Saul and an evil spirit 1 Samuel 16

[NewCreation435]

14 Now the Spirit of the Lord had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord tormented him.
15 Saul’s attendants said to him, “See, an evil spirit from God is tormenting you
1 Samuel 16:14-15

This event occurs immediately after David is anointed by Samuel as king in the place of Saul. Because of Saul's disobedience,
he was rejected as king. Even though from this point on there are many years before David begins to reign.
It seems that those around Saul attribute his behavior to an evil spirit and they add that it is from God.
He sounds more like a paranoid schziophrenic to me.

This opens the door for them to search out and find a musician named David who will come and play the harp for Saul when he gets agitated.
same chapter verses 18-20

18 One of the servants answered, “I have seen a son of Jesse of Bethlehem who knows how to play the lyre. He is a brave man and a warrior. He speaks well and is a fine-looking man. And the Lord is with him.”
19 Then Saul sent messengers to Jesse and said, “Send me your son David, who is with the sheep.” 20 So Jesse took a donkey loaded with bread, a skin of wine and a young goat and sent them with his son David to Saul.

What do you make of how the people around Saul characterized what was happening to him?

 

[pinacled]

14 Now the Spirit of the Lord had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord tormented him.
15 Saul’s attendants said to him, “See, an evil spirit from God is tormenting you
1 Samuel 16:14-15

This event occurs immediately after David is anointed by Samuel as king in the place of Saul. Because of Saul's disobedience,
he was rejected as king. Even though from this point on there are many years before David begins to reign.
It seems that those around Saul attribute his behavior to an evil spirit and they add that it is from God.
He sounds more like a paranoid schziophrenic to me.

This opens the door for them to search out and find a musician named David who will come and play the harp for Saul when he gets agitated.
same chapter verses 18-20

18 One of the servants answered, “I have seen a son of Jesse of Bethlehem who knows how to play the lyre. He is a brave man and a warrior. He speaks well and is a fine-looking man. And the Lord is with him.”
19 Then Saul sent messengers to Jesse and said, “Send me your son David, who is with the sheep.” 20 So Jesse took a donkey loaded with bread, a skin of wine and a young goat and sent them with his son David to Saul.

What do you make of how the people around Saul characterized what was happening to him?

To me it is saddening in the way people treated him. A generation esteemed, and flattered the man with a surrounding environment of confusion.
When reading of the said spirit spoken of in the scriptures.
I leaned on the Lord in the spirit of knowledge and understanding as David did.
Was it all saul'?
Or was there wicked counsel involved.

 

[Lamb]

"Now the Spirit of the Lord had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord tormented him." A footnote said that "evil" could also mean "harmful". Was he harming himself or others? The people around him wanted him to be calm, was that for Saul's protection or for theirs? Scripture does not say. I wonder if they respected him as king enough to want to comfort him with David's playing on the lyre.

 

[NewCreation435]

"Now the Spirit of the Lord had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord tormented him." A footnote said that "evil" could also mean "harmful". Was he harming himself or others? The people around him wanted him to be calm, was that for Saul's protection or for theirs? Scripture does not say. I wonder if they respected him as king enough to want to comfort him with David's playing on the lyre.

Harmful would make sense. There are at least three times that I see him throwing a spear at either David or Jonathan his son.
I think they wanted him to stay calm because they realized how rash and unpredictable he could be at times. An example would be when he said that nobody should eat until he avenged his enemies. Jonathan ate some honey because he didn't hear what Saul said and Saul almost killed him for it. The people had to rescue Jonathan from Saul

 

[pinacled]

Remember also that samuel had two sons who led people astray by taking bribes.
A perspective to consider is that Saul being chosen by the people to represent them has a burden to carry in representing them before the Lord of Host.
Meaning that when a person reads of Saul. They should consider the larger problem that the nation is struggling with after esteeming a man of the tribe of Binyamin. Essentially they chose a wolf to lead them instead of trusting the Holy One and His promises.

Then during such troubles a young courageous man from the tribe the people had forgotten about began to sing.

Amen.

 

[pinacled]

Harmful would make sense. There are at least three times that I see him throwing a spear at either David or Jonathan his son.
I think they wanted him to stay calm because they realized how rash and unpredictable he could be at times. An example would be when he said that nobody should eat until he avenged his enemies. Jonathan ate some honey because he didn't hear what Saul said and Saul almost killed him for it. The people had to rescue Jonathan from Saul

Jonathon ate honey?

 

[Lamb]

Jonathon ate honey?

1 Samuel 14:29 Jonathan said, “My father has made trouble for the country. See how my eyes brightened when I tasted a little of this honey.

 

[pinacled]

Harmful would make sense. There are at least three times that I see him throwing a spear at either David or Jonathan his son.
I think they wanted him to stay calm because they realized how rash and unpredictable he could be at times. An example would be when he said that nobody should eat until he avenged his enemies. Jonathan ate some honey because he didn't hear what Saul said and Saul almost killed him for it. The people had to rescue Jonathan from Saul

Would you be so kind as to remind the readers here of the altar and the gift of honey spoken of in the Torah.

Honey is a good gift and I was reminded of the valley of dry bones recently.
After all the Spirit of prophecy is the testimony of......."

Blessings Always.

 

[pinacled]

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Honey

 

[pinacled]

whaat?
is this how the wind tree song is ignored.


you youngsters better wake up.

 

[NewCreation435]

Jonathon ate honey?

There reference I am making is to 1 Samuel 14:24-30
24 Now the Israelites were in distress that day, because Saul had bound the people under an oath, saying, “Cursed be anyone who eats food before evening comes, before I have avenged myself on my enemies!” So none of the troops tasted food.

25 The entire army entered the woods, and there was honey on the ground. 26 When they went into the woods, they saw the honey oozing out; yet no one put his hand to his mouth, because they feared the oath. 27 But Jonathan had not heard that his father had bound the people with the oath, so he reached out the end of the staff that was in his hand and dipped it into the honeycomb. He raised his hand to his mouth, and his eyes brightened. 28 Then one of the soldiers told him, “Your father bound the army under a strict oath, saying, ‘Cursed be anyone who eats food today!’ That is why the men are faint.”

29 Jonathan said, “My father has made trouble for the country. See how my eyes brightened when I tasted a little of this honey. 30 How much better it would have been if the men had eaten today some of the plunder they took from their enemies. Would not the slaughter of the Philistines have been even greater?”

and then later on in the chapter Saul finds out that Jonathan broke the ban and says to Jonathan that he must die, but the people rescue him in verse 45

 

[pinacled]

There reference I am making is to 1 Samuel 14:24-30
24 Now the Israelites were in distress that day, because Saul had bound the people under an oath, saying, “Cursed be anyone who eats food before evening comes, before I have avenged myself on my enemies!” So none of the troops tasted food.

25 The entire army entered the woods, and there was honey on the ground. 26 When they went into the woods, they saw the honey oozing out; yet no one put his hand to his mouth, because they feared the oath. 27 But Jonathan had not heard that his father had bound the people with the oath, so he reached out the end of the staff that was in his hand and dipped it into the honeycomb. He raised his hand to his mouth, and his eyes brightened. 28 Then one of the soldiers told him, “Your father bound the army under a strict oath, saying, ‘Cursed be anyone who eats food today!’ That is why the men are faint.”

29 Jonathan said, “My father has made trouble for the country. See how my eyes brightened when I tasted a little of this honey. 30 How much better it would have been if the men had eaten today some of the plunder they took from their enemies. Would not the slaughter of the Philistines have been even greater?”

and then later on in the chapter Saul finds out that Jonathan broke the ban and says to Jonathan that he must die, but the people rescue him in verse 45

Youngin,
Milk and honey is about ears and sight of good soil.
Like watchers of the royal Torah.

Two laws upon the heart known as the urim an thummim.

Are you looking for armor?
Yes or no?

 

[NewCreation435]

Youngin,
Milk and honey is about ears and sight of good soil.
Like watchers of the royal Torah.

Two laws upon the heart known as the urim an thummim.

Are you looking for armor?
Yes or no?

Thank you for calling me a "youngin". Nobody has said that to me in many years.
The references to milk and honey is made often in the Old Testament. If that is what you mean you are right about that.
However this was a specific incident that I am referring to.

 

[pinacled]

Thank you for calling me a "youngin". Nobody has said that to me in many years.
The references to milk and honey is made often in the Old Testament. If that is what you mean you are right about that.
However this was a specific incident that I am referring to.

you are welcome,
You have a youthful and energetic way of communicating.

What specific incident are you wanting to talk about? Binding, or loosing?
If it loosing you want to talk about then things are gonna get ugly on this forum. And i rather not scare the little ones reading here.


If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. 18Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. 19Again, I tell you truly that if two of you on the earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by My Father in heaven.…

 

[NewCreation435]

you are welcome,
You have a youthful and energetic way of communicating.

What specific incident are you wanting to talk about? Binding, or loosing?
If it loosing you want to talk about then things are gonna get ugly on this forum. And i rather not scare the little ones reading here.


If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. 18Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. 19Again, I tell you truly that if two of you on the earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by My Father in heaven.…

I am aware of what bible reference you are talking about. It is unclear to me how it is related to the topic we were discussing. Perhaps you have been taught something different than me regarding the references I have already mentioned

 

[pinacled]

I am aware of what bible reference you are talking about. It is unclear to me how it is related to the topic we were discussing. Perhaps you have been taught something different than me regarding the references I have already mentioned

Well, seek first the kingdom in leaning on the Lord in the spirit of knowledge and understanding.
Having heard of a ten string instrument that David played to calm sh'aul(Saul think of what is taught in a prayer of faith.

As I said before.
Was it all about sh'aul(Saul? Or was wicked counsel involved.?

All of the Torah and prophets hang on?
Perhaps those tens strings are bound to the two olive trees that is apart of the Royal Torah. Hatorah shem tov shivah brothers and sisters is something of value to go and learn.

I heard that the Lord anointed shmuel(samuel as his mother Hannah sung. Similar to a song of anointing given to sh'aul(saul, and David. Where when and why shmuel,s(samuels two sons became corrupt judges is beyond the point.
two, three and 4 witnesses bound the wicked counsel afflicting sh'aul(Saul the wolf. Greed was the affliction that led the people astray.
And David wasn't one to shy away from tending the flocks as a shepherd.

Do you remember the blessing given by ya'akov( Jacob to his youngest son of rachael who was born of a mother he never knew? Imagine a son who never knew the comfort of a mother nor the milk to give him strong bones.

How could such a child never being raised on milk(knowledge) ever recognize Honey(understanding)?

Where is your compassion in discussing the Torah youngin?

Blessings Always friend.

 

[pinacled]

Truth lies in stone and time is fluid.

If and when a person worships in truth and spirit they will be comforted in the true vine.
And so as a grape full of seeds reproduces after its kind in a prayer of faith.
The poor inherit something beyond milk and honey.

Blessings Always

Amen.

 

[pinacled]

After the instruction of beauty is given.
What fruit of the spirit do you think was the first note?
Patience perhaps.
If so then you would be correct and right in increasing with a complimentary fruit.

With patience add....??

What was it o cefa(peter said again?.

Milk and honey are for the youth while the elders tread out the land. They the children will do well to listen while the fire of wrath devours the enemy. And do well to wait and not teach till they are ready.



Do you Understand youngin?

 

[pinacled]

Would you be so kind as to remind the readers here of the altar and the gift of honey spoken of in the Torah.

Honey is a good gift and I was reminded of the valley of dry bones recently.
After all the Spirit of prophecy is the testimony of......."

Blessings Always.

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Honey

 

[pinacled]

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Honey

Vayikrah(leviticus 2:11
Is something that came to mind.
Interesting instruction.