Why do some Christians believe Hell is an invention?

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I remember hearing a Priest or a Bishop say that Hell was invented by the Clergy to scare people lol.
 

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I don't know the answer to your question, George, but I am aware that Eastern Orthodox theology holds open the possibility that there is no such thing as hell.

In the Western churches, the statement would be shocking (unless we were speaking of some ultraliberal denomination like the Unitarians), but I know that it is not so among Orthodox Christians. WHY they think there is no hell, considering the many references in Scripture, I'm not entirely sure.
 

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Liberal: "There ain't no hell."
Conservative: "The hell there ain't!"
 

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I am aware that Eastern Orthodox theology holds open the possibility that there is no such thing as hell.


Really? Tell me more....
 

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Jesus talks about hell. Christians usually think he knew what he's talking about. There are lots of unconventional opinions: that hell is a symbol for destruction, that no one ends up there forever, etc. But it's hard to deny that Jesus speaks of judgement in some form.

The idea that hell was invented to control people is part of a skeptical attack on Christianity. There are a few priests who hold all kinds of weird views, but this isn't something even liberal theologians normally claim. In fact we know where the idea of hell came from. It came from OT ideas of judgement, possibly with influences from other religions, and with post-OT Jewish development. But judgement was originally a good thing. It means that God will not tolerate evil forever. Just exactly what he does to get rid of it is subject to discussion, but that basic motivation is not cynical.
 
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It is common in Roman Catholic circles that Hell is a "state of being" and not a physical place.
 
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And that is what the RCC says about Heaven and Purgatory also. In fact, I would hazard a guess that most Christians hold that same view.
 

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Death and Hell will be thrown into the lake of fire.... There must be a difference between them all, I see the lake of fire as the ultimate doom where gnashing of teeth and such occur, the ultimate end?

(lol here we go again Albion)

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Also I have been reading the book of enoch. Wow, amazing how it describes the Son of man and his mission!
but just before that it does talk about hell being a very real place until the time of judgment, thats where I am at in the book, but I gather from the word as with the book of enoch that hell is temporary and the lake of fire is something very different, and hell and death are thrown into it, so eternal hell and death depends on what the lake actually is or means. I still see the fire as the eternal love of God consuming and destroying all impurities and evil
 

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It is worthwhile noting that "hell" never occurs in the Bible, not even once, not ever. Hell is a translator's word that is used in place of three concepts --- Sheole, Ghenna and Hades. None of these three are equivalent to hell. The true architect of hell is the Italian poet Dante in his "Divine Comedy" who constructed it using lurid medieval imagery.

As human beings we are bounded in both time and place. That is to say, we are finite. On the other hand we think of God as completely unbounded. God exists outside of both time and space. God is present everywhere and at all times. That is to say, God is infinite. This is the orthodox theistic understanding of God. To compare the finite to the infinite is beyond our human comprehension. Even to compare a grain of sand to Mount Everest falls far, far, far short. All of this brings up a number of questions in my mind.

The first question being “How is it even possible for a finite creature to offend an infinite God?” Could a grain of sand offend Mount Everest?

The second question being “Even if it were possible for the finite to offend the infinite, would the infinite punishment of a finite creature be just?” I will attempt to craft an analogy. You are in a park enjoying a picnic lunch when you glance down and notice an ant crawling across your sandwich. You are offended. How do you react? You have a number of options. You could ignore the ant. You could brush the ant away. You could move to a different location. You could kill the ant. You could kill the entire ant colony. You could capture the ant and confine it and proceed to torture it for several weeks until it finally dies. That last option is quite inadequate as a comparison to hell because hell is infinite in duration whereas the ant can only be tortured for a finite length of time.

To me the concept of hell flies in the face of any concept of a just and compassionate God. Hell would seem to be an entirely human invention based on a vindictive concept of retributory justice. Perhaps we have the wrong idea of hell. Perhaps we have the wrong idea of justice. Perhaps we have the wrong idea of God. I completely reject the concept of hell as it is traditionally understood in most Christian churches.
 
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The second question being “Even if it were possible for the finite to offend the infinite, would the infinite punishment of a finite creature be just?” I will attempt to craft an analogy. You are in a park enjoying a picnic lunch when you glance down and notice an ant crawling across your sandwich. You are offended. How do you react? You have a number of options. You could ignore the ant. You could brush the ant away. You could move to a different location. You could kill the ant. You could kill the entire ant colony. You could capture the ant and confine it and proceed to torture it for several weeks until it finally dies. That last option is quite inadequate as a comparison to hell because hell is infinite in duration whereas the ant can only be tortured for a finite length of time.

This is very similar to the concerns a Jewish guy I knew some time back raised about the idea of hell. As a Jew he obviously had fairly strong views on the likes of Adolf Hitler, but his comment was that even when dealing with a tyrant like Hitler one has to ask when he has been adequately punished. If he were to suffer for 6 million years that would be one year per Jew his regime killed - is that enough? If not, what about 6 billion years, or 6 trillion years? If he suffered for one million years for every Jew he had killed, is that sufficient punishment? Where would the concept of justice say that punishment had been served?

To me the concept of hell flies in the face of any concept of a just and compassionate God. Hell would seem to be an entirely human invention based on a vindictive concept of retributory justice. Perhaps we have the wrong idea of hell. Perhaps we have the wrong idea of justice. Perhaps we have the wrong idea of God. I completely reject the concept of hell as it is traditionally understood in most Christian churches.

The notion of being burned alive while demons poke you with tridents is something that seems to fly in the face of the very concept of a loving God. Many people think of hell as a place of torture, when perhaps a better word to use would be torment. If people decide they want to spend eternity with God, they get their wish. If they decide to spend eternity without God, they get their wish. They may not like the place where God has completely withdrawn but they get their wish.

Adopting teachings along the lines of various forms of universalism provide some means to address the questions of the fate of those who die in infancy, those who die having never heard the Gospel and so on. Those who believe in everything being fully predestined ultimately have to end up with a form of universalism or a rewrite of Scripture (e.g. "for God so loved the few that he gave his only begotten Son so those predestined should not perish but have everlasting life"). Some might argue that what Paul wrote in 1Co 3 about Jesus being the cornerstone and us building on that foundation lays a - ahem - foundation for a theology of universalism, in that our works are tested and either result in us receiving a reward or escaping as if through fire.

What Jesus said about everlasting punishment (e.g. in the passage about "when you did it not unto the least of these") doesn't sit very well with the idea of everybody going to heaven but it does leave open a lot of possibilities as to just what this everlasting punishment might look like.
 
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