You don't need to believe in God to go to heaven

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...o-believe-in-god-to-go-to-heaven-8810062.html

But if you believe wrongly about the Eucharist, you're anathema.

Go figure.

I did the research. Even went to catholic.org.

Yeah?

I do not think so.

http://www.christianpost.com/buzzvine/7-times-pope-francis-was-misquoted-132679/
In September, Pope Francis appeared to claim that atheists could go to Heaven, even if they never believe in Jesus, so long as they do good.

It was reportedly part of an open letter response to atheist Italian journalist Eugenio Scalfari of the publication The Republic.

"I start by saying – and this is the fundamental thing – that God's mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience," wrote the pontiff.

Later on in a radio message, the Pope said "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! 'Father, the atheists?' Even the atheists. Everyone!"

The United Kingdom publication the Independent stated that "Pope Francis assures atheists: You don't have to believe in God to go to heaven" and the Huffington Post reported "Pope Francis Says Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed, Not Just Catholics."

However, as Catholic writers noted, the interpretation of the pontiff's remarks may have been a bit off, namely that being redeemed and being saved are two different things.

"Pope Francis did not say that an atheist who does naturally good things can be saved if he dies an atheist," wrote Brian Kelly of Catholicism.org.

"The Pope… simply reminded the faithful that there can be, and is, goodness, or natural virtue, outside the Church. And that Christ's death on the Cross redeemed all men. He paid the price so that every man could come to God and be saved."

Furthermore, a couple months later the Holy See removed Francis' comments to Scalfari, arguing that there were certain mistakes in how the text was written up.

"The information in the interview is reliable on a general level but not on the level of each individual point analyzed: this is why it was decided the text should not be available for consultation on the Holy See website," noted a Vatican spokesman.

"Its removal is a final update on the nature of this text. Some mistakes were made regarding its value, which was questioned."​
 

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That the current Pope is an inclusivist seems to be true. He holds that in common with many, if not most, Protestants. That he thinks those who believe the wrong thing about the eucharist are damned was not documented in the OP, nor in any other posting in this thread.
 

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That the current Pope is an inclusivist seems to be true. He holds that in common with many, if not most, Protestants. That he thinks those who believe the wrong thing about the eucharist are damned was not documented in the OP, nor in any other posting in this thread.

Canon 1.If anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist are contained truly, really and substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ, but says that He is in it only as in a sign, or figure or force, let him be anathema.

Canon 2.If anyone says that in the sacred and holy sacrament of the Eucharist the substance of the bread and wine remains conjointly with the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, and denies that wonderful and singular change of the whole substance of the bread into the body and the whole substance of the wine into the blood, the appearances only of bread and wine remaining, which change the Catholic Church most aptly calls transubstantiation, let him be anathema.

Canon 3.If anyone denies that in the venerable sacrament of the Eucharist the whole Christ is contained under each form and under every part of each form when separated, let him be anathema.

Canon 4.If anyone says that after the consecration is completed, the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ are not in the admirable sacrament of the Eucharist, but are there only in usu, while being taken and not before and not after, and that the hosts or consecrated particles which are reserved or which remain after communion, the true body of the Lord does not remain, let him be anathema.

Canon 5.If anyone says that the principal fruit of the most Holy Eucharist is the remission of sins, or that other effects do not result from it, let him be anathema.

Canon 6.If anyone says that in the holy sacrament of the Eucharist, Christ, the only begotten Son of God, is not to be adored with the worship of latria, also outwardly manifested, and is consequently neither to be venerated with a special festive solemnity, nor to be solemnly borne about in procession according to the laudable and universal rite and custom of the holy Church, or is not to be set publicly before the people to be adored and that the adorers thereof are idolaters, let him be anathema.

Canon 7.If anyone says that it is not lawful that the Holy Eucharist be reserved in a sacred place, but immediately after consecration must necessarily be distributed among those present, or that it is not lawful that it be carried with honor to the sick, let him be anathema.

Canon 8.If anyone says that Christ received in the Eucharist is received spiritually only and not also sacramentally and really, let him be anathema.

Canon 9.If anyone denies that each and all of Christ's faithful of both sexes are bound, when they have reached the years of discretion, to communicate every year at least at Easter, in accordance with the precepts of holy mother Church, let him be anathema.

Canon 10.If anyone says that it is not lawful for the priest celebrating to communicate himself, let him be anathema.

Canon 11.If anyone says that faith alone is sufficient preparation for receiving the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist, let him be anathema. And lest so great a sacrament be received unworthily and hence unto death and condemnation, this holy council ordains and declares that sacramental confession, when a confessor can be had, must necessarily be made beforehand by those whose conscience is burdened with mortal sin, however contrite they may consider themselves. Moreover, if anyone shall presume to teach, preach or obstinately assert, or in public disputation defend the contrary, he shall be eo ipso excommunicated.



There you go.
 

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I recall reading in several scriptures that through absolute ignorance of God; one will be judged by their works alone. If these works are good then they will be saved from damnation.

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This pope smells something bruing and seems to be doing what he can to help all he can, which is exactly what he should be doing as someone who is rightly guided under God.

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I recall reading in several scriptures that through absolute ignorance of God; one will be judged by their works alone. If these works are good then they will be saved from damnation.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

I've noticed that you recall reading things. But you never provide what it was that you read.
 

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I've noticed that you recall reading things. But you never provide what it was that you read.
Yeah, that's kinda hard to do when you don't know the stuff by heart. Doesn't help that I'm generally reading five different texts at once. I life long Christian or versed Christian scholar should be able to back me up. That doesn't mean they will though. Why do you think the pope said what he said? He didn't just make it up.

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Yeah, that's kinda hard to do when you don't know the stuff by heart. Doesn't help that I'm generally reading five different texts at once. I life long Christian or versed Christian scholar should be able to back me up. That doesn't mean they will though. Why do you think the pope said what he said? He didn't just make it up.

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I'm not going to speculate why he's wrong about what scripture teaches.
 

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If it is they are not only in error but also apostate

oh wow .. really ?
... bro.. the expression that comes to mind is ":DOH " ... they have never repented of apostasy they are just pushing it more now . read the book of martyrs .Rome put believers in the lord Jesus to death but offered to not kill them if they would say "hail mary" ..the apostasy is very ancient .

i renounce the romes mary in the name of the Lord Jesus. the one Lord of lords the ONE mediator between man and God . the one lord and only savior .

choose this day whom you wil serve but as for me and my house we wil serve the lord and NEVER bow to the lies of Rome .
there is no love of the truth in it .

mary is not a queen of heaven
not a perpetual virgin
not a co mediator
not divine
NOT to share th lords Glory , the lord who says ..i will share my glory with NONE . //all these things oppose the plain scripture .. yet they ..knowingly deny the plain scripture and say but but but .. -that -is apostasy
 

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oh wow .. really ?
... bro.. the expression that comes to mind is ":DOH " ... they have never repented of apostasy they are just pushing it more now . read the book of martyrs .Rome put believers in the lord Jesus to death but offered to not kill them if they would say "hail mary" ..the apostasy is very ancient .

i renounce the romes mary in the name of the Lord Jesus. the one Lord of lords the ONE mediator between man and God . the one lord and only savior .

choose this day whom you wil serve but as for me and my house we wil serve the lord and NEVER bow to the lies of Rome .
there is no love of the truth in it .

mary is not a queen of heaven
not a perpetual virgin
not a co mediator
not divine
NOT to share th lords Glory , the lord who says ..i will share my glory with NONE . //all these things oppose the plain scripture .. yet they ..knowingly deny the plain scripture and say but but but .. -that -is apostasy
I actually found where it stated" queen of heaven" in the bible. Then it stayed they were going to hell for lying.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.
 
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