The Jewishness of Yeshua

[psalms 91]

How important do you think understanding Jewish customs and traditions at the time of Jesus is a key to understanding what He said? I believe that without an understanding of these things you will miss what He was saying at different times

 

[Alithis]

in some respect .. but real understanding does not come from carnal reason but by revelation of the Holy Spirit .
the lord jesus is of the spiritual lne of David . just as we are now ,in the spirit the children of Abraham the father of faith .
the lord jesus became flesh from within the line of David but he is of the line Of god being the ONLY begotten(unique) son of God .

while his "jewishness" is taken into account to understand why he said said some of the things he said .."to the jews and pharisees etc " i do not think it is paramount to understanding the true eternal meaning of his words .

 

[psalms 91]

Yet without that understanding you cannot understand the feasts which are replete with spiritual menaing and so much more. We are the bride of Christ, what was expected of a Jewish bride? How did the wedding work? These are all keys to understanding some things especially where end times are concerned

 

[Alithis]

Yet without that understanding you cannot understand the feasts which are replete with spiritual menaing and so much more. We are the bride of Christ, what was expected of a Jewish bride? How did the wedding work? These are all keys to understanding some things especially where end times are concerned

perhaps.... but our culture is not an earthen culture ..we come from such a myriad of cultures but all have this in common ,that we deny ourselves and take on the culture of Christ Jesus ,the culture of heaven .
in essence the wedding was as simplified as can be ..the two.. become one . the true meaning of that is in the spiritual realm and not the physical .so again i feel the basic understanding is partially revealed by what we see (the carnal physical world mirroring the eternal-"like as a glass darkly" ,just as the layout of the temple mirrors the layout of the throne of God .
But the true depth of comprehension is spiritually revealed .

 

[visionary]

Yeshua is King of the Jews, He created "Judaism" as He presented it to Moses on Mount Sinai. He fulfilled in on earth and told everyone to obey His Commandments. His disciples were zealous in keeping it without a lot of "oral traditions" that is imposed upon Judaism that the Jews keep.

We are seeking to return to the roots and keep Judaism as Yeshua would have us do.

 

[visionary]

People who are Messianic Judaism believe Yeshua is the Messiah and that Judaism is the faith. Judaism with Yeshua is what most Jews practice. Yeshua with Judaism never happened. The Disciples without Judaism never happened. IT wasn't until 135 AD that the persecution from two fronts, separated Messianic Judaism from either Roman Christianity and Jew's Judaism.

Believing in Messianic Judaism doesn't make anyone a Jew. It just has been a majority of Jews were the ones who were keeping it as a faith for centuries. It is not an exclusive faith. Many of us here are gentiles and will remain gentiles. Some here are Jews and they also will remain Jews even though they have faith in Yeshua as the King of Jews Messiah.

 

[visionary]

Yeshua is the Messiah promised Israel -

John 1:41. He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ. 42. And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone. 43. The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.
44. Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter. 45. Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Yeshua of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. 46. And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see. 47. Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! 48. Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49. Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

 

[visionary]

Matthew 23:

1. Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2. Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3. All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

What did He just remind His followers to continue to observe?

And in Matthew 24, why did He instruct his disciples to pray that the time of Israel's coming trouble not "come on a Sabbath day?"

 

[visionary]

Christian is a faith. Judaism is a faith. Messianic Judaism is a faith.

The reason that Messianic have chosen to identify with Judaism is first and foremost because of Yeshua our Messiah. It was His faith. Judaism is a faith in practice that takes all that which was given on Mount Sinai and prayerfully consider and meditate upon it in the light of Yeshua. We study to see if it is so. We are seeking the roots of the faith that Yeshua requires us to live. Here are they that keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Yeshua.

 

[visionary]

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[visionary]

Yeshua was so Jewish even after His resurrection He still did things that only Jews would understand the message contain within His acts. Take the folded napkin. John 20:7 In order to understand the significance of the folded napkin, you have to understand a little bit about Hebrew tradition of that day. The folded napkin had to do with the Master and Servant, and every Jewish boy knew this tradition.

When the servant set the dinner table for the master, he made sure that it was exactly the way the master wanted it. The table was furnished perfectly, and then the servant would wait, just out of sight, until the master had finished eating, and the servant would not dare touch that table, until the master was finished. Now, if the master were done eating, he would rise from the table, wipe his fingers, his mouth, and clean his beard, and would wad up that napkin and toss it onto the table.

The servant would then know to clear the table. For in those days, the wadded napkin meant, 'I'm done'. But if the master got up from the table, and folded his napkin, and laid it beside his plate, the servant would not dare touch the table, because........... The folded napkin meant,
'I'm coming back!'

 

[Alithis]

actually i find that a bit stretched..its more likely he folded his clothes as a sign he would return , and diner table etiquette used in a tomb with dead bodies ..?? very very un jewish methinks .but the truth is .. he told us outright he was coming back .
and the lord jesus died for ALL mankind .. he came forth from the line of DAvid .. but he was not of david but born of God .he was every bit jewish he was also every bit God and mankind .

 

[psalms 91]

and many things that He said spoke to the jewishness and was understood that way. The richness, the depth, it is so worth it to learn

 

[visionary]

 

[MoreCoffee]

That's a very misleading sign.

Jesus is a Christian being the founder of the Christian faith - Christian meaning a follower of Jesus Christ.

John the baptist was a baptiser ... not exactly a Baptist I'll grant.

Blessed Mary is a Catholic

And they are not all Jewish.

 

[MoreCoffee]

How important do you think understanding Jewish customs and traditions at the time of Jesus is a key to understanding what He said? I believe that without an understanding of these things you will miss what He was saying at different times

Knowing about Jewish religious beliefs in the first century and biblical teaching in the same century is important but knowing about current Rabbinic Judaism isn't important to understanding what the Lord Jesus Christ taught.

 

[Alithis]

That's a very misleading sign.

Jesus is a Christian being the founder of the Christian faith - Christian meaning a follower of Jesus Christ.

John the baptist was a baptiser ... not exactly a Baptist I'll grant.

Blessed Mary is a Catholic

And they are not all Jewish.

well that's a twist on the topic lol..
Mary cant be catholic the roman catholic church did not exist back then ..and she was certainly Jewish.
john -who baptized people was Jewish .

the lord Jesus was brought forth into the world via Mary .. but he is born of God ..not of the flesh nor the will of the flesh ..

"This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about[d]: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet[e] did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit."

its interesting that it is not said the child is not of man .,.or of roman, or of David, or off Abraham .. but "of the holy Ghost "

But that he is raised within the Jewish culture .. undeniably .
but i remember that the culture of Israel and Judah also itself originates not from themselves but from God -without God they were steeped in calf idols and Egyptian paganism .. everything that makes them "Jewish " came from God ...

 

[MoreCoffee]

Blessed Mary was a follower of her Son and Lord Jesus Christ. This idea that somehow people who followed the Lord remained Jewish (in some sort of religious sense) is clearly erroneous. That Blessed Mary is Catholic is true beyond any doubt.

 

[psalms 91]

Knowing about Jewish religious beliefs in the first century and biblical teaching in the same century is important but knowing about current Rabbinic Judaism isn't important to understanding what the Lord Jesus Christ taught.

Agreed