Has the media truly become the enemy of the people?

[Andrew]

[MENTION=55]ImaginaryDay2[/MENTION] here is your raw footage recorded by the bullying party/ the "israelites" this is what caused it, first they bully the natives and then attack the kids, listen to these guys harassing and bullying these school kids waiting for their bus while trashing the bible. Makes me sick, and the native man straight up lies saying that these kids were angry lol these kids were being kids having the time of their lives and smiling at the man, the elders sidekick was shouting racist remarks to them and so the kids began to notice that they werent friendly either.
https://youtu.be/WzJU1L-1VrE
https://youtu.be/FWcZu7h2r68

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

The kids chanted their school song and the class clown took his shirt off lol they are just kids who got back from a pro-life rally. The black israelites said some very hateful things to them, "these crackers cant even be out in the sun for too long" "go back to Europe this is not your land" "Trumps a ******" and these kids were just waiting for the bus.. Maybe they should ban school chants and ban their maga hats and the boys should be punched out and harassed, they were the ones standing there as a man walked up banging a drum in his personal space... the kid stayed well composed, but the indians friend was telling them that they need to go back to Europe!

The man "banging a drum" as you say had a purpose for playing that drum, and it's not what you think. Perhaps you might spend some time to find out. As for the kid, he could move, he could have done a number of different things - anyone could have. But no-one did. As for the man saying "go back to Europe", do you believe this was some comment in isolation? Right-wing bloggers would have us believe that. The blog you posted isn't the only one that singled out that comment in isolation from what came before or after. A 'Facebook' friend of mine was kind enough to post from a different blogger, but he was also careful to point out the same comment in isolation - perhaps they also compare notes? As I said, we have our preferred narratives that get perpetuated to support whatever is 'truth' and what is 'fake news'

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

...They never flinched but just did their school chants.. they definitely don't need to be threatened or harassed for their team spirit.

School kids get a pass for "chants and team spirit" but "Indians" are just "banging (their) drum". Gotcha. Perhaps one of them should have removed his shirt and flexed a little... :/

 

[Andrew]

The man "banging a drum" as you say had a purpose for playing that drum, and it's not what you think. Perhaps you might spend some time to find out. As for the kid, he could move, he could have done a number of different things - anyone could have. But no-one did. As for the man saying "go back to Europe", do you believe this was some comment in isolation? Right-wing bloggers would have us believe that. The blog you posted isn't the only one that singled out that comment in isolation from what came before or after. A 'Facebook' friend of mine was kind enough to post from a different blogger, but he was also careful to point out the same comment in isolation - perhaps they also compare notes? As I said, we have our preferred narratives that get perpetuated to support whatever is 'truth' and what is 'fake news'

I provided the video that os raw and fuller than yours and shows many views from others cameras in sync and also an interview with the native man who said he wanted to break up the tension, he boldly lies about what happened and the new surfaced videos proves that he is lying, the video gives you the perspective from many angles like I said, even from the hebrew israelites where you can SEE and HEAR and KNOW WHO was being harassed!!
Please watch the full raw video and not your cherry picks...
Then you can state your argument and have a conversation because I can make no defense if you have not seen the whole video.
https://youtu.be/WzJU1L-1VrE
https://youtu.be/WzJU1L-1VrE

 

[Andrew]

School kids get a pass for "chants and team spirit" but "Indians" are just "banging (their) drum". Gotcha. Perhaps one of them should have removed his shirt and flexed a little... :/

The kid did that before the native showed up... Why??? Because the hebrew israelites were shouting out racist hate speech against white people! Watch the video and see! The kids were drowning them out and when you see the hebrews personal footage it really makes them mad!! Then they the Hebrew israelites make fun of the native and calls him Gad, "here comes Gad, Gads coming" because earlier the hebrew israelites were mocking the indians calling them savages and stealing their culture!
Watch the video please and you will see I am not making this up

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

I provided the video that os raw and fuller than yours and shows many views from others cameras in sync and also an interview with the native man who said he wanted to break up the tension

I've watched those videos before. Was he being untruthful? How?

He boldly lies about what happened and the new surfaced videos proves that he is lying

About what?

...the video gives you the perspective from many angles like I said, even from the hebrew israelites where you can SEE and HEAR and KNOW WHO was being harassed!!

It's evident the hebrew israelites were aggressors here. Have I said different. But who were they aggressive toward?

Please watch the full raw video and not your cherry picks...

I didn't post the right-wing blogger nonsense in post #16.

Then you can state your argument and have a conversation because I can make no defense if you have not seen the whole video.

I'll state what I want, when I want

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

The kid did that before the native showed up... Why??? Because the hebrew israelites were shouting out racist hate speech against white people! Watch the video and see! The kids were drowning them out and when you see the hebrews personal footage it really makes them mad!! Then they the Hebrew israelites make fun of the native and calls him Gad, "here comes Gad, Gads coming" because earlier the hebrew israelites were mocking the indians calling them savages and stealing their culture!

That didn't answer my point in post 23

 

[Andrew]

I've watched those videos before. Was he being untruthful? How?



About what?



It's evident the hebrew israelites were aggressors here. Have I said different. But who were they aggressive toward?



I didn't post the right-wing blogger nonsense in post #16.



I'll state what I want, when I want

You didn't watch the video. The video has interviews with him where he says things like "they were chanting build that wall" and the kids clearly never said that, in fact it was the hebrew israelites who were mocking the kids by chanting "build that wall!", another lie is where he says that they surrounded him and were angry and aggressive, this interview actually plays over where he clearly walks up to them and they are all smiling and you can clearly hear some kids saying "whats going on?" so they were really confused but still kept there moral up by chanting along with him and clapping with him.
I apologise for the Mike Dice video because he can seem offensive so I took it down.
I respected that you wanted a full video and all I ask is you get the full effect of the many phone video recordings and you can hear what is being said. You have a partial one sided video of the boys purposely drowning out the hebrew israelites who were attacking the Catholic Church, telling them "there day is coming" calling them blue eyed demons and bashing America and bashing the natives... get your facts straight and watch the entirety of the video that has surfaced, it's all in perfect order to and you get all sides perspective... but whatever you just attack a boy cheering on his classmates to drown out hate speech.
You are afraid to watch the video because you might be wrong and you are letting your pride get to you.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

...but whatever you just attack a boy cheering on his classmates to drown out hate speech.

I've done no such thing, except to juxtapose "team spirit" with a man just "banging a drum" - one acceptable, the other not, right?

You are afraid to watch the video...

I've already said I watched it

...because you might be wrong...

About what?

...and you are letting your pride get to you.

A bit presumptive, isn't it?

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

I've watched those videos before. Was he being untruthful? How?



About what?



It's evident the hebrew israelites were aggressors here. Have I said different. But who were they aggressive toward?



I didn't post the right-wing blogger nonsense in post #16.

[MENTION=387]Andrew[/MENTION] - Care to address these questions?

 

[Andrew]

[MENTION=387]Andrew[/MENTION] - Care to address these questions?

In post #28 I answered all your questions, what the native lied about and who the hebrews were attacking...
Its self explanatory in the video which you said "I've seen those videos before"... im only talking about one video and the answers are in that video clear as day.
The kids were being followed and cornered by those hebrew israelites and they retaliated by performing school chants, I would have done the same thing in that situation especially because the "hebrews" were shouting profanities, hate speech and preaching a racist god using the Holy Bible!
Do you believe that these kids are in the wrong? Seriously? Were they harassing that man? Where exactly do you stand on this?
These kids were at a pro life rally and Trump is pro life that's why they were attacked, for wearing that hat. It's a witch hunt, these kids lives are being put at risk for standing on steps away from these people. Now thanks to fake news spinning lies these kids have become a target for fascist who apparently 'have no president'. Those tweets in that video I took down for you were sickening, "he needs to be punched in the face" " he has a punchable face" "the maga hat is a kkk hood" "he should be put into a meat grinder" "lets dox him (hunt him down)"
These are facts, do you truly believe that these boys did anything wrong? if so explain to me how.

 

[tango]

I'm assuming from some of the responses here that the attempts by right-wing bloggers to "correct" stories somehow shed light on "truth"? Are we that naive to believe that Mr. "What's Really Going On" (post 16) has any less an agenda than CNN/Fox/MSNBC? Would some raw video help?

[video]https://player.vimeo.com/video/312330750?cjevent=5cdd2bb31e7811e98019001a0a1c0e0b[/video]

There are four videos in the full clip. The one above is only the first. I couldn't get the other three to copy/paste. But watch all of it.

Now a question - was anyone actually talking to anyone else? Or was everyone just excited and excitable?
If we're going to talk about the "media" being the enemy of the people, then we need to examine how our biases will lead us to conclusions that support our own narrative of 'truth' and 'fake news'

This leads into an interesting point I read on an article last night. The gist of the article was to ask that without Twitter and Facebook whether anyone would care about a dispute that they didn't observe between two people they didn't know.

My thoughts are that I wasn't there and didn't see it, so can't really comment one way or the other on who may have been right or wrong, if indeed anyone was unquestionably right or wrong. I can say I'm appalled at the people seeking to "name and shame", people who say how one photo apparently condenses centuries years of "white privilege", people who assume the white kid is out of line because, well, he's white so obviously he's the aggressor, and so on.

What I found really ironic was the way MLK started with my Facebook feed awash with people (mostly from the political left) quoting his "hate doesn't drive out hate" message, and finished with the very same people screaming venom about and towards a boy when even the worst allegations against him were little more than that he had acted slightly inappropriately. And then the people who were quick to quote MLK completely ignored his message about "judged by character not skin color" and laid into the boy, assuming he was wrong for little reason other than the color of his skin.

Of course if enough people call the school to say how disgusted they are about everything the end result will probably be a total end to school trips. What school wants their administrators tied up with endless calls from people who weren't there and don't know, but did see a post on Facebook and want to call to say how disgusted they are by the event they didn't witness? If the screaming and howling are a consequence of trying to take children out to learn more about the world, at what point do schools start deciding it's more trouble than it's worth? And, once again, everybody loses.

 

[Lamb]

Tango, I'm seeing the same things on my feeds...promoting love and tolerance in one meme and then the next the hate filled rants. This is what America has become.

 

[Tigger]

Initially on FB when it was being perpetrated that the young men were the instigators in this situation I was calling for restraint be used as a teaching opportunity but I was met by horrible responses. I ended up unfriending one individual.

 

[tango]

Initially on FB when it was being perpetrated that the young men were the instigators in this situation I was calling for restraint be used as a teaching opportunity but I was met by horrible responses. I ended up unfriending one individual.

I'm sad to say I'm seriously considering breaking ties with a friend over this issue. She and I have very different political outlooks on many things and I've never had a problem with it prior to this incident. But to "name and shame", especially when one post she shared didn't even have the correct name, is a disgrace. Later she posted another meme that blamed Trump for raising a generation of racists. Because, you know, this kid who must be 14 or 15 has lived under the Trump administration for most of his life. Apparently.

What makes things really sad is that I know this person has relatives who aren't much younger than the boy in question. This whole fiasco could potentially have had one of them caught up in the middle of it.

The thing that makes all of this even more bizarre is that the very people who despise the death penalty for the worst criminals are apparently quite happy with the thought of ruining a boy's entire life based on nothing more than an unproven accusation that he might be racist. How the mere suspicion of racism became worthy of having an entire life destroyed is a mystery. Frankly the people I'm most concerned about are the left-wing nutjobs.

And then for good measure the people who call out for people to be attacked, who make death threats against someone based on nothing more than something they read on Facebook, are the ones who turn around and ask why people feel the need to carry a gun. Frankly if I were anywhere near the epicenter of this farce I'd be carrying a gun absolutely everywhere I went.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

Here's why I posted those videos - It shows quite a bit more. Yes, the hebrews were attacking those kids. Quite viciously. I don't understand that kind of vitriol, and why groups see any need to do it. The reason I asked "who were they harassing" was because they were also harassing some of the Native group. It's in the first one. My point in asking was that we see whatever preferred narrative we want - my point all along. I purposely did not read any of the articles about this when it first came about because of the spin that each side has - it's not 'truth'. Truth lies in the minds and experiences of those that were there.

I was surprised by what the Native elder did, frankly. Whatever his intentions, it seemed to be out of fear, anger, whatever, but shouldn't have happened. But it was more than just "beating his drum" - another preferred narrative. Native people have another purpose for playing and singing than just "beating (their) drum", but as long as that's the narrative, that's all it will be.

I saw some excitable kids - pretty worked up by being attacked by the hebrew group and being kids. It was pretty normal (different than acceptable) for a group of kids. The elder coming up to them didn't help much, but if we try to assign blame away from the youth to the elder, we haven't accomplished much - it's still trying to assign blame for what was (and I've said this before) an extremely unfortunate event.

 

[Andrew]

Here's why I posted those videos - It shows quite a bit more. Yes, the hebrews were attacking those kids. Quite viciously. I don't understand that kind of vitriol, and why groups see any need to do it. The reason I asked "who were they harassing" was because they were also harassing some of the Native group. It's in the first one. My point in asking was that we see whatever preferred narrative we want - my point all along. I purposely did not read any of the articles about this when it first came about because of the spin that each side has - it's not 'truth'. Truth lies in the minds and experiences of those that were there.

I was surprised by what the Native elder did, frankly. Whatever his intentions, it seemed to be out of fear, anger, whatever, but shouldn't have happened. But it was more than just "beating his drum" - another preferred narrative. Native people have another purpose for playing and singing than just "beating (their) drum", but as long as that's the narrative, that's all it will be.

I saw some excitable kids - pretty worked up by being attacked by the hebrew group and being kids. It was pretty normal (different than acceptable) for a group of kids. The elder coming up to them didn't help much, but if we try to assign blame away from the youth to the elder, we haven't accomplished much - it's still trying to assign blame for what was (and I've said this before) an extremely unfortunate event.

The native man was not alone though, my video shows an angle you do not see, right next to the native is another native telling the boys to go back to Europe. The boy "standing" was hearing what this racist native was saying.

 

[Albion]

One adult witness made an interesting point. She made clear that the reason the students were targeted was not just because they were wearing MAGA hats, but that they were Christians and known to be so, opponents of abortion on demand, and white. All of that was gleaned from what she heard from the other side.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

The native man was not alone though, my video shows an angle you do not see, right next to the native is another native telling the boys to go back to Europe. The boy "standing" was hearing what this racist native was saying.

I'm asking you again to please watch what I posted. There is context. Everyone there was excited and excitable. I haven't said different. The native man yelling "go back to Europe" was wrong. Does that satisfy you?

Look, nothing happens in a vacuum. The man was in an argument with one (or more) of the kids. But if all we hear is a sound bite, that's all we hear. If I wanted to do sound bites, I could do it, too. A rather ignorant thing was said by one of those kids as the excitement was dying down. And it's not on the video you posted.
But what do sound bites do but support a preferred narrative? That's not what I want to do. And hopefully we can steer away from that

 

[Andrew]

One adult witness made an interesting point. She made clear that the reason the students were targeted was not just because they were wearing MAGA hats, but that they were Christians and known to be so, opponents of abortion on demand, and white. All of that was gleaned from what she heard from the other side.

The boys had just came back from a pro life Rally, Catholics are pro life, Trump is also pro life, they are a catholic school, they (some) wore maga hats... this is in Washington DC btw.
It was all in all a mess of racist "hebrews" attacking "natives" and "Catholics" and the natives were attacking the boys saying "you took our land" "go back to Europe" as a native elder chants and bangs a drum in front a kid who was over hearing the racist native fellow.
I applaud these kids for using their team spirit to block out these extremely racist bunch of radicals from both the "hebrews" and the natives (which were caught straight up lying in their interviews -before the other videos surfaced).
The pro choice team really loves to smear pro life Catholics, I guess it's the new trend, since Kavanaugh. Pathetic