prepared to join an anti-gun group here in Australia.

Whenever I find myself defending the USA to my friends (which seems to occur a lot), I explain that unlike Australia, as the USA is comprised of a large and very diverse population base, with a strong history, we need to understand its complexity, where no single issue should be considered in isolation from the many other connecting concerns.


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[Biblicist]

Double post.

 

[Biblicist]

what astounds me every time such topics arise is the bizarre loyalty "christians " - who are a new creations in christ and by the spirit of adoption are children of the most High God and "citizens of heaven (Philippians 3:20 ).. display toward a worldly nation (as every nation is ) .. they seem to forget that the lord is coming back and he will over throw ALL the nations of the earth and destroy them ,he will rule from Jerusalem ( not washington) with a rod of iron .

it may come as a shock to too many that in the end ..you will not be able to swear your allegiance to america.. and the lord JEsus at the same time .. you cannot serve two masters .

I wonder how many people become "New Creations in Christ" or are many only "New Americans, Australians or New Zealanders in Christ"?

 

[Biblicist]

The "news" is propaganda; one can see that when watching Russian "news" and comparing it to western "news" and comparing both to al jazeera "news". We're all being fed selective visuals and given a narrative that fits the interests of those providing the reportage so we ought not accept at face value what any one "news" source has to say. There is a lot of self-interest in what we're told.

Having once been a "CNN bunny" where I was more than happy to believe any news article that supported my Western mindset; as I have had a few more years to reconsider what has been happening around me, I can now be thankful that we can easily source information from numerous sources and not only from the traditionalist media moguls, where an Australian/American is probably their captain, how is Rupert Murdoch going I wonder.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Having once been a "CNN bunny" where I was more than happy to believe any news article that supported my Western mindset; as I have had a few more years to reconsider what has been happening around me, I can now be thankful that we can easily source information from numerous sources and not only from the traditionalist media moguls, where an Australian/American is probably their captain, how is Rupert Murdoch going I wonder.

I see the logic of Russian intervention to support their proxy (Syria's Bashar Al-Assad's government) - it is very similar to the USA's logic in supporting their proxy (Israel's government). Russia's interest in the middle east goes back to the Soviet Union times. It is not new and nobody ought to be surprised to see it.

 

[Biblicist]

I see the logic of Russian intervention to support their proxy (Syria's Bashar Al-Assad's government) - it is very similar to the USA's logic in supporting their proxy (Israel's government). Russia's interest in the middle east goes back to the Soviet Union times. It is not new and nobody ought to be surprised to see it.

Even though I am pleased to see the intervention by the Russian Federation into Syria, I do have some grave concerns that as the US & NATO have been trying to undermine the new Russian Federation as they see then as a threat to their business interests, what will happen when Putin leaves his job, as I doubt that Russia could find anyone of his calibre to replace him. Once Putin leaves we could see the Russian Federation becoming increasingly anti-Western (which will be our fault). As the US and NATO seem to be incapable of doing anything right in the Middle East and North Africa, just take a look at the mess that has been created in Libya, then we may very well see the Russian Federation becoming fed up with the chaos that we are creating which could see them probably taking a direct stand against the US and NATO (including Australia) - which won't be good for anyone.

Once Putin finally leaves power, I am really concerned with what direction the new Russian Federation will take, and I tend to suspect that it won't be a direction that will be good for anyone, be it them or us!

 

[psalms 91]

So, am I mistaken to think that this is a Christian forum or only a forum for Americans who believe that whatever their country does in right?

You may have failed to observe that I am also critiquing NATO and Australian foreign policies and as a Christian whose looking at a broader picture and not one that is based merely on the whims of my countries military-industrial moguls (and we certainly have our own), then shouldn't the People of God be viewing world affairs in isolation from their individual countries various secular agendas. Remember, we are heading for the Last Days where the various secular powers will endup standing against God, this includes Australia, China, Europe (NATO), Russia and the USA; so what are the Christians in each of these countries to do, are we to put our heads in the sand where we each say that "we're the good-guys" and the others are "the bad-guys", or are we to look at world affairs through the eyes of God (or at least as best as we can).

Over the decades I've been looking at the rise of the EU (and NATO), where the future leader will be the Antichrist. The Antichrist will not be reigning in isolation in Brussells, but he will have the full support of all the EU nations, and guess what, his military force will be NATO! At the moment I am keenly watching the developments in the UK where there is a strong movement to leave the EU, if this does happen, where I trust that every British Christian is both praying and lobbying their political representatives to encourage them to support this departure, if this does occur, then the Christian heritage of the UK may possibly see them staying away from the leadership of the future Antichrist. Hopefully the Christians in the USA will do much the same thing, where they will heed the warning of President Eisenhower (1961) who warned the Amercians about the problem of the US military-industrial complex. If the Christians in the USA are able to eventually curtail the endeavours of their moguls/oligarchs (and with that of their rank and file shareholders) where the US can return to their Christian foundations, then I would like to think that if the 'elect' can stand for the Christian Heritage of the USA then maybe the US will be able to remain outside of the Antichrist's power as well.

As for poor old Australia, we may be the same physical size as the USA and bigger than Europe, but as we are currently only 24 million people, our industrial leaders will probably have us following whatever international agenda best suits their needs.

You might be surprised to discover that having returned from our wonderful six week trip to the USA in 2012, that I actually spend a lot of time defending the US to my Christian friends as many of them (especially the non-Christians) tend to have a very low opinion of the USA. Only last night, we were with some family (non-Christian) friends where one of them began to talk about the recent school massacre in Oregon; someone else asked, "Was it in Oregon as there seems to be so many it hards to keep track", this is how many Australians (and others?) view the USA. As most Australians only view the US through the filter of the many school massacres that we see on our nightly news programs, we can easily gain a distorted view of the situation in the US, which is something that I frequently try to rectify.

Before we went to the USA, I was ardently anti-gun, as about the only people here in Australia who own guns, beside that of our farmers and a few gun collectors are our criminals. Since looking at the gun issue in the US, I now fully support even the open-carrying of side arms but at the same time, if our State were to attempt to relax our gun ownership laws I would be prepared to join an anti-gun group here in Australia.

Whenever I find myself defending the USA to my friends (which seems to occur a lot), I explain that unlike Australia, as the USA is comprised of a large and very diverse population base, with a strong history, we need to understand its complexity, where no single issue should be considered in isolation from the many other connecting concerns.


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I am not blind to Americas problems but I also do not like anyone tearing the USA down either. Realistically this country has to fall at somwe point to fulfill prophecy as I dont see us anywhere in scripture dealing with end times and as you pointed out our strong support of Israel precludes us having to be taken out. This country is being judged for the innocent lives taken every year, our worship of money and power, our arrogance, our greed, and so much else but it is still m country,

 

[Biblicist]

I have just come across a very helpful map that was produced by Reuters a few days back regarding the 'current' military situation in Syria which some might find helpful.

[Click on image to expand]

 

[Doublemint]

Wow . . . how the world has changed over the past few decades. To be honest, I sort of miss being able to call the Russkies the "bad-boys" where we were supposed to be a part of the "good-guys"; now we have the new Russian Federation standing up as about the only rational world power where both NATO and the USA (and poor ol' Australia who does what it's told) seem to be lost to the whims of the military-industrial complex.

As the Russians seem to have the only viable battle-plan for achieving a degree of peace in Syria (if it's at all possible), should Australia seek permission from the Syrian government to deploy its Air Force alongside the Russians and the Syrians?

No one will back us in Syria.
Just watch ...

That is why the American people are crowding around Trump.

Our attention needs to be focused at the American population - switch our economic positive flow from military activities to actually working the fields, making stuff in factories and producing whatever else is needed ... let Europe handle Europe ... let China handle Asia ... let Russia handle Middle East.
And if ISIS is too much - let China work with Russia on that.

The Middle East people LOVE the idea of business and education.
They hate their imams with passion ... but they are stuck and taken hostage by their prisoner society.

Peace through trading and economy.

Enough of wars.

Thanks,
Ed

 

[psalms 91]

No one will back us in Syria.
Just watch ...

That is why the American people are crowding around Trump.

Our attention needs to be focused at the American population - switch our economic positive flow from military activities to actually working the fields, making stuff in factories and producing whatever else is needed ... let Europe handle Europe ... let China handle Asia ... let Russia handle Middle East.
And if ISIS is too much - let China work with Russia on that.

The Middle East people LOVE the idea of business and education.
They hate their imams with passion ... but they are stuck and taken hostage by their prisoner society.

Peace through trading and economy.

Enough of wars.

Thanks,
Ed

I have no doubt that this is the path we will go down and I am equally sure that it is a path of our downfall and a very dangerous place to be