Once saved always saved?

[MoreCoffee]

And why is that a concern of mine?

I wondered that too when you posted "Then he obvious was not born again. Or the Good Shepherd dropped the ball on this one. Or the Father stopped loving His child."

 

[Hammster]

I wondered that too when you posted "Then he obvious was not born again. Or the Good Shepherd dropped the ball on this one. Or the Father stopped loving His child."

And?

 

[MoreCoffee]

And?

And it is interesting to see such certainty about somebody else expressed in your posts a certainty as certain as your own certainty about yourself.

 

[MS140ukn]

lets say you are a Levite Priest walking into the east gate of the Tabernacle toward the Holy of Holies, performing the sacrifice, washing in the lever, entering the Holy place....at what point would you be "saved"? If you sacrificed a lamb but never washed would you still be saved? If you stomped right past the altar, like Uzziah, rushing into the Holy place and grabbing the censor of incense, would you not expect his same fate.

if you do reach the level of understanding where you find the path and follow it, you will be saved, unless you willfully turn back. eh?

 

[Hammster]

And it is interesting to see such certainty about somebody else expressed in your posts a certainty as certain as your own certainty about yourself.

I'm certain about things Jesus said. He said there would be folks that looked saved, but wouldn't be. He also said there would be people who looked saved who would be. John said if they left, they were never of us. I'm not sure why that's complicated.

 

[Alithis]

LOL!:smlove2: That is fair. My definition of a sinner is one who has not been born again. The sinful body is going to be destroyed because of the corruption of sin. But our bodies are not us who have been made new in Christ Jesus. We are spirits. We have a soul, we are housed in a body. The New creature is our spirit man. If any man be in Christ he is a new creature. Old things are passed away, behold all things are become new. We are triune like our Father in heaven. But our souls have been hardwired to this world. That is why Paul says in Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Now renewing our minds is a process.We have been washed in the blood of the crucified Christ. Our Victory is in Him. Christ in us, the hope of Glory! Hallelujah.

sin ... = from the the shooting of an arrow which was imperfect and so sinned from the target and falling short of it into the ground .
as i understand it this is the base meaning of the word sin..

our short falling
our missing the mark

 

[Brighten04]

sin ... = from the the shooting of an arrow which was imperfect and so sinned from the target and falling short of it into the ground .
as i understand it this is the base meaning of the word sin..

our short falling
our missing the mark[/QUOTE
Yes this is the way I learned it also. It took me many years to finally understand what that meant. Our sin is a state of being from conception, because the sin nature is passed down through the seed of our fathers all the way back to Adam. The connection to our Father in Heaven was broken. And we were marked with the big stain of sin.

 

[MoreCoffee]

sin ... = from the the shooting of an arrow which was imperfect and so sinned from the target and falling short of it into the ground .
as i understand it this is the base meaning of the word sin..

our short falling
our missing the mark

Yes this is the way I learned it also. It took me many years to finally understand what that meant. Our sin is a state of being from conception, because the sin nature is passed down through the seed of our fathers all the way back to Adam. The connection to our Father in Heaven was broken. And we were marked with the big stain of sin.

Not our fathers alone but also our mothers. Eve participated in the first sin in the garden too. 1 Timothy 2:13-14 RSV (13) For Adam was formed first, then Eve; (14) and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.

 

[Brighten04]

Not our fathers alone but also our mothers. Eve participated in the first sin in the garden too. 1 Timothy 2:13-14 RSV (13) For Adam was formed first, then Eve; (14) and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.

OK brother, it seems you are being a bit defensive here. There is no need to be. We all know how it all happened. But our Father turned it. The Bible says this.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

See. two different seeds.Through one came sin. Through the other came redemption.

 

[Brighten04]

There is a thing called mental ascent. This is when people have a head knowledge of salvation. People with mental ascent go to church, even agree in their intellect with the gospel. They even go so far as to get baptized, and some even go to seminary and get theology degrees, and write books etc. On the surface they look like good Christians . They are nice, courteous, and some of them live better than real born again Christians. But they are NOT Christians. Being born again is having our hearts circumcised, being baptized in the Holy Spirit. It is a knowing! A deep knowing as intimate as married people know each other in bed. It is all consuming. It is a fire that cleanses our very being.We who have been born again know we have been changed into the image of our Lord Jesus. He fills us up, He gives us His love, His righteousness forever. We will never lose it, and we would never walk away from such perfect love. Our li8fe is in Christ now. We in him, Him in us, His Spirit dwelling in us. Our spirit is awakened, regenerated, restored to sonship. We have a hunger and a thirst for the Word that is all consuming. The things that we used to do we change our attitudes about and leave them by the wayside. We have been washed in the blood of the lamb. Our Lord knows us and He will never allow us to fall below His everlasting arms. He has saved us completely, forever.

 

[Alithis]

Not our fathers alone but also our mothers. Eve participated in the first sin in the garden too. 1 Timothy 2:13-14 RSV (13) For Adam was formed first, then Eve; (14) and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.

sub topic point -

actually the sinful blood of the mother is not passed to the child in the womb . the child in the womb can have a different blood type to the womb in which it is
. this is why the lord Jesus was not born of Adam .
it is supported in scripture" for by one MAN (being adam ) sin entered and is passed down .. and by one man (JESUS) comes redemption." the first is born of the flesh .. the second born of the Holy Spirit
it is why mary was a normal woman born of the sinful blood of Adam as are we all . and in no way devine and in no way needed to be . because the blood of the mother is not transferred to the veins of the child and so the lord JEsus was conceived of the holy Ghost and born forth a man of flesh without adam's (or eves) blood in him..
a lamb with out spot or blemish .

 

[MoreCoffee]

sub topic point -

actually the sinful blood of the mother is not passed to the child in the womb...

Blood is no more sinful than water.

 

[Alithis]

Blood is no more sinful than water.

-the life is in the blood

the blood of your brother cries to me from the ground

since the life is in the blood then the life that sinned had blood tainted with sin. and that is passed from father to child -it is the very reason the lord Jesus had to be born as flesh without a single drop of adamic blood in him.( it is also why we lean toward sin and so become guilty of our own sin as without effort and without remedy and why we even need a saviour ..for it is also written that before christ we are "prisoner to sin..unable to free ourselves )

if it is not so ..then your saying every baby is born "without SIN" which means any child could have been the sacrifice for all ,simply by growing up and not sinning.. but that is impossible because even if they did not wrong ..they carry the blood of adam .. for the child comes forth from the loins of the father . and the sacrifice would be imperfect and inadequate.

but the lord JESUS ALONE --was "born WITHOUT SIN" this is noted i the scriptures for good reason . because the sacrificial lamb of God , by Gods own word had to be without spot of blemish .

if any change any of these foundations..they remove the need of salvation and dishonour the sacrifice the lord JESUS made for us .

 

[MoreCoffee]

since the life is in the blood then the life that sinned had blood tainted with sin. and that is passed from father to child ...

One cannot help but notice how tangled the web is woven from mere blood to sinful acts. It is a small wonder that such reasoning leads to bad theology.

 

[Alithis]

One cannot help but notice how tangled the web is woven from mere blood to sinful acts. It is a small wonder that such reasoning leads to bad theology.

yo don't like basic straight forward bible much do you .. "do not eat the blood for the blood is the life there of " .. if the life is sinful .. and the life is in the blood ,then the blood is sinful .

the lord jesus gave his life for us .. by the shedding of HIs "breath"..mope .. hair ..nope .. skin..nope .. by the shedding of His blood .. for the life is in the blood . his life blood was without sin.

its plain unambiguous scripture- sorry that yet again straightforward scripture annuls the Rcc false teachings on mary .

 

[Brighten04]

One cannot help but notice how tangled the web is woven from mere blood to sinful acts. It is a small wonder that such reasoning leads to bad theology.

Have you been born again?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Have you been born again?

No, I've been born from above; it was Nicodemus who misunderstood the Lord and thought he needed to be born again, he mocked the idea talking about returning to one's mother's womb and being born again but the Lord said to him "In all truth I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above" and after Nicodemus objected the Lord said "In all truth I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born through water and the Spirit; what is born of human nature is human; what is born of the Spirit is spirit".

Isn't this line of questioning straying rather far from the thread's topic? What does it matter if you believe or do not believe that I am "born again"? Clearly human blood, or any other kind of blood, is not the vector transmitting sin as if it were some kind of infection. And blood is irrelevant to the topic of the thread. "Once saved always saved" isn't about blood lines as if one could inherit salvation or condemnation. Salvation is by grace not by what you inherit, right?

 

[Brighten04]

No, I've been born from above; it was Nicodemus who misunderstood the Lord and thought he needed to be born again, he mocked the idea talking about returning to one's mother's womb and being born again but the Lord said to him "In all truth I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above" and after Nicodemus objected the Lord said "In all truth I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born through water and the Spirit; what is born of human nature is human; what is born of the Spirit is spirit".

Isn't this line of questioning straying rather far from the thread's topic? What does it matter if you believe or do not believe that I am "born again"? Clearly human blood, or any other kind of blood, is not the vector transmitting sin as if it were some kind of infection. And blood is irrelevant to the topic of the thread. "Once saved always saved" isn't about blood lines as if one could inherit salvation or condemnation. Salvation is by grace not by what you inherit, right?

I was just wondering. It seems you do not understand the very simple importance of Jesus' blood, why the pure bloodline is important, and how it is by faith in His blood that we have salvation. These are spiritual concepts that cannot be understood by an unregenerate spirit. I was just trying to understand your position, that is all. His blood makes grace possible! It is obvious by your posts that you do not understand this.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I was just wondering. It seems you do not understand the very simple importance of Jesus' blood, why the pure bloodline is important, and how it is by faith in His blood that we have salvation. These are spiritual concepts that cannot be understood by an unregenerate spirit. I was just trying to understand your position, that is all. His blood makes grace possible! It is obvious by your posts that you do not understand this.

Show me in my posts where there is evidence of not understanding the importance of the Lord Jesus Christ's precious blood?

 

[Brighten04]

Read 152,154,and 157.