If the Bible is the only source for God's word, where do pastors get their calling?

[Albion]

So when you say ministry, do you mean that you pastor somewhere at present without having been called by any congregation?

Or do I take it that you "minister" in some other capacity while contemplating or working towards a call from some church? It is none of my business, really, but I'm trying to put together your own statements and the Baptist reply that seems almost too skeptical, even for Baptists.

 

[meluckycharms]

So when you say ministry, do you mean that you pastor somewhere at present without having been called by any congregation?

Or do I take it that you "minister" in some other capacity while contemplating or working towards a call from some church? It is none of my business, really, but I'm trying to put together your own statements and the Baptist reply that seems almost too skeptical, even for Baptists.

I serve in ministry under the direct supervision of the church leadership while I am awaiting ordination and endorsement to be a military chaplain.

 

[meluckycharms]

Here is a link to the forum on Baptist Board that I am referencing so you can see for your self and see the context. Please double check to make sure I did not miss something or take things the wrong way.

https://www.baptistboard.com/index.php?threads/108020/


To the Mod who closed my thread I sent him this message:

"How exactly is asking a legitimate question an "attack on cessationists"? Yet TCassidy is allowed to attack my character by calling me a liar for simply asking a question? Is this not the "other denomination discussion and DEBATE" forum where discussions about charismatic vs cessation can be discussed and debated? I honestly think you made a poor call closing the thread. It only shows that the Baptist Board has weak stomachs for any opposing view.

Are you ever going to respond to TCassidy's "your god" comment? He was basically telling me that I wasn't a Christian!"

Needless to say, I still have yet to get a response. I guess the "other denominations discussion and debate" thread really means "only discuss and debate other denominations. But the Baptist denomination is off the table".

 

[meluckycharms]

Here is a link to the forum on Baptist Board that I am referencing so you can see for your self and see the context. Please double check to make sure I did not miss something or take things the wrong way.

https://www.baptistboard.com/index.php?threads/108020/


To the Mod who closed my thread I sent him this message:

"How exactly is asking a legitimate question an "attack on cessationists"? Yet TCassidy is allowed to attack my character by calling me a liar for simply asking a question? Is this not the "other denomination discussion and DEBATE" forum where discussions about charismatic vs cessation can be discussed and debated? I honestly think you made a poor call closing the thread. It only shows that the Baptist Board has weak stomachs for any opposing view.

Are you ever going to respond to TCassidy's "your god" comment? He was basically telling me that I wasn't a Christian!"

Needless to say, I still have yet to get a response. I guess the "other denominations discussion and debate" thread really means "only discuss and debate other denominations. But the Baptist denomination is off the table".

Here is the other thread where I was mocked because of my calling. It begins around post 100. My username is Delizzle.

https://www.baptistboard.com/index.php?threads/107989/

 

[atpollard]

Just a side observation ...

... all boards take on the personality of their Administrator. It is unavoidable since the Administrator appoints 'like-minded' moderators and has the final word in what is allowed and what is forbidden (as well as who). This is not completely unfair since the Administrator is typically paying the majority share of the bills to maintain the site. I tend to view it as a "your house, your rules" sort of thing.

TCassidy is the Administrator at that forum. That it reflects his personality should not be a complete surprise.

[As someone who has recently returned to attending a Southern Baptist Church from a 'Calvary Chapel' megachurch, I am glad that Mr Cassidy is not MY Baptist pastor.]

 

[psalms 91]

Sure, but if you're talking with someone who believes the gifts have ceased the chances are they would just write off anything like that as being delusions of some form or another.

Terue but they also ignore the Word of God and I feel sorry for them because they have just limited God in how He can communicate with them. I know that it is real although I am sure there are those who would say it was imagination or something even worse btu ZI know what is true and that is all that matters

 

[meluckycharms]

Just a side observation ...

... all boards take on the personality of their Administrator. It is unavoidable since the Administrator appoints 'like-minded' moderators and has the final word in what is allowed and what is forbidden (as well as who). This is not completely unfair since the Administrator is typically paying the majority share of the bills to maintain the site. I tend to view it as a "your house, your rules" sort of thing.

TCassidy is the Administrator at that forum. That it reflects his personality should not be a complete surprise.

[As someone who has recently returned to attending a Southern Baptist Church from a 'Calvary Chapel' megachurch, I am glad that Mr Cassidy is not MY Baptist pastor.]

Thank you so much! My single greatest fear in ministry is false teaching because I know I will be held accountable for it. So when I had so many people telling me that I wasn't Christian and I worshiped "a false gospel and a false god", it made me very nervous. I had to pray and do a heart check several times.

 

[tango]

Exactly what I saw on the Baptist Board. I told them God called me to ministry via a vision and they mocked me as another "self appointed minister".

The trouble is that if all you have is "God called me via a vision" and that vision has yet to be tested, affirmed etc then it's hard to differentiate between the person who is preparing to test the calling to make sure it is from God, and the person who is knocking on the doors of churches expecting to be taken on as a pastor.

As Albion said, if you're ministering in some capacity pending your calling being affirmed that's a very different proposition to trying to lead a church based on a single dream and nothing more.

 

[tango]

Terue but they also ignore the Word of God and I feel sorry for them because they have just limited God in how He can communicate with them. I know that it is real although I am sure there are those who would say it was imagination or something even worse btu ZI know what is true and that is all that matters

The trouble is that as soon as you start saying "they ignore the Word of God" you instantly oversimplify an issue that, to many concerned, is anything but simple. There are many people whose belief system is little more than what their pastor once said from the pulpit, in which case you start dealing with little more than tribal positions that are unlikely to change unless something happens to shake their faith. On the other hand there are many people who, after detailed study of Scripture, draw a conclusion that is very different to what you or I might conclude.

Personally I think the calling in 1Th 5 strikes a balance as it combines "do not despise prophecy" and "do not quench the Spirit" with "test all things". If we go too far one way we end up with the silly fringes of the hypercharismatic church that throws discernment out of the window in its rush to declare everything "prophetic" or "anointed" or some such. If we go too far the other way we quench the Spirit and ignore God attempting to communicate with us.

 

[MennoSota]

Here is a link to the forum on Baptist Board that I am referencing so you can see for your self and see the context. Please double check to make sure I did not miss something or take things the wrong way.

https://www.baptistboard.com/index.php?threads/108020/


To the Mod who closed my thread I sent him this message:

"How exactly is asking a legitimate question an "attack on cessationists"? Yet TCassidy is allowed to attack my character by calling me a liar for simply asking a question? Is this not the "other denomination discussion and DEBATE" forum where discussions about charismatic vs cessation can be discussed and debated? I honestly think you made a poor call closing the thread. It only shows that the Baptist Board has weak stomachs for any opposing view.

Are you ever going to respond to TCassidy's "your god" comment? He was basically telling me that I wasn't a Christian!"

Needless to say, I still have yet to get a response. I guess the "other denominations discussion and debate" thread really means "only discuss and debate other denominations. But the Baptist denomination is off the table".

If it makes you feel better, I was banned from the BB for referring to DJT as the Oompa Loompa. Mr Cassidy owns that site so you don't mess with his unique grumpiness.

 

[Josiah]

CH is a wonderful site....

 

[Andrew]

They got their calling from the word

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[meluckycharms]

If it makes you feel better, I was banned from the BB for referring to DJT as the Oompa Loompa. Mr Cassidy owns that site so you don't mess with his unique grumpiness.

Wow! If you got banned then that says a lot about the forum. No offense intended. I just know that you and I had some very "heart felt" conversations in the past. It means a lot that you got my back. Thank you.

 

[MennoSota]

CH is a wonderful site....

Well...it has a much more "liberal" definition of "Christian" than the BB. There are some good people at the BB, but don't go against their redneck, gun toting, all-american right to support the Oompa Loompa. And don't say anything against Texas...

 

[meluckycharms]

Well...it has a much more "liberal" definition of "Christian" than the BB. There are some good people at the BB, but don't go against their redneck, gun toting, all-american right to support the Oompa Loompa. And don't say anything against Texas...

You mess with Texas and that's where I draw the line.

 

[Albion]

Here is the other thread where I was mocked because of my calling. It begins around post 100. My username is Delizzle.

https://www.baptistboard.com/index.php?threads/107989/

I think I follow the discussion both there and here, but what church, which denomination, are we talking about ordaining you? Knowing that would probably help to put things in perspective.

 

[Lamb]

Some thoughts....


1. No Protestant claims that the Bible is the whole of the Word of God. The Bible is the WRITTEN word of God. I realize Protestants (like the Bible itself) sometimes speaks of the Bible as "the Word" but actually it's not the whole of it, it's the WRITTEN Word.


2. No Protestant claims that the Bible contains the whole of God's Revelation. The Bible itself states, "The heavens declare the glory of God." What Protestants claim is that the words of the Bible are the "sole rule and norm" for DOGMA. Huge difference there. Illustation: In California, there is a Driver's Handbook which all drivers here are to be familiar (we aren't expected to know ALL laws), and disputes about our driving will be normed by the words in that Handbook. No one claims that that handbook contains all the Laws of the world (not even all the driving laws of California) but it IS the sole rule and norm for disputes about driving in this state. Sola Scriptura has to do with ARBITRATION of disputed dogmas among us - and addresses the second of the parts of arbitration, namely, what will serve as the rule/norma normans.


3. God certainly "leads" individuals. He may do it by opening some doors and closing others, He may do so through the counsel trusted believers give us, etc., etc., etc. It is of course subjective since it's not in objective, unchangable, black-and-white words He places on the pages of a book. But all Christians believe He can and does so lead, just that such isn't the norma normans for Dogma and that such is quite subjective.


4. In Lutheran theology, one may FEEL a SUBJECTIVE "call" from the Lord for ministry. That is passionately affirmed. HOWEVER, we argue that one does not HAVE a Call until a congregation extends one to them, thus we speak of "I have a Call from God via St. Paul's Lutheran Church of Salem, Oregon." Otherwise, he is "awaiting" a Call.



Thank you.


A blessed Lenten season to all....



- Josiah

Meluckycharms, I was going to respond (I tend to read backwards through threads) and then came across Josiah's post and it says exactly what I wanted to say.

I'm sorry you had a tough time at that other site and I can see how they didn't understand some of what you were trying to ask and took it personally. It happens a lot on sites where someone misconstrues the intent of a question and then many others follow along that path and maybe one other MIGHT see the original intent but by then the implosion of the thread has occurred. By then you can't get the thread to turn around.

You felt a call by God so go explore that If you're put into a position in ministry after education (even the disciples had 3 years of training) then you know the call was valid by God.