Transgender in military...or not

[psalms 91]

Only if you dwell on them. The difference is between being tempted to sin and actually sinning.

Good point, that is true

 

[meluckycharms]

Scripture doesn't prohibit being gay, it talks of gay activity rather than desires. Having desires isn't sinful but the way we act, or decline to act, on those desires may be sinful. A man having desires for another man is no more sinful than me being aware that I could steal the wad of cash from the unlocked office or being attracted to my secretary.

But doesn't looking at someone with lust committing audultry in their heart? I imagine that would imply male on male desires.

Furthermore, suggesting that homosexuality/transgender is not a choice would imply that God created them that way. Why would God create someone to be Gay/Transgender and then condemn people for practicing that lifestyle?

 

[Stravinsk]

But doesn't looking at someone with lust committing audultry in their heart? I imagine that would imply male on male desires.

Furthermore, suggesting that homosexuality/transgender is not a choice would imply that God created them that way. Why would God create someone to be Gay/Transgender and then condemn people for practicing that lifestyle?

It is a choice - however from what I understand many homosexual (men, at least) were molested when they were boys by an adult male. They still make a choice - but are often emotionally handicapped and confused because of what has happened to them.

This is why child molesters often get what they deserve in prison when other inmates learn what they are in for. Quick death is too good for them.

 

[Imalive]

But doesn't looking at someone with lust committing audultry in their heart? I imagine that would imply male on male desires.

Furthermore, suggesting that homosexuality/transgender is not a choice would imply that God created them that way. Why would God create someone to be Gay/Transgender and then condemn people for practicing that lifestyle?

That's like saying: why did God make heterosexuals who lust after someone else than their spouse that way or: why did He make us sinners? He didn't. It's an unclean demon. One guy said he got all these thoughts after he watched porn. A lot were raped or abused as a kid.
I know one guy who's a christian and homosexual, he's just not attracted to women and he got born again and says first he got those thoughts of lusting after men a lot, but he learned to resist the devil and now he rarely gets those thoughts anymore.
The attraction is not a choice, to act upon it or dwell on those thoughts is and they just need to be set free. Spoke to some christian homosexuals who cried out to God to change them as a teenager and later accepted it, I blame the church for not helping them when they were open for help.

 

[Josiah]

That's like saying: why did God make heterosexuals who lust after someone else than their spouse that way or: why did He make us sinners? He didn't. It's an unclean demon. One guy said he got all these thoughts after he watched porn. A lot were raped or abused as a kid.
I know one guy who's a christian and homosexual, he's just not attracted to women and he got born again and says first he got those thoughts of lusting after men a lot, but he learned to resist the devil and now he rarely gets those thoughts anymore.
The attraction is not a choice, to act upon it or dwell on those thoughts is and they just need to be set free. Spoke to some christian homosexuals who cried out to God to change them as a teenager and later accepted it, I blame the church for not helping them when they were open for help.

Valid point.... Just because something is "natural" doesn't make it good, after all, sin is "natural" (as is cancer, earthquakes, etc.). We are BORN sinful, but that doesn't make sin okay. I am heterosexual, but that doesn't mean it's God' ordained that I have sex with as many females as I can. I just think that whole argument is.... well..... like you said.

 

[Josiah]

It is a choice - however from what I understand many homosexual (men, at least) were molested when they were boys by an adult male. They still make a choice - but are often emotionally handicapped and confused because of what has happened to them.

This is why child molesters often get what they deserve in prison when other inmates learn what they are in for. Quick death is too good for them.

Valid....


The guy who leads the Bible study I participate in often comments that we all have our personal demon, our temptation, sin(s) we especially struggle with. And there MAY be a solid reason for that! But that's a reason, not an excuse. We live our own life, we make our own choices, and we are responsible for them. I don't ignore that some carry some BIG stuff! But again, that's not an excuse.... and it's NOT reason for us to wink at them and permit things from them, it's reason for us to help them do what is right.

I have no issue here: Several of my friends are gay. Honestly: respect me and my space, and you'll get it back. And that's pretty much the case. And being a RADICAL heterosexual (lol).... who was a virgin until my wedding night... I KNOW living with our "stuff" ain't easy!!!!!! I tend to be pretty understanding; my friends will tell you I don't wag my finger at others. In fact, I understand. BOY do I understand. But I had my parents, my sister (among others) who convinced me I wasn't WEIRD or sick... and the girls I cared about had no problems with my morality here.... but that's not always the case with others.


And BOY are we WAY off topic.



- Josiah

 

[JSales]

The World Health Organization has deemed transgenderism to be a mental illness even though the protestors want that removed as a classification but their set back is lack of some medical category for insurance billing. Ain't it all about the money?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Transgendered people are people. Be respectful of them if you hope to receive respect yourself. It's that golden rule thing that Jesus mentioned.

 

[tango]

But doesn't looking at someone with lust committing audultry in their heart? I imagine that would imply male on male desires.

Furthermore, suggesting that homosexuality/transgender is not a choice would imply that God created them that way. Why would God create someone to be Gay/Transgender and then condemn people for practicing that lifestyle?

There's a difference between being attracted to someone and lusting after them. Whatever attractions you may have you decide what, if anything, to do with them. Nobody is suggesting that heterosexuality is anything unusual but as a heterosexual man I don't get to sleep with any woman who catches my eye. God made me this way, God gave me desires towards women, but I still have to behave in a manner acceptable to God.

Jesus said if we would follow him we must deny ourselves, take up our cross, and follow. Maybe for some that cross is celibacy.