Be good or you won't get into heaven

[Lamb]

And like I said I don't know anyone who thinks they have gotten rid of their sin

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Oh we had a member or two on here at one point who thought they had done it.

 

[Lamb]

I think the bible makes clear that certain sins wont enter heaven, that is not debateable as it is spelled out.

If we reject the Savior we won't get into heaven. If we don't believe that's rejection of the Savior. Other than that, all our sins were forgiven at the cross. As a believer you're covered by the righteousness of Christ and this not of yourself.

 

[Imalive]

If we reject the Savior we won't get into heaven. If we don't believe that's rejection of the Savior. Other than that, all our sins were forgiven at the cross. As a believer you're covered by the righteousness of Christ and this not of yourself.

Yes our sins are forgiven, but if we sin now we still have to confess them and ask Him to forgive us and cleanse us and our conscience and go on and ask Him to help us and work it in us and our spirit is made holy at once already.
What about someone who is living in fornication or married to someone from the same sex, no intention of repenting or on drugs or continually drinking, all those things Paul warns us for, dont be mislead? If you live in sin and backslid you need to hear the truth and repent. Happens here all the time. Fell for it myself. You want a partner. You cant have a partner unless you put em above God and go sin, cause the holy guys are married and you're in danger of hell and everybody is too freakin lazy to warn you.

 

[Lamb]

Yes our sins are forgiven, but if we sin now we still have to confess them and ask Him to forgive us and cleanse us and our conscience and go on and ask Him to help us and work it in us and our spirit is made holy at once already.
What about someone who is living in fornication or married to someone from the same sex, no intention of repenting or on drugs or continually drinking, all those things Paul warns us for, dont be mislead? If you live in sin and backslid you need to hear the truth and repent. Happens here all the time. Fell for it myself. You want a partner. You cant have a partner unless you put em above God and go sin, cause the holy guys are married and you're in danger of hell and everybody is too freakin lazy to warn you.

The Law should be given to those who are confident in their sins. That's a different story. That's not what this thread is about.

This thread is about those who are so fearful that if they do sin that they won't get into heaven. And those think they stopped sinning and that gets them into heaven.

 

[psalms 91]

If we reject the Savior we won't get into heaven. If we don't believe that's rejection of the Savior. Other than that, all our sins were forgiven at the cross. As a believer you're covered by the righteousness of Christ and this not of yourself.

Seems to mke that I remember a verse that spells out certain sins that cant enter heaven, Do you? Yes all can be forgiven but we have to confess and ask or is thta not mentioned in scripture?

 

[Lamb]

I think avoiding certain sin and doing what 1 John 9-10 tells us will

Yes if we do sin and confess to the Savior we will be forgiven because that sin was forgiven at the cross.

What do you mean avoiding certain sin? Do you think if you're avoiding certain sin that you're getting into heaven because of that?

 

[Lamb]

Seems to mke that I remember a verse that spells out certain sins that cant enter heaven, Do you? Yes all can be forgiven but we have to confess and ask or is thta not mentioned in scripture?

My sins were forgiven before I was born. I trust in that. Jesus isn't dying every time I sin just so he can forgive me them. I confess my sins because God's Law brings me to contrition and I am sorry that I committed them. God is merciful and won't leave me in despair so He gives me forgiveness...the same forgiveness won at the cross.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes if we do sin and confess to the Savior we will be forgiven because that sin was forgiven at the cross.

What do you mean avoiding certain sin? Do you think if you're avoiding certain sin that you're getting into heaven because of that?

I think the sins mentioned as keeping one out of heaven will most certainly keep you out if not forgiven (repented of, asked for,) those pesky works that keep creeping in

 

[Lamb]

I think the sins mentioned as keeping one out of heaven will most certainly keep you out if not forgiven (repented of, asked for,) those pesky works that keep creeping in

The unforgiveable sin is against the Holy Spirit and is a rejection of Him. Is that what you're referring to? How does works fit in with that. You lost me.

 

[Josiah]

Be good or you won't get into heaven. Have you heard that one? I've heard it...on plenty of Christian sites. I see people preaching Christ and then turn around and say But if you have to stop sinning or you won't get into heaven. Isn't that a contradiction? Are you relying on Jesus or are you relying on your ability to stop sinning for heaven?

Just one of the MANY terrible things when Law and Gospel are confused.....

 

[psalms 91]

The unforgiveable sin is against the Holy Spirit and is a rejection of Him. Is that what you're referring to? How does works fit in with that. You lost me.

Nope the bible in a verse in the New Testament mentions certain sins that it says will not enter heaven

 

[Lamb]

Nope the bible in a verse in the New Testament mentions certain sins that it says will not enter heaven

Could you post it then?

 

[Josiah]

Nope the bible in a verse in the New Testament mentions certain sins that it says will not enter heaven

Again, there's a Law/Gospel distinction here..... Is the verse you might quote given as Law or Gospel? Is it addressing the issues of Justification or Sanctification? Context is everything.....


I don't think what we do or don't do has a thing to do with justification; if it did, even 0.000000000000001%, then Jesus wouldn't be the Savior, self would be. BUT I do think it's possible to commit spiritual suicide, to wreck our faith. Bonhoeffer wrote about this with solid wisdom and insight as he spoke of "making grace cheap." But that's another subject for another thread....



- Josiah

 

[Lamb]

I agree, Josiah that it's a big Law and Gospel issue! Our obeying the Law isn't going to save us!

 

[Imalive]

The Law should be given to those who are confident in their sins. That's a different story. That's not what this thread is about.

This thread is about those who are so fearful that if they do sin that they won't get into heaven. And those think they stopped sinning and that gets them into heaven.

It should be given to everyone, so that you don't become confident in your sins and it should Always be added that if you're not living in sin and living in sin is not that you do a sin sometimes, then there's all the verses that God will keep you safe and complete the work He started in you. Just both is needed.
When I was just saved I felt like God hated me all the time, but that preacher was warning a guy who was just having sex w the whole world and didnt care and I thought he was talking to me, because I got mad the day before and said sorry to God not good enough to my idea.
Some ppl really achieved that, not sinning, Enoch, Elijah, it got em into heaven. LOLOLOL but the ones who say they achieved it too and then act like a jerk, yeah right.

 

[psalms 91]

Could you post it then?

Sorry cant find it right now but I have a feeling that Josiah knows what I am talking about

 

[Imalive]

Sorry cant find it right now but I have a feeling that Josiah knows what I am talking about

Galatians 5:19, still know it from my head from my first church. Hed say that every week. hookery uncleanness drunkenness brassing hate envy fights strive. My goodness years later I got taught there was also a verse 22.

 

[Lamb]

but the ones who say they achieved it too and then act like a jerk, yeah right.

Oh, I've come across those on the net and they refuse to believe they're anything but perfect no matter their behavior!

 

[Lamb]

Galatians 5:19, still know it from my head from my first church. Hed say that every week. hookery uncleanness drunkenness brassing hate envy fights strive. My goodness years later I got taught there was also a verse 22.

Earlier in Galatians it says, You who are trying to be declared righteous by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace! and this For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait expectantly for the hope of righteousness.

Do you see the preaching of Law and Gospel where it's necessary?

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

What do you make of that statement? Obviously we cannot BE perfect in the way that the Father is. So what can it mean?

It lies in the meaning of "perfect":

STRONGS NT 5046: τέλειος (teleios) - ...of mind and character, one who has reached the proper height of virtue and integrity: Matthew 5:48; Matthew 19:21
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G5046&t=KJV

I'm sure there are sources other than/better than Strong's, but that's all I have in front of me at the moment. I'll look a bit more at it later