Saved from what?

[Hammster]

Let's agree that Open Theism is false and that God is truly omniscient, even knowing all future events.

With that established, some folks think that truly saved believers can lose/forfeit their salvation. So my question is this: what exactly are they saved from? I cannot be hell, since that's where they will end up if they stay unrepentant. So if they are saved, from what are they saved?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Why do you think that one who finds direction under God but doesn't follow that direction won't be damned? Salvation takes walking the narrow path shown by God. Maybe I'm not understanding your question. It is definitely hell that one is saved from upon walking in the right path under God's direction.

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[Hammster]

Why do you think that one who finds direction under God but doesn't follow that direction won't be damned? Salvation takes walking the narrow path shown by God. Maybe I'm not understanding your question. It is definitely hell that one is saved from upon walking in the right path under God's direction.

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If someone can lose their salvation, what were they saved from?

 

[popsthebuilder]

If someone can lose their salvation, what were they saved from?

Hell

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[Hammster]

Hell

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So if they don't end up in hell, where do they end up?

 

[popsthebuilder]

So if they don't end up in hell, where do they end up?

What kind of question is that supposed to be? Thought you where a Christian. There are only two possibilities that I am aware of.

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[Hammster]

What kind of question is that supposed to be? Thought you where a Christian. There are only two possibilities that I am aware of.

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You said someone who loses their salvation was saved from hell. Are you saying that they still go to heaven?

 

[popsthebuilder]

You said someone who loses their salvation was saved from hell. Are you saying that they still go to heaven?

That's the opposite of what I said.

Watch;

If someone falls from God's grace by sinning over and over after being saved then they will go to hell because they are no longer saved.

See?

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[Hammster]

That's the opposite of what I said.

Watch;

If someone falls from God's grace by sinning over and over after being saved then they will go to hell because they are no longer saved.

See?

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So in what way were they ever saved? Did God not know they would "fall from grace"?

 

[popsthebuilder]

So in what way were they ever saved? Did God not know they would "fall from grace"?

It's called free will. The one thing that I know of that isn't predestined and as a result gives us the potential for greatness under God and complete damnation. Pretty sure angels have it too.

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[Hammster]

It's called free will. The one thing that I know of that isn't predestined and as a result gives us the potential for greatness under God and complete damnation. Pretty sure angels have it too.

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That has nothing to do with this topic. And it in no way addresses my post.

 

[popsthebuilder]

You asked if God knew that they would fall from his grace. I answered your question and saying yes he knew but free will is a variable. It pretends directly to your question. It also pertains to the post directly. I don't quite understand how you can't see that.

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[Alithis]

If someone can lose their salvation, what were they saved from?

they were saved from the consequence of disobedience .. if they return to disobedience .. they return to its consequence .
the lord Jesus made it very clear to me in my life that if i did into listen to him and by obedience let him lead me out of my sin that i would perish in it .
he led me to repentance .. by grace . and there at the cross ,by grace he brought me decision time .continue as i was . or repent and live .

once saved always saved is not the truth .. obedience to the grace of God is an absolute .

 

[Hammster]

You asked if God knew that they would fall from his grace. I answered your question and saying yes he knew but free will is a variable. It pretends directly to your question. It also pertains to the post directly. I don't quite understand how you can't see that.

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I'm going by what was posted. I cannot magically discern how you connected it.

Let's assume that free will is a reality. God still knew that someone would freely "lose" their salvation. He knew this from before time. So there cannot b,e in any real sense, the fact that they are saved from hell because that is exactly where they will end up.

 

[Hammster]

they were saved from the consequence of disobedience .. if they return to disobedience .. they return to its consequence .
the lord Jesus made it very clear to me in my life that if i did into listen to him and by obedience let him lead me out of my sin that i would perish in it .
he led me to repentance .. by grace . and there at the cross ,by grace he brought me decision time .continue as i was . or repent and live .

once saved always saved is not the truth .. obedience to the grace of God is an absolute .

They were never saved from the consequences because they ultimately end up in hell.

 

[Alithis]

They were never saved from the consequences because they ultimately end up in hell.

because they hardened their hearts band di not remain in obedience to his grace .
they did not abide in him .. they let their lamps run out of oil then filed it up with the sin of the world and said in their hearts "we have our past experience to call on (as the pharisees said we have our father Abraham ) they thought they could count on a single past act of praying a prayer ..for in that moment salvation came to them ,, but they left that straight and narrow way that LEADS to life .. see that it leads to it.. we must remain on it to remain in a state of "being saved"-while we remain on that narrow way we HAVE eternal life .. but every time we leave it we lose it except we repent and get back on it fast
and in this day there is little to no time to be messing around off that narrow way on the road and easy way that leads to death for in the moment you think i can go back to the narrow way now .. the bride groom has come and you missed the boat

 

[Hammster]

because they hardened their hearts band di not remain in obedience to his grace .
they did not abide in him .. they let their lamps run out of oil then filed it up with the sin of the world and said in their hearts "we have our past experience to call on (as the pharisees said we have our father Abraham ) they thought they could count on a single past act of praying a prayer ..for in that moment salvation came to them ,, but they left that straight and narrow way that LEADS to life .. see that it leads to it.. we must remain on it to remain in a state of "being saved"-while we remain on that narrow way we HAVE eternal life .. but every time we leave it we lose it except we repent and get back on it fast
and in this day there is little to no time to be messing around off that narrow way on the road and easy way that leads to death for in the moment you think i can go back to the narrow way now .. the bride groom has come and you missed the boat

I'm not interested in why they may have "lost" their salvation. My point is that someone cannot be saved from hell if they end up there. Not if God is truly omniscient.

 

[popsthebuilder]

They were never saved from the consequences because they ultimately end up in hell.

You can be saved and then sin and not be saved anymore. Through grace and repentance you can be saved again. But to be saved you must be without sin upon death. As in you must turn from the sins of the flesh and walk in the spirit under God alone. Technically, all habits of the flesh are idol worship.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[Hammster]

You can be saved and then sin and not be saved anymore.

This is the only part that relates to the topic.

You say they are saved. But they still end up in hell, correct?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Why are you so interested in word games. You can loose your salvation.

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