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Proverbs has advice about handling your posts.
Really? I just figured you needed to consult your catechism to know what to do. Kinda your magic 8 ball.
 

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Poorly supported opinions of a church should be called out.
The Bereans were commended for demanding biblical proof.
Why do you and MC trust in foolish opinions of tradition while ignoring scripture?
Perhaps your faith is in your church and not in God?

Thank you for your uplifting sentiments, Menno...

Without your generous words...

How could we possibly know that God is Love?

"Saul, Saul - Why persecuteth thou Me?"

Is Christ Himself persecuted when members of His Body, His Ekklesia, is murdered?


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Really?
I just figured you needed to consult your catechism to know what to do.
Kinda your magic 8 ball.

Thank you for your uplifting sentiments, Menno...

Without your generous words...

How could we possibly know that God is Love?

Thanks to your words, I now know that God is not a spiteful and angry little accuser...

For a minute there I was a-wondering...


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You guys are still obliging him? Patience of saints, I tell ya...
 

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Thank you for your uplifting sentiments, Menno...

Without your generous words...

How could we possibly know that God is Love?

"Saul, Saul - Why persecuteth thou Me?"

Is Christ Himself persecuted when members of His Body, His Ekklesia, is murdered?


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I find it funny that you and MC show faux tears when you both place tradition far above scripture and then pick out verses to prop up your opinionated traditions.
Speak the truth of scripture or admit your idol is your tradition, which supplants the God of Creation.
 

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Do you imagine that sharing more undocumented opinion will make the comments more legitimate?
MC, you are digging a deeper hole for yourself with each paste.
On top of it,
you prove yourself incapable of speaking your own mind.

"But we have the Mind of Christ..." Paul's own very words...

Remember?


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You guys are still obliging him? Patience of saints, I tell ya...
I understand you and others who cling to the traditions of men over God will not like my words. I have no apology for calling out your idols.
 

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I understand you and others who cling to the traditions of men over God will not like my words. I have no apology for calling out your idols.

Yes, yes. Good on ya. As for your words, I care for them as you care for those of others
(Apologies to MC for the side-track)
 

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"But we have the Mind of Christ..." Paul's own very words...

Remember?


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You also have your idols, just as Israel refused to give up its idols.
 

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I find it funny that you and MC show faux tears

I of course cannot speak for MC, but my tears for you are very real...

when you both place tradition far above scripture

I place God both above and as the Source of both...

So also does Scripture...

So also does Holy Tradition...

and then pick out verses to prop up your opinionated traditions.

That is ONE way to attack scripture, I suppose...

Speak the truth of scripture...

I cite Scripture and you attack the Scripture as Tradition...

or admit your idol is your tradition,

Well, we do not idolize tradition, but you seem to advocate idolizing one's own personal opinions...

which supplants the God of Creation.

Thank you for your personal opinions...


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You also have your idols, just as Israel refused to give up its idols.


See?

I cite Scripture...

You attack me...

And you think you are doing God's work...

Thank you for your personal opinion of me...

Flattery will get you nowhere! :)


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See?

I cite Scripture...

You attack me...

And you think you are doing God's work...

Thank you for your personal opinion of me...

Flattery will get you nowhere! :)


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No, I call out your illegitimate traditions.
 

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You guys are still obliging him? Patience of saints, I tell ya...


There is a certain danger in it, granted...

I will let him have the last words now...

Famous last words...


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"But we have the Mind of Christ..." Paul's own very words...

Remember?


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You also have your idols, just as Israel refused to give up its idols.

So what would you say, Menno? Do you have the Mind of Christ, and therefore the ability to do good - to think and act according to his will? Or does sin and death still reign in thought and deed?
 

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So what would you say, Menno? Do you have the Mind of Christ, and therefore the ability to do good - to think and act according to his will? Or does sin and death still reign in thought and deed?

Your question is a deflection from the topic, which is about man's fallen condition from Adam onward.
I will let scripture speak
Romans 5:6-21
For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ. Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 

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I finished the section on the fall as far as original sin and its associated consequences is concerned. No need for me to post much more in this thread.
 

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Scripture doesn't speak of a "fallen condition". It speaks of death through sin ("...sin reigned in death..."). The reductionism to a "sin condition/nature" waters down the essence and gravity of the situation we actually find ourselves in, and reduces the sacrifice of Christ to what one theologian referred to as "cheap grace"
 

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MC, just getting his jollies pasting illegitimate documents from his church. Best to ignore it until he has an original thought based on scripture.
 

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Quoting bible verses is not original thought.
 

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I love context. Just FYI.

The paragraph before ...

[1 Corinthians 2:10-13 NASB] 10 For to us God revealed [them] through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the [thoughts] of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the [thoughts] of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, 13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual [thoughts] with spiritual [words.]

The paragraph quoted from ...

[1 Corinthians 2:14-16 NASB] 14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. 15 But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. 16 For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.

The paragraph after it ...

[1 Corinthians 3:1-4 NASB] 1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ. 2 I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able [to receive it.] Indeed, even now you are not yet able, 3 for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men? 4 For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not [mere] men?

[Well, I found the context amusing.] :)
 
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