Once saved always saved?

[MoreCoffee]

Blood is no more sinful than water.

One cannot help but notice how tangled the web is woven from mere blood to sinful acts. It is a small wonder that such reasoning leads to bad theology.

No, I've been born from above; it was Nicodemus who misunderstood the Lord and thought he needed to be born again, he mocked the idea talking about returning to one's mother's womb and being born again but the Lord said to him "In all truth I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above" and after Nicodemus objected the Lord said "In all truth I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born through water and the Spirit; what is born of human nature is human; what is born of the Spirit is spirit".

Isn't this line of questioning straying rather far from the thread's topic? What does it matter if you believe or do not believe that I am "born again"? Clearly human blood, or any other kind of blood, is not the vector transmitting sin as if it were some kind of infection. And blood is irrelevant to the topic of the thread. "Once saved always saved" isn't about blood lines as if one could inherit salvation or condemnation. Salvation is by grace not by what you inherit, right?

Read 152,154,and 157.

Okay, I read them, in fact I wrote them. Now what in those posts indicates a lack of understanding of the precious blood of the Lord Jesus Christ?

 

[Brighten04]

1.OK, You said blood is no more sinful than water. If that is true, then Our Lord shed his blood for nothing.
2.Mere blood IS the vector that passes on the sin nature. Notice here that Adam's progeny Seth had not the image of God as his father had before he was corrupted. Now the son inherited dad's own corrupted(sin) nature.Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
3.You said that blood is not relevant to Once saved always saved. It is by faith in the( blood that there is remission of sin. By the pure (untainted by the sin nature,) blood of Jesus is the sin of the world blotted out.
4. If it is not about blood and bloodlines, the whole Bible is of no importance.

 

[MoreCoffee]

1.OK, You said blood is no more sinful than water. If that is true, then Our Lord shed his blood for nothing.

That does not follow; the Lord's shed blood really does cleans the faithful from their sins and partaking of it really does give life as the holy scriptures say yet his blood has absolutely nothing to do with being sinful, just as water has absolutely nothing to do with dirt even though water can wash away dirt. There is no logical link between the blood of Christ and your conclusion that blood (in general) is sinful.

2.Mere blood IS the vector that passes on the sin nature. Notice here that Adam's progeny Seth had not the image of God as his father had before he was corrupted. Now the son inherited dad's own corrupted(sin) nature.

The scriptures do not say that blood is the vector transmitting sin from one generation to the next. In fact the scriptures do not say that sin is transmitted from one generation to the next. The scriptures explicitly tell us that each person shall answer for their own sins and not be held guilty for the sins of their fathers.

Jeremiah 31:30 NIV Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes--his own teeth will be set on edge.​

It is each person's own sins that corrupt them and make them guilty before God.

3.You said that blood is not relevant to Once saved always saved. It is by faith in the( blood that there is remission of sin. By the pure (untainted by the sin nature,) blood of Jesus is the sin of the world blotted out.
4. If it is not about blood and bloodlines, the whole Bible is of no importance.

The scriptures say that it is grace that saves the faithful and that is not something that anybody deserves or inherits. One';s blood cannot condemn you any more than it can save you. It is a serious error to confuse the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ shed for the redemption of his people from the sins with your own blood.

 

[Brighten04]

That does not follow; the Lord's shed blood really does cleans the faithful from their sins and partaking of it really does give life as the holy scriptures say yet his blood has absolutely nothing to do with being sinful, just as water has absolutely nothing to do with dirt even though water can wash away dirt. There is no logical link between the blood of Christ and your conclusion that blood (in general) is sinful.


The scriptures do not say that blood is the vector transmitting sin from one generation to the next. In fact the scriptures do not say that sin is transmitted from one generation to the next. The scriptures explicitly tell us that each person shall answer for their own sins and not be held guilty for the sins of their fathers.

Jeremiah 31:30 NIV Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes--his own teeth will be set on edge.​

It is each person's own sins that corrupt them and make them guilty before God.

The scriptures say that it is grace that saves the faithful and that is not something that anybody deserves or inherits. One';s blood cannot condemn you any more than it can save you. It is a serious error to confuse the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ shed for the redemption of his people from the sins with your own blood.

I know.You did not understand what I wrote. But, you can't, and I understand.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I know.You did not understand what I wrote. But, you can't, and I understand.

Be honest, be frank with me, are you suggesting that I am not a Christian because I do not "see" (meaning agree, because I surely do understand what you've written yet completely reject it as error in doctrine) what you "see" and believe?

 

[Brighten04]

Be honest, be frank with me, are you suggesting that I am not a Christian because I do not "see" (meaning agree, because I surely do understand what you've written yet completely reject it as error in doctrine) what you "see" and believe?

Ok. as you have said.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Ok. as you have said.

How much theology must I pass a test in before I'd qualify as "saved" in your theological world view?

 

[Brighten04]

How much theology must I pass a test in before I'd qualify as "saved" in your theological world view?

Your salvation is between you and Lord Jesus.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Your salvation is between you and Lord Jesus.

I see, but you didn't say that before did you?

 

[Alithis]

Okay, I read them, in fact I wrote them. Now what in those posts indicates a lack of understanding of the precious blood of the Lord Jesus Christ?

for one thing all the quotes of your own you refer to this this post .. have Zero scriptural basis .. you're just disagreeing with the simple clear unambiguous bible based comments because they clearly display the error in rome's teachings about mary .
i encourage you to turn with all your heart back to the straightforward unambiguous word of God and turn away from having faith in rome's erroneous teaching.

love the lord your God with all your hear and mind and strength.. it does not say love rome that way . you have a choice .. believe the lord God or believe rome .. they disagree .. chosoe this day whom you wil serve but as for me and my house -we will serve the LORD
you cannot serve two masters .. you must decide who is master and serve him./

 

[MoreCoffee]

for one thing all the quotes of your own you refer to this this post .. have Zero scriptural basis .. you're just disagreeing with the simple clear unambiguous bible based comments because they clearly display the error in rome's teachings about mary .
i encourage you to turn with all your heart back to the straightforward unambiguous word of God and turn away from having faith in rome's erroneous teaching.

love the lord your God with all your hear and mind and strength.. it does not say love rome that way . you have a choice .. believe the lord God or believe rome .. they disagree .. chosoe this day whom you wil serve but as for me and my house -we will serve the LORD
you cannot serve two masters .. you must decide who is master and serve him./

Okay, show me chapter and verse where holy scripture says sins are inherited through human blood.

 

[Alithis]

That does not follow; the Lord's shed blood really does cleans the faithful from their sins and partaking of it really does give life as the holy scriptures say yet his blood has absolutely nothing to do with being sinful, just as water has absolutely nothing to do with dirt even though water can wash away dirt. There is no logical link between the blood of Christ and your conclusion that blood (in general) is sinful.

The scriptures do not say that blood is the vector transmitting sin from one generation to the next. In fact the scriptures do not say that sin is transmitted from one generation to the next. The scriptures explicitly tell us that each person shall answer for their own sins and not be held guilty for the sins of their fathers.

Jeremiah 31:30 NIV Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes--his own teeth will be set on edge.​

It is each person's own sins that corrupt them and make them guilty before God.

yes it does say that .we have pointed it out to in the plain scriptures .. the blood is the life thereof .. if the life is sinful ... its very clear and plain

The scriptures say that it is grace that saves the faithful and that is not something that anybody deserves or inherits. One';s blood cannot condemn you any more than it can save you. It is a serious error to confuse the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ shed for the redemption of his people from the sins with your own blood.

your inadvertantly misdirecting .. no one said blood condemns you but that it is the source of the taint of sin with which every man is born into the world -again if it is not so .. then ANY man who grew up and did not commit a sin would be suffice to sacrifice on the cross .. but none were .. not even a one day old baby was able to be used as a sacrifice without spot and without blemish .. because by one man ADAM sin entered the human race and we are all tainted with it .. this is why the lord JEsus was born forth of the Holy Ghost and became flesh and has none of the blood of sinful ADAM . and the blood of the womb surrounding him ( the mother ) does NOt mingle with the child .

when you remove ANY of these basics you undermine the truth of the Gospel of the lord JEsus -you are saying man has no need of a saviour because he is born without sin all he need do is commit no sin himself and he will be righteous before God by his own merit and that means the lord jesus lied when he said .. "no man comes to the father but through me ". but he spoke the absolute truth because no man is born without the sinful blood of the line of adam .

 

[MoreCoffee]

sub topic point -

actually the sinful blood of the mother is not passed to the child in the womb...

Blood is no more sinful than water.

What the bold text a typo? Is the bold, underlined, red text not what you meant to say? sinful blood? Where does the bible tell u that blood is sinful? Chapter and verse would be helpful.

 

[Alithis]

Okay, show me chapter and verse where holy scripture says sins are inherited through human blood.

show me a single verse which says any man born off the line of adam is without sin.. and be careful for you may inadvertently attempt to annul the gospel
and wow you do like to ignore the obvious two if us have already shown you the scriptures in regard to that .. "the blood is the life " and nice try twisting the topic to look like an accusation in regard to your christianity .. that's a cheap tactic. i'll ignore it . .

that which is born into the world comes forth from the father who bore it .. if the source of a fountain is tainted then the waters that come from it are tainted .. if a man has sin then that which comes forth from him also has sin.. it is so basic you have to put your fingers in your ears and say ngahh ngahh ngaahh to ignore it .

thus the lord jesus is not born of the blood line of adam .. though he is brought forth from the generational line ..and boer forth from the womb of the tribe of Judah .. he is not of the blood of adam .. he is born of the Holy Spirit and he ALONE .. is born without Sin.. this is what the holy Scriptures say and as long as you suggest mary also was divine, you make the scriptures a lie .

i wont continue this endlessly ..

i know you have heard things that have been hidden from you until this week in your life . you must do right with the truth before God because it is before him we stand at the last day .. not before rome

 

[MoreCoffee]

show me a single verse which says any man born off the line of adam is without sin.. and be careful for you may inadvertently attempt to annul the gospel ...

Will you allow three verses?

 

[MoreCoffee]

show me a single verse which says any man born off the line of adam is without sin.. and be careful for you may inadvertently attempt to annul the gospel ...

Will you allow three verses?

I understand not being too keen to have the verses, I delayed posting them for a while to see if you might remember them for yourself. But that does not appear to be happening so I'll post them for you:

Luke 3:23 NIV Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli, ... Luke 3:38 NIV the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

Hebrews 4:15 NIV For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin.​

Seems that saint Luke and saint Paul (if saint Paul is the author of Hebrews) didn't have any difficulty identifying a man of the line of Adam who is without sin.

 

[Alithis]

I understand not being too keen to have the verses, I delayed posting them for a while to see if you might remember them for yourself. But that does not appear to be happening so I'll post them for you:

Luke 3:23 NIV Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli, ... Luke 3:38 NIV the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

Hebrews 4:15 NIV For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin.​

Seems that saint Luke and saint Paul (if saint Paul is the author of Hebrews) didn't have any difficulty identifying a man of the line of Adam who is without sin.

these verses only agree with what iv said .. the lord jesus ALONE was born without the sin of adam in his veins . these verses are confirming what iv stated ..thanks .

 

[Lamb]

Looks like he is either the second or third soil in the parable. One that looks good at the beginning, but isn't really saved. They are also referred to as tares in another context.

That's not what the parable said. It didn't say "he wasn't really saved". That's twisting what Jesus said.

The Sower Explained

18 “Hear then the parable of the sower. 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road. 20 The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no firm root in himself, but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the [j]word, immediately he [k]falls away. 22 And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the [l]world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 23 And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty.”



Do you not remember that faith brings joy?

 

[MoreCoffee]

show me a single verse which says any man born off the line of adam is without sin.. and be careful for you may inadvertently attempt to annul the gospel ...

Will you allow three verses?

I understand not being too keen to have the verses, I delayed posting them for a while to see if you might remember them for yourself. But that does not appear to be happening so I'll post them for you:

Luke 3:23 NIV Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli, ... Luke 3:38 NIV the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

Hebrews 4:15 NIV For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin.​

Seems that saint Luke and saint Paul (if saint Paul is the author of Hebrews) didn't have any difficulty identifying a man of the line of Adam who is without sin.

these verses only agree with what iv said .. the lord jesus ALONE was born without the sin of adam in his veins . these verses are confirming what iv stated ..thanks .

You asked "show me a single verse which says any man born off the line of adam is without sin" and I did show you a man who was without sin and born of Adam's line. Now you're post tries to wriggle out of it by offering a pretence you said something that you did not in fact say.

 

[Alithis]

You asked "show me a single verse which says any man born off the line of adam is without sin" and I did show you a man who was without sin and born of Adam's line. Now you're post tries to wriggle out of it by offering a pretence you said something that you did not in fact say.

nope you showed me versus of a man born of God by the power of the Holy Spirit who is without sin.. .. not born of the blood of adam .. nice try . but wrong . no man of adamic line fathered the lord JEsus -thus he has none of the sin of Adam in him .He is the only unique son of God son of GOD . he is born without sin -again.. the verses you presented fully support everything iv been saying .