White Nationalists rally - State of Emergency in Virginia

[Lamb]

For Strav's video...

1) The people are still there. Some have gotten up already and I see one other is being pulled closer to the building.
2) At 1:09 (?) you can see that there is a person in green on the far left hand side of the screen
3) The Happy Guy. There are people who get off on devastation and despair. That doesn't mean it's faked.
4) The guy in orange...what is the point?
5) So what if the lady said "high level bystander capacity?" She's used to speaking on video and is clearly articulate. So is my sister-in-law.
6) I don't remember from my notes except that I wrote that after my accident I was joking around in the ambulance and made everyone laugh. People can maintain a sense of humor because of shock.
7) Medics are by law in the area because of the large crowds expected. I don't understand your point.
8) Periscope - I don't understand why you find it odd that someone who is used to doing live streams is filming?
9) The manhole...you can also see that there is a reflection of something green but don't see the green thing. That doesn't mean it's not there. It's the angle of the shot.
10) Drone - The green did not JUST appear. I watched a better drone video on youtube and it doesn't just appear. Plus you can see the manhole cover in the first drone shot.
11) For the black guy on the truck. He's on the truck AFTER he got hit. You can see him at the 36 and 37 second mark in that video. It happens before the car backs up not as it's backing up. As for people moving quickly after getting hit, yes, they can. When I hit the parked car with my bike I didn't realize that I had hit the ground because I got up so quickly. I even told the police and EMTs that I didn't hit the ground but only remembered it days later!

 

[IACOBVS]

How does that justify the White Supremacists taking clubs and guns to the protest. They could not be sure if any counter protest would happen. They certainly could not know if the counter protest (if it came) would include people with weapons. And the fact remains it was a white supremacist who drove his car into the counter protesters, killed one woman, and injured nineteen or more others. The killer was in the white supremacist protest. His mother explained how he drove his car to what she thought was a Pro-Donald-Trump rally but it was in fact a white supremacist protest and after a while her son went and got his car and drove it into the people in the counter protest and killed a woman and injured the others. It was wicked to do that. I do not see any defence that can be made for it. The neo nazis who were in the white supremacist protest are supporting something essentially and completely wicked. No Christian ought to be defending their explicit and extreme racism.

Amen! I'm actually shocked (as Her Majesty says so often) that there are those who post here who might give even nuanced support to the wickedness that has occurred, let alone the full-blown support from some. I am truly shocked and saddened, and I am sure that Jesus weeps.

 

[Lamb]

Amen! I'm actually shocked (as Her Majesty says so often) that there are those who post here who might give even nuanced support to the wickedness that has occurred, let alone the full-blown support from some. I am truly shocked and saddened, and I am sure that Jesus weeps.

Not one soul here has supported racism or wickedness.

 

[IACOBVS]

Good, you are aware that the rally was legal even though the attendees were racist. Have you found any Nazis here in our forum yet or in support of racism? I have not.

I find this post as repugnant as my friend the papist did.

 

[IACOBVS]

Not one soul here has supported racism or wickedness.

No? You're kidding, right?

 

[IACOBVS]

Good points!

And the press skips over this: One group had a permit to gather and was peaceful until the other side showed up, one without a permit, one there illegally....

IMO, what needs to be condemned is VIOLENCE in attempts to deny the freedom of speech..... not being politically incorrect and speech we disagree with. And truth is: a small minority on BOTH sides were violent and disrespectful, both the group legally there and the group illegally there.

The press and the liberals are working overtime TRYING to twist this to make Trump a neo-Nazi and "white supremist" because he is condemning violence. This reveals how desperate the press and "left" is and sad how so many are jumping on.



Pax Christi


Josiah

Exactly where in the sola scriptura view of things that you so strongly support does Jesus ever say that anyone anywhere needs a permit from any government to stand up for righteousness and against wickedness? Where? This was wickedness.

 

[IACOBVS]

Watch this Nazi cry because he was stupid. haha

http://reverepress.com/news/look-charlottesville-nazi-leader-cry-fcking-eyes/

 

[hotrhymez]

No? You're kidding, right?

I havent seen anyone here support any kind of racism so not sure where youre seeing it.

 

[IACOBVS]

I havent seen anyone here support any kind of racism so not sure where youre seeing it.

Refusing to condemn it with no strings attached is support.

 

[Lamb]

Refusing to condemn it with no strings attached is support.

Condemn racism? You mean if we aren't trashing it left and right that we are for it instead of against it? That doesn't make sense. But yes, I condemn racism. I'm just not as horrific in my condemnation as some are.

 

[psalms 91]

I also condemn it, that being said I am also a realist in the sense that when I look at the pictures in Charlottesville I see weapons being used on both sides so I tend to agree that violence is just as wrong no matter who it is, bringing weapons to a demonstration either for or against speaks volumes about intention

 

[Josiah]

I also condemn it, that being said I am also a realist in the sense that when I look at the pictures in Charlottesville I see weapons being used on both sides so I tend to agree that violence is just as wrong no matter who it is, bringing weapons to a demonstration either for or against speaks volumes about intention

A valid point.... and echoing Trumps.

To ME, freedom of speech should be defended not ridiculed and condemned..... and violence should be condemned not defended when used by folks the press agrees with.

Yup, MOST on BOTH sides did not bring weapons and were not violent ("good" folks), but some on BOTH sides did bring weapons, were violent and disobedient and disrespectful to the point that the police fled for their own safety. THAT is what should be decried.

How the press and the 'libs' are twisting all this reveals their hand and desperation..... that SO many citizens are buying this hook, line and sinker is scary and sad.



- Josiah

 

[Lamb]

I just came across this article:

The 'Peanuts' football trick explains why conservatives keep quiet about white supremacy.

 

[hotrhymez]

Refusing to condemn it with no strings attached is support.

are you serious!! Just because people dont condemn things exactly like you doesnt automatically mean they support Nazis. Thats not how it works. You need a class in logic or something.

 

[Stravinsk]

Lam, I don't feel like going through every one of your questions because frankly I do not see them as honest. It's like you came to the video ready with any possible excuse for what was shown, and that's how you replied. You make plenty of assertions but do not back them up. For example - you mention the manhole is part of the clip I referenced, in a non close up. It's not. It's not in any other drone clip from that vantage point I've seen either. You ask what's the point of me pointing out someone wearing orange. If you had eyes to see you'd notice something. A lot of somethings. Next time you're out in public look at a crowd of people around you for 10 minutes or so, and count all the orange things they wear - then go back to the video and count every piece of orange clothing you can find, including hats, socks, shoelaces, shoes, pants, shirts, backpacks, sunglasses, and even dreadlocks. If you think this is a typical day in anywhere, USA, I have a bridge to sell you in London.

 

[Lamb]

Lam, I don't feel like going through every one of your questions because frankly I do not see them as honest. It's like you came to the video ready with any possible excuse for what was shown, and that's how you replied. You make plenty of assertions but do not back them up. For example - you mention the manhole is part of the clip I referenced, in a non close up. It's not. It's not in any other drone clip from that vantage point I've seen either. You ask what's the point of me pointing out someone wearing orange. If you had eyes to see you'd notice something. A lot of somethings. Next time you're out in public look at a crowd of people around you for 10 minutes or so, and count all the orange things they wear - then go back to the video and count every piece of orange clothing you can find, including hats, socks, shoelaces, shoes, pants, shirts, backpacks, sunglasses, and even dreadlocks. If you think this is a typical day in anywhere, USA, I have a bridge to sell you in London.

My response was honest. I saw two different drone clips and the manhole is in both of them. Your grainy clip was too fuzzy to see which is why you have to go to one that is clearer and close up. Go find it. It's there.

I do not know why there were people wearing orange but you do realize that groups were gathering there and that wearing orange is representative of those who want to promote gun awareness? Maybe you don't know that. A lot of groups post online for their kind to wear a certain color so they can easily recognize themselves. It happens in many US events. It's not a conspiracy.

I gave you many proofs against your claims and even pointed out the moments in the video where they could be seen. Yet you still think I'm a liar.

 

[Josiah]

What precipitated the rally was the removal of Confederate symbols. The news source does not state what caused the riots except that tensions were high.

That's my understanding.....


Some LEGALLY gathered (they got a permit) to express their Freedom of Speech concerning the removal of a statue. MOST of them did not bring weapons and MOST of them were entirely non-violent. But it seems a FEW others interjected themselves into this (happens) including some White Supremists and Neo-Nazis (unfortunately). Now, while I'm at least as "anti-Nazi" and anti "White Supremist" as anyone, I will defend with all my might the right of ANYONE's Right of (non-violent) Speech. Indeed, if freedoms only exist if the Government or the Powerful or the Majority or the Thought Police agree, then all rights of all people are in serious jeoprody - and the Power may be at our door next.

The problem is that some who did NOT have a permit (and thus were there illegally) also showed up to hinder the other's free speech.... and SOME of them came with weapons and cameras and obviously an agenda of violence. Now, I passionately support THEIR freedom of speech to express THEIR view (although I doubt this was the most appropriate venue for that) in a NON-VIOLENT manner, expressing why the statue should be removed (it was, ultimately).

To ME, there are two issues: Do we support the Freedom of Speech or to we deny it to those whose views we disagree with or find stupid or offensive or non-politically correct? And VIOLENCE (which a FEW on BOTH sides perpetuated, the side there legally with a permit and the ones who "crashed" it)?

I didn't vote for Trump and I don't like him much (so far, his only action I support was the Supreme Court appointee), but I largely agree with him on this. BOTH sides had freedom of speech (he gave the side that was there illegally EQUAL support, which I would not) and BOTH sides were made up mostly of non-violent people ('good' is the word Trump used). But a tiny number on BOTH sides came ready for battle - bringing weapons, obviously bringing the Press, causing violence. And they SHOULD equally be condemned. IMO, Trump was largely right (could have bettered worded it, probably).

Now, Trump condemned the VIEWS of the neo-nazi's and white supremists as clearly and boldly as has ANY OTHER (albeit LATE) but the Press must ignore that and twist that so as to imply that Trump is a Jew-hating white supremist when he condemned those views as strongly as Obama or anyone else.



- Josiah



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[Stravinsk]

My response was honest. I saw two different drone clips and the manhole is in both of them. Your grainy clip was too fuzzy to see which is why you have to go to one that is clearer and close up. Go find it. It's there.

And yet, you fail to link them. I'd really like to see them, Lam. My video is now getting around 20-40 views an hour and if I missed something so blatant, then hook me up. The clip is not mine, btw...I doubt it's NBC's either - but that is the source I got it from.

I do not know why there were people wearing orange but you do realize that groups were gathering there and that wearing orange is representative of those who want to promote gun awareness? Maybe you don't know that. A lot of groups post online for their kind to wear a certain color so they can easily recognize themselves. It happens in many US events. It's not a conspiracy.

According to https://wearorange.org/ that was for June 2nd-3rd 2017, nothing to do with a protest this month in Virginia...which had nothing to do with guns or gun violence. Surely you are being disingenuous if you are asserting the protest was some sort of "free for all" where any and all groups with any and all agendas could come and "make their voice heard". Maybe the Green party had a presence too. And PETA as well.

I gave you many proofs against your claims and even pointed out the moments in the video where they could be seen. Yet you still think I'm a liar.

Proofs? If that is what you would like to call them I suppose.

Liar? You trust your corporate media, and you trust your government - at least - it seems to me more so than less. Since I KNOW they lie, and you listen and believe them - then it follows - but not in the overt sense. In the sense that a child lies when he says Santa is real because his parents said so.

 

[psalms 91]

Lam, I don't feel like going through every one of your questions because frankly I do not see them as honest. It's like you came to the video ready with any possible excuse for what was shown, and that's how you replied. You make plenty of assertions but do not back them up. For example - you mention the manhole is part of the clip I referenced, in a non close up. It's not. It's not in any other drone clip from that vantage point I've seen either. You ask what's the point of me pointing out someone wearing orange. If you had eyes to see you'd notice something. A lot of somethings. Next time you're out in public look at a crowd of people around you for 10 minutes or so, and count all the orange things they wear - then go back to the video and count every piece of orange clothing you can find, including hats, socks, shoelaces, shoes, pants, shirts, backpacks, sunglasses, and even dreadlocks. If you think this is a typical day in anywhere, USA, I have a bridge to sell you in London.

You could try selling that bridge to the parents of the girl wjho got killed and perhaps tyell them how it is all a hoax

 

[Imalive]

What did you think of that weird cat talking video? The cars were different, one had a black stripe and there was a guy of the CIA in that other car, the driver looked different than the guy they arrested and he looked like he was calmly doing his job. She thought they just let a schizophrenic guy do the dirty work for em.
I don't doubt it happened, a woman got killed, they don't fake a memorial, but it was weird. And how his mother responded, so relaxed, oh I thought he was going to a Trump rally. And from above the car is red, but I guess I was the only one who noticed that.