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For whatever reason, the verses you posted seem to have some typos.

Just letting you know.
It's from a website called Biblehub.com It's likely footnote links that I didn't notice when I copied and pasted.
 

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It's from a website called Biblehub.com It's likely footnote links that I didn't notice when I copied and pasted.
Yeah, I figured it was something along those lines. Bible offline works well enough for me. I don't know if it is only a phone app though.
 

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Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and we were all made to drink of one Spirit

If the foot were to say, 'Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body', that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear were to say, 'Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body', that would not make it any less a part of the body.

On the contrary, the members of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and those members of the body that we think less honourable we clothe with greater honour, and our less respectable members are treated with greater respect; 24 whereas our more respectable members do not need this.

Equal means various things. Which definition are you using?
 

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Equal means various things. Which definition are you using?
A foot isn't a hand but the body isn't complete without either.

noun

1.

a person or thing considered to be the same as another in status or quality.

"we all treat each other as equals"

synonyms:equivalent,*peer,*fellow,*coequal,*like;

counterpart,*match,*parallel

"they did not treat him as their equal"
 

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Wait!What?

Dictionaries say things like this when defining the word "equal"
equal
adjective: equal

1.
being the same in quantity, size, degree, or value.
"add equal amounts of water and flour"
synonyms: identical, uniform, alike, like, the same, one and the same, equivalent, indistinguishable; More
matching, twin;
comparable, similar, corresponding, correspondent, commensurate
"two lines of equal length"
equivalent, identical, amounting;
proportionate, tantamount;
the same as, commensurate with, on a par with
"fares were equal to a fortnight's wages for a skilled craftsman"
antonyms: unequal, different, more than, less than
(of people) having the same status, rights, or opportunities.
"people are born free and equal"
uniform in application or effect; without discrimination on any grounds.
"a dedicated campaigner for equal rights"
synonyms: unbiased, impartial, non-partisan, fair, fair-minded, just, even-handed, equitable; More
unprejudiced, unbigoted, non-discriminatory, free from discrimination, egalitarian;
neutral, objective, disinterested, without fear or favour
"the right to equal treatment before the law"
antonyms: unequal, discriminatory
evenly or fairly balanced.
"it was hardly an equal contest"
synonyms: evenly matched, evenly balanced, even, balanced, level, evenly proportioned, well matched, on a par, on an equal footing; More
informalfifty-fifty, level pegging, neck and neck
"a fair and equal contest"
antonyms: uneven, unequal
2.
having the ability or resources to meet (a challenge).
"the players proved equal to the task"
synonyms: capable of, fit for, up to, good/strong enough for, adequate for, sufficient for, ready for; More
suitable for, suited to, appropriate for;
informalup to scratch, having what it takes
"Patricia was equal to the task"

noun: equal; plural noun: equals

1.
a person or thing that is the same as another in status or quality.
"we all treat each other as equals"
synonyms: equivalent, peer, fellow, coequal, like; More
mate, twin, alter ego, counterpart, match, parallel;
rarecompeer
"they did not treat him as their equal"
antonyms: superior, inferior

verb: equal; 3rd person present: equals; past tense: equalled; past participle: equalled; gerund or present participle: equalling; past tense: equaled; past participle: equaled; gerund or present participle: equaling

1.
be the same as in number or amount.
"four plus six divided by two equals five"
synonyms: be equal to, be equivalent to, be the same as, correspond to; come to, amount to, make, total, add up to;
tot up to
"thirty six divided by two equals eighteen"
match or rival in performance or extent.
"he equalled the world record of 9.93 seconds"
synonyms: match, reach, parallel, come up to, be level with, measure up to, achieve More
"he equalled the world record"
be as good as, be equal/even/level with, be a match for, match, measure up to, come up to, equate with, be in the same league as, be in the same category as, be tantamount to;
rival, compete with, contend with, vie with
"the fable equals that of any other poet"
antonyms: lose to, beat
be equivalent to.
"his work is concerned with why private property equals exploitation"
synonyms: be equal to, be equivalent to, be the same as, correspond to; More
come to, amount to, make, total, add up to;
tot up to
"thirty six divided by two equals eighteen"​

Which definition are you using?
 

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Dictionaries say things like this when defining the word "equal"
equal
adjective: equal

1.
being the same in quantity, size, degree, or value.
"add equal amounts of water and flour"
synonyms:identical, uniform, alike, like, the same, one and the same, equivalent, indistinguishable; More
matching, twin;
comparable, similar, corresponding, correspondent, commensurate
"two lines of equal length"
equivalent, identical, amounting;
proportionate, tantamount;
the same as, commensurate with, on a par with
"fares were equal to a fortnight's wages for a skilled craftsman"
antonyms:unequal, different, more than, less than
(of people) having the same status, rights, or opportunities.
"people are born free and equal"
uniform in application or effect; without discrimination on any grounds.
"a dedicated campaigner for equal rights"
synonyms:unbiased, impartial, non-partisan, fair, fair-minded, just, even-handed, equitable; More
unprejudiced, unbigoted, non-discriminatory, free from discrimination, egalitarian;
neutral, objective, disinterested, without fear or favour
"the right to equal treatment before the law"
antonyms:unequal, discriminatory
evenly or fairly balanced.
"it was hardly an equal contest"
synonyms:evenly matched, evenly balanced, even, balanced, level, evenly proportioned, well matched, on a par, on an equal footing; More
informalfifty-fifty, level pegging, neck and neck
"a fair and equal contest"
antonyms:uneven, unequal
2.
having the ability or resources to meet (a challenge).
"the players proved equal to the task"
synonyms:capable of, fit for, up to, good/strong enough for, adequate for, sufficient for, ready for; More
suitable for, suited to, appropriate for;
informalup to scratch, having what it takes
"Patricia was equal to the task"

noun: equal; plural noun: equals

1.
a person or thing that is the same as another in status or quality.
"we all treat each other as equals"
synonyms:equivalent, peer, fellow, coequal, like; More
mate, twin, alter ego, counterpart, match, parallel;
rarecompeer
"they did not treat him as their equal"
antonyms:superior, inferior

verb: equal; 3rd person present: equals; past tense: equalled; past participle: equalled; gerund or present participle: equalling; past tense: equaled; past participle: equaled; gerund or present participle: equaling

1.
be the same as in number or amount.
"four plus six divided by two equals five"
synonyms:be equal to, be equivalent to, be the same as, correspond to; come to, amount to, make, total, add up to;
tot up to
"thirty six divided by two equals eighteen"
match or rival in performance or extent.
"he equalled the world record of 9.93 seconds"
synonyms:match, reach, parallel, come up to, be level with, measure up to, achieve More
"he equalled the world record"
be as good as, be equal/even/level with, be a match for, match, measure up to, come up to, equate with, be in the same league as, be in the same category as, be tantamount to;
rival, compete with, contend with, vie with
"the fable equals that of any other poet"
antonyms:lose to, beat
be equivalent to.
"his work is concerned with why private property equals exploitation"
synonyms:be equal to, be equivalent to, be the same as, correspond to; More
come to, amount to, make, total, add up to;
tot up to
"thirty six divided by two equals eighteen"​

Which definition are you using?
I've specified the definition I meant.

Do you agree?
 

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I've specified the definition I meant.

Do you agree?

You think that everybody is treated as having the same status or quality?

I am not so sure that ever happens in human societies including the church. People like one better than another, prefer one over another, regard one person differently from another. I don't think being a Christian somehow wipes that away. There are some people I like more than others. There are even people that I do not like. Being in one body does not mean everybody is the same in status and quality.
 

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You think that everybody is treated as having the same status or quality?

I am not so sure that ever happens in human societies including the church. People like one better than another, prefer one over another, regard one person differently from another. I don't think being a Christian somehow wipes that away. There are some people I like more than others. There are even people that I do not like. Being in one body does not mean everybody is the same in status and quality.
I'm not basing my words on societal norms. I in no way said people are treated or even looked at as equals. But that they should be.

We are told to love our enemy.
Loving one as yourself doesn't make them your equal in that respect?
 

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I'm not basing my words on societal norms. I in no way said people are treated or even looked at as equals. But that they should be.

We are told to love our enemy.
Loving one as yourself doesn't make them your equal in that respect?

I am not so sure that members of the body of Christ are equals before God. It's holy scripture that points out that not all are apostles, not all are prophets, and so on. And if I am not mistaken evangelicals make quite a thing out of "rewards" so even in heaven there appears to be distinctions in status and quality.
 

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I am not so sure that members of the body of Christ are equals before God. It's holy scripture that points out that not all are apostles, not all are prophets, and so on. And if I am not mistaken evangelicals make quite a thing out of "rewards" so even in heaven there appears to be distinctions in status and quality.
We aren't to do for reward. The verses you quoted do mention differences but much more so mentions equity and necessity of each which make up the whole together.
 

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I'm not basing my words on societal norms. I in no way said people are treated or even looked at as equals. But that they should be.

We are told to love our enemy.
Loving one as yourself doesn't make them your equal in that respect?

Different tasks and gifts, but equal in worth.
 
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We aren't to do for reward. The verses you quoted do mention differences but much more so mentions equity and necessity of each which make up the whole together.

The word "equality" is not in the verses I quoted nor is the concept.
 

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The word "equality" is not in the verses I quoted nor is the concept.
No the word equality is not in the verses you provided, but if you will go back and read them again you should be able to see that the focus is equality regardless.
 

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I am not so sure that members of the body of Christ are equals before God. It's holy scripture that points out that not all are apostles, not all are prophets, and so on. And if I am not mistaken evangelicals make quite a thing out of "rewards" so even in heaven there appears to be distinctions in status and quality.

That reminds me of a pastor on the Sid Roth show who said he went to heaven and he got to live in a dumb house w a bunch of others like they have for homeless cause he hadnt paid his tithes or something while those others had big huge houses. I dont believe for a meter he went to heaven but my goodness gracious me, is that all he can worry about? A big house?
If theres any status difference there its that the kids are the highest in rank maybe cuz theyre not so dumb.
 

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If we are to rule and reign with Christ what are we going to rule? Is it like mayors and governors and presidents, I know with the angels there are ranks and does it not sya that we will be like the angels?
 

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If we are to rule and reign with Christ what are we going to rule? Is it like mayors and governors and presidents, I know with the angels there are ranks and does it not sya that we will be like the angels?

I'll be the secretary. I hate ruling. I always skip those texts.
 

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If we are to rule and reign with Christ what are we going to rule? Is it like mayors and governors and presidents, I know with the angels there are ranks and does it not sya that we will be like the angels?
It is the manner in which rule is carried out. One cannot rule equitably without perceiving self as nought or at very least, equal to the least of us.
 

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If we are to rule and reign with Christ what are we going to rule? Is it like mayors and governors and presidents, I know with the angels there are ranks and does it not say that we will be like the angels?

Jesus did say that in the resurrection the faithful will be like the angels but the scope of his comment was being married and producing children which the angels in heaven do not do so in the resurrection the faithful will not marry nor be given in marriage because they will be like the angels - not reproducing by means of marital sexual congress.
 
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