The Bold words show me she was only referring to SOME ppl's beliefs/practices, not all of the professing church.
Not connected to the community.
Not connected to the community.
The Christian community, the visible church, the congregation, the assembly spoken of in Scripture.
There's no assumption involved. The church was a visible organization in the first century.
Baptism does that.
Not connected to the community.
Not connected to the community.
The Christian community, the visible church, the congregation, the assembly spoken of in Scripture.
There's no assumption involved. The church was a visible organization in the first century.
Baptism does that.
You persist in describing "the church" as the invisible sum of all true believers of every place and time who are known only to God. I was referring to the visible church, the congregation, in which the Gospel is preached, the sacraments administered, and fellowship realized. The Bible teaches us that we are meant to be part of the church by both of these meanings of the word.
Of course. That is the sacrament by which a person becomes a member of the visible church of Christ.
I didn't say anything about being saved by Baptism.
Being saved is synonymous with being a member of the church. When you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, you're saved, that makes you a member of the body of Christ.
No, it's not. It merely means that you are a member (in addition to receiving the benefits that any sacrament brings). A church member certainly can wind up in hell.
I think that he meant the institutional church, but that was before there were the denominations that later developed. He, as a Catholic, probably did have in mind the Roman Catholic Church since that church insists that the one founded by Christ was the RCC and that all others stemmed off from it later on.
Yes, I would agree. However I would have to add that Scripture teaches that we all are expected to be part of a visible church and are not in accord with the Lord's instructions if we choose not to do that.
That doesn't make the church inoperable, you know. And you cannot replace what the visible church does if you 'go it alone.'
The apostles and Luke gave us 27 books. From there Christianity spreads to all directions of the wind. Both Christians and non-Christians wrote. There is enough quotation of the New Testament that even if the books of the Bible were not in existence, we could compile the scriptures through the early Christians quotation. It is a fallacy to imagine that the years between 100 CE and 350 CE were silent. Just as we have both solid and crazy preaching today, so we had solid and crazy preaching in that era. A person could spend their entire life studying these early writings.
Youre going to have to present something from other than some extremist splinter group if the opinion of almost all churches is to be overruled.
Islam based most if not all Christianity from the gnostic gospels... Talking baby Jesus, substitute on the cross.. Very weird stuff but its all there and its exactly what the Apostles preached about false doctrines coming into the church, I actually read them and supposably the god that walked in the garden was a deaf and dumb god (or devil) and the serpent in the tree was the hero
Gnosticism is also what witches believe no wonder why so much persecution took place in the early church, we may have all been duked into this unseen power coming in. If you think about it, Islam is all for severe punishing and death to all that dont follow their law and are definitely against grace and all Christianity no matter how we may sugar coat it, or some may, but just because good people get suckered into a false system does not mean that the system is ok for our "PC" culture, there really is no better solution than to continue the conversions of heathens
Islam based most if not all Christianity from the gnostic gospels... Talking baby Jesus, substitute on the cross.. Very weird stuff but its all there and its exactly what the Apostles preached about false doctrines coming into the church, I actually read them and supposably the god that walked in the garden was a deaf and dumb god (or devil) and the serpent in the tree was the hero
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I dont mind saying "God bless" to muslim store clerks. I talked to a muslim once about God and he told me that we are at one side of this plain (point) and they are at the other (point) and that we serve the same God above (up and in the middle) creating a triangle, he said that this is an old mans world with old rules... He doesnt devote himself to the religious customs and says that in his home town in the middle east you cant even tell the difference between Muslim Jew and Christian, thought that was interesting and yes its all about interpretation and understanding for these "potential converts" as I call them
I dont mind saying "God bless" to muslim store clerks. I talked to a muslim once about God and he told me that we are at one side of this plain (point) and they are at the other (point) and that we serve the same God above (up and in the middle) creating a triangle, he said that this is an old mans world with old rules... He doesnt devote himself to the religious customs and says that in his home town in the middle east you cant even tell the difference between Muslim Jew and Christian, thought that was interesting and yes its all about interpretation and understanding for these "potential converts" as I call them
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