Theology thread.

[MennoSota]

That depends on how many canonical books are in your bible

You pining for the book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price?

 

[MennoSota]

A teacher is not a superior.

All are equal

The elder is to serve the youth and guide them to the truth.

It was never my intent to say that there are no teachers, but if actual teachers then they would consider themselves as servants and not lords.


Morecoffee put it well I think; he said:

"ruling over is the worldly way, ruling by service is the Christian way. Ruling over is demanding others perform tasks as directed. Ruling by service is inviting people to bring their gifts to the common good and use them to benefit all in the places where they are most needed and most useful. Those who rule by service help others to use their gifts in the right places and right ways."

Which I agree with.

The "ruling over" group sounds like the RC. Does MoreCoffee despise his denomination?

 

[popsthebuilder]

The "ruling over" group sounds like the RC. Does MoreCoffee despise his denomination?

What is your problem? The guy who insists on scriptureal support only seems to be worried about opinion.

Did you not start this thread?

 

[MennoSota]

What is your problem? The guy who insists on scriptureal support only seems to be worried about opinion.

Did you not start this thread?

I shared the scripture that shows God speaks in the Bible. If you disagree with the verses I shared, explain why. I'd be thrilled to read your exegesis of 2 Timothy 3:16 and Hebrews 4:12.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I shared the scripture that shows God speaks in the Bible. If you disagree with the verses I shared, explain why. I'd be thrilled to read your exegesis of 2 Timothy 3:16 and Hebrews 4:12.

2 Timothy 3: 14. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15. And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

(shows that what one hears will be aligned with what one reads in scripture.
Warns to stay true to what was revealed and what is verified through the written word by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.)

Hebrews 4: 8. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 12. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14. Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

(shows that though one isn't saved by works of their own and abides in the rest of GOD, they are to work, and be vigilant, and the works they do are not their own but of the Spirit, as Jesus too was tempted yet did not sin, we, by His example and with His help, can be bold and believe, which is to live out.)

 

[MoreCoffee]

You pining for the book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price?

Those works came from a former Protestant chap. They have zero chance of every being regarded as canonical by the Catholic Church but maybe somebody's group will endow them with a halo or something - whatever is it that marks the 66 used in Protestant circles.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The entire Bible. Pick it up and read it so God can talk to you through it.

I don't hear voices as I read the holy scriptures unless I have a friend reading alternate paragraphs with me or a lector reads them from the ambo

:smirk:

 

[Imalive]

The entire Bible. Pick it up and read it so God can talk to you through it.

Hey you admit God talks to you. Told you so.
Nanananana

 

[MennoSota]

Those works came from a former Protestant chap. They have zero chance of every being regarded as canonical by the Catholic Church but maybe somebody's group will endow them with a halo or something - whatever is it that marks the 66 used in Protestant circles.

Not one of the books came from an RC guy...

 

[popsthebuilder]

(Perhaps this singular verse will bring to light the point I was trying to make about equality.)


Matthew 11: 29. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

(peace)

 

[MoreCoffee]

(Perhaps this singular verse will bring to light the point I was trying to make about equality.)


Matthew 11: 29. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

(peace)

I cannot speak for others but for myself service in the body of Christ does not mean equality but rather mutual respect for the dignity and value of each person in the body because the body cannot function in any way other than mutual help and respect.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

I don't hear voices as I read the holy scriptures unless I have a friend reading alternate paragraphs with me or a lector reads them from the ambo

:smirk:

I have some CD's. James Earl Jones does the N.T.!

 

[MoreCoffee]

I have some CD's. James Earl Jones does the N.T.!

Isn't that similar to having a friend read for you?

 

[popsthebuilder]

I cannot speak for others but for myself service in the body of Christ does not mean equality but rather mutual respect for the dignity and value of each person in the body because the body cannot function in any way other than mutual help and respect.

So a perfect body is a lame body due to the inadequacy of a limb? Gifts may vary in breadth and faith may vary in extent, but each limb or branch is to support the other. The body is whole and one, and of Christ so it cannot be insufficient in any part.

 

[MennoSota]

(Perhaps this singular verse will bring to light the point I was trying to make about equality.)


Matthew 11: 29. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

(peace)

The context of this verse is interesting.
Rabbi's referred to their rules and method of teaching as a yoke.
Jesus was telling his listeners to follow and learn. He was also expressing how his teaching was different than the Pharisees and Saducees teachings, which added burdens upon the people. In contrast, Jesus teaching brought a lifting of burdens and rest.

 

[MennoSota]

26For you are all childrenm of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have put on Christ, like putting on new clothes.n 28There is no longer Jew or Gentile,o slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[popsthebuilder]

The context of this verse is interesting.
Rabbi's referred to their rules and method of teaching as a yoke.
Jesus was telling his listeners to follow and learn. He was also expressing how his teaching was different than the Pharisees and Saducees teachings, which added burdens upon the people. In contrast, Jesus teaching brought a lifting of burdens and rest.

My emphasis was on the humility and lowly estate of Jesus though He is the Way.

 

[popsthebuilder]

26For you are all childrenm of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have put on Christ, like putting on new clothes.n 28There is no longer Jew or Gentile,o slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.

For whatever reason, the verses you posted seem to have some typos.

Just letting you know.

 

[MoreCoffee]

So a perfect body is a lame body due to the inadequacy of a limb? Gifts may vary in breadth and faith may vary in extent, but each limb or branch is to support the other. The body is whole and one, and of Christ so it cannot be insufficient in any part.

No. The body of Christ has different parts. Eyes, ears, nose, mouth, feet, hands, chest, and so forth. Each has its own role and its own gifts. They are all parts of the same body but they are not the same, they are not equal, they differ but they all need one another to be a body. Paul explains it in First Corinthians chapter twelve.

1 Corinthians 12:12-31 For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For in the one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. 14 Indeed, the body does not consist of one member but of many. 15 If the foot were to say, 'Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body', that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear were to say, 'Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body', that would not make it any less a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole body were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. 19 If all were a single member, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many members, yet one body. 21 The eye cannot say to the hand, 'I have no need of you', nor again the head to the feet, 'I have no need of you.' 22 On the contrary, the members of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and those members of the body that we think less honourable we clothe with greater honour, and our less respectable members are treated with greater respect; 24 whereas our more respectable members do not need this. But God has so arranged the body, giving the greater honour to the inferior member, 25 that there may be no dissension within the body, but the members may have the same care for one another. 26 If one member suffers, all suffer together with it; if one member is honoured, all rejoice together with it. 27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. 28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers; then deeds of power, then gifts of healing, forms of assistance, forms of leadership, various kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But strive for the greater gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way.​

 

[popsthebuilder]

No. The body of Christ has different parts. Eyes, ears, nose, mouth, feet, hands, chest, and so forth. Each has its own role and its own gifts. They are all parts of the same body but they are not the same, they are not equal, they differ but they all need one another to be a body. Paul explains it in First Corinthians chapter twelve.

1 Corinthians 12:12-31 For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For in the one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. 14 Indeed, the body does not consist of one member but of many. 15 If the foot were to say, 'Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body', that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear were to say, 'Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body', that would not make it any less a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole body were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. 19 If all were a single member, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many members, yet one body. 21 The eye cannot say to the hand, 'I have no need of you', nor again the head to the feet, 'I have no need of you.' 22 On the contrary, the members of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and those members of the body that we think less honourable we clothe with greater honour, and our less respectable members are treated with greater respect; 24 whereas our more respectable members do not need this. But God has so arranged the body, giving the greater honour to the inferior member, 25 that there may be no dissension within the body, but the members may have the same care for one another. 26 If one member suffers, all suffer together with it; if one member is honoured, all rejoice together with it. 27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. 28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers; then deeds of power, then gifts of healing, forms of assistance, forms of leadership, various kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But strive for the greater gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way.​

Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and we were all made to drink of one Spirit

If the foot were to say, 'Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body', that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear were to say, 'Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body', that would not make it any less a part of the body.

On the contrary, the members of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and those members of the body that we think less honourable we clothe with greater honour, and our less respectable members are treated with greater respect; 24 whereas our more respectable members do not need this.

(surely you aren't blind friend)