Marriage

[psalms 91]

It seems that a hot button topic is same sex marriage. I am curuious how others view this. My personal view is that it between a man and a woman and that same sex is sinful and against Gods word

 

[GuusVA]

Well my opinion is the same, and also I don't think any true christian can be gay, because God takes the feelings away. I've read a lot of testimonies about this and I do know a few myself. It doesn't happen overnight but it does happen. The bible is pretty clear on the topic..

 

[Josiah]

I'm not opposed to the GOVERNMENT acknowledging PERSONAL CIVIL CORPORATIONS (sometimes called "civil unions") or even granting such all the same SECULAR "perks" of marriage. But I oppose a single, unaccountable, unelected judge undermining an ANCIENT, UNIVERSAL, GOD - ORDAINED institution that is much, much older and broader than that one man (or even the USA), thrashing that because he FEELS something. Marriage is, was and always will be the spiritual, personal, physical, familial and religious union of one man and one woman.

The root of the problem, IMO, is that our society has allowed the SECULAR GOVERNMENT to take over this ancient, universal, familial, religious institution (mostly so we can save on some taxes).... we've handed this over to the state, and how reaping the consequences. Marriage is NONE OF THE BUSINESS of the secular government (much less ONE individual, unelected, unaccountable, American man)... but we made it so, and now we have to leave with that. I think it would have been better to MAYBE pay a few more dollars in income and inheritance taxes - and kept the SECULAR government out of this - but oh well.


- Josiah

 

[MoreCoffee]

It seems that a hot button topic is same sex marriage. I am curuious how others view this. My personal view is that it between a man and a woman and that same sex is sinful and against Gods word

Civil laws need not follow Christian moral teaching. In our democracies they tend not to. Same sex marriage is a civil matter. Churches need not follow the civil law in this matter. My Church will not.

 

[ValleyGal]

I agree, MoreCoffee. I think one of the reasons non-believers hate us is that we try to force God's standards on those who reject God and his standards. I believe that for those who are not practicing Christians, let them marry. As for those who are, it is not up to us to pass judgement since we all have our own besetting sins to deal with. It is up to the Spirit to convince them of their sin, not us, and often there are "worse" or other sins people need to deal with before they can deal with their homosexuality.

The reason I hold this view is experience. I smoked for 20 years. For me, it was not "sin" until the Spirit spoke to me that indeed, I was polluting his temple. By that time, I had been a Christian for a decade. Is harming my body in that way any worse than a gay person "harming" themselves by their sex lives? I don't think so. I will not judge them, and believe that if they are believers, God will convince them of their sin, just as he convinced me of mine.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I wish no ill will on same sex couples and I do not begrudge them their civil marriages and if some denominations want to bless them then that is their affair. My church will not.

 

[Hebrews 11]

Well our government has finally changed the meaning of marriage,and another sign of turning away from God has been made law.

That being said for a long time I personally have had issues with marriage licenses.

Their implementation was for racists reasons,and they give the state authority in family matters.

We are bound in a 3 way covenant that can allow legally a child to have a abortion without telling parents.

Now I suppose besides wedding cakes ,weddings of same sex couples will be demanded of Churches.

Personally I do not have any malice toward homosexuals other than knowing they need salvation.

I bet if there was a survey more people practice idolatry in some form or fashion as well as other forms of sin than homosexuality.

I had a very serious talk with a African midwife who is Spirit filled,she imparted reasoning for homosexuality to me.

She has delivered 200 babies,and has great insight on the dynamics of parental curses brought on their children.

 

[psalms 91]

Civil laws need not follow Christian moral teaching. In our democracies they tend not to. Same sex marriage is a civil matter. Churches need not follow the civil law in this matter. My Church will not.

I pray not although many have followed and it is only a matter of time before some pastor fwets sued for not performing a marriage that goes against his beliefs. This is a sad state of affairs

 

[Hebrews 11]

I pray not although many have followed and it is only a matter of time before some pastor fwets sued for not performing a marriage that goes against his beliefs. This is a sad state of affairs

Americans could indeed benefit from demanding our rights under the constitution.

It starts with We the People,not us the few.

 

[tango]

It seems that a hot button topic is same sex marriage. I am curuious how others view this. My personal view is that it between a man and a woman and that same sex is sinful and against Gods word

I think that homosexual activity is sinful. I stress "homosexual activity" because I can't see homosexual desires as being any more sinful than me as a married man being attracted to other women.

Marriage is a tricky issue, not least because it means two different things and they inevitably overlap since the same word describes them both.

The first is a sacred covenant before God, whereby God blesses a couple and honors their commitment to each other and to him. God is quite capable of deciding who he will and will not bless, and whether God will bless a monogamous same-sex couple isn't a function of what word we happen to use to describe their relationship.

The second is a secular contract before a secular government where people exchange secular commitments for secular benefits. I see no reason why two or more people shouldn't enter into such a contract, regardless of their genders and regardless of whether their relationship is sexual or not. In theory I see no reason why, for example, my wife and I should not enter into such a relationship with my best friend and his wife - under such an arrangement the four of us would be considered one entity in the eyes of the law, we could file a joint tax return between all four of us, we would have automatic custody of their children if anything happened to them, inheritance within the group would be automatic and so on. As for who is having sex with who within the group, that's nobody else's business.

 

[visionary]

I think that to resolve the conflict all believers who are married to the opposite sex before God should from this day forward call it "Holy Matrimony" and disassociate from the idea that civil "marriage" as biblical.

 

[psalms 91]

civil marriage only legimizes it with the state, it is the vows we take before God that will make a marriage holy providing we keep them

 

[visionary]

In other words, let those who want "marriage" as defined by the civil authorities have it. Let believers have "Holy Matrimony" signifying the union before God.

 

[psalms 91]

In other words, let those who want "marriage" as defined by the civil authorities have it. Let believers have "Holy Matrimony" signifying the union before God.

Exactly! I have no problem with this as long as religious leaders are not forced to perform those weddings

 

[visionary]

It will reveal the convictions of the religious leaders.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes and denominations, quite a few have already accepted this and lends credence to a time will come when evil isd good and good is evil

 

[Brighten04]

exactly! I have no problem with this as long as religious leaders are not forced to perform those weddings

amen!

 

[ValleyGal]

What I am going to say is always controversial, but I'm going to say it anyway. Gay people can be Christians too, although their struggles are just different than a heterosexual person's. Would you rather see a Christian gay person who is committed to their spouse, or all the pastors, religious leaders and Christian men who are on that "adultery" site that got hacked?

I think when we get to heaven, we will be very surprised by those who are there and those who are not. Imo, struggling with same-sex sexuality is very similar to even things like smoking - as a smoker, there were things in my spirit that God had to clean up before he addressed my smoking. In the same way, there are gay people who God will deal with in his own way and at his own time. Meanwhile, who are we to deprive them of their right to marry? As long as pastors have the right to decline marrying gay couples, I see no problem with surrendering the gay issue to God the same way we surrender the drug issue to God, or personal sins such as smoking, adultery, etc. After all, all sin rises out of character defects, and we all have them.

 

[psalms 91]

Americans could indeed benefit from demanding our rights under the constitution.

It starts with We the People,not us the few.

I agree burt not any mopre. Now wrong is right and right is wrong.

 

[Krissy Cakes]

It seems that a hot button topic is same sex marriage. I am curuious how others view this. My personal view is that it between a man and a woman and that same sex is sinful and against Gods word

Agree, its this way or nothing.