Wise men

[visionary]

Three wise men came to visit Yeshua ... but nowhere it is written that it was "three" wise men who came to visit Yeshua.
Bible only said that Yeshua was presented with gold, and frankincense and myrrh. No mention of how much either.

Now it is a tradition scene for the wise men to meet Yeshua at the manger. But have a look at the scriptures.

Luke 2:7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

Mathew 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

It is clearly shown that the wise men met Yeshua when he was little older. They followed a star... How long did it take them to reach Yeshua from the East?

Mathew 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.

Its very easy to distinguish between a 1 month baby and a 2 year boy. So how did the calculation come up to 2 years? So according to the wise men's report to King Herod, it was determined that two years could have passed before the wise men saw Yeshua.

 

[visionary]

If you look for the likely date of Sukkot in 7BCE, using a computer simulation (www.cybersky.com) you will get a picture like this. It shows the necessary full moon and the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, which would have been very bright (being full moon). We know this conjunction would have been deemed significant by the magi. You will also notice that it is slightly east of south (at this time of night), seen from Jerusalem. Remember the magi went to Jerusalem and enquired for the newborn king of the Jews and followed the star from there to Bethlehem (to the South).

 

[psalms 91]

Yes

 

[Lamb]

Exactly!

Do you think that somehow history twisted things to say 3 wise men because there were 3 types of gifts?

Also, it was mentioned in history that they were kings and even though scripture doesn't back it up, there were places such as Yemen where Jews were kings at that time.

More thoughts...the wise men were called the magi. These were men who followed the stars religiously.

 

[visionary]

The Magi were from the East, probably Persia, and weren't Jews. Magi studied many things, including astronomy; because of this I think God came to them where they were, and used something they were familiar with to get their attention. Astronomy and astrology are not the same thing - the former isn't wrong. There is a difference between astronomy and astrology. Astronomy, which is good, is the study of God's creation in the stars, and "declares the glory of God." Astrology (horoscopes and fortune telling from your "sign"), which is forbidden in the Scriptures, is the perversion of the true study of the stars.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.

Psalms 19:1-6 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth forth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Amos 5:8 and Job 9:9 mention names of constellations such as Orion, Arcturus (the Bear -The Big Dipper), Pleiades (a seven star grouping).

Job 38:31-33 mentions the "Mazzaroth" which is the 12 constellations of the Zodiac (Zodiac means stages of the sun's path through the heavens in 12 months).

 

[Josiah]

Three wise men came to visit Yeshua ... but nowhere it is written that it was "three" wise men who came to visit Yeshua.

NO denomination teaches that there were 3. The number simply goes with the 3 named gifts. Soon ARTISTS began having 3 men carrying the 3 gifts.



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Luke 2:7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

Mathew 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

It is clearly shown that the wise men met Yeshua when he was little older. [/quote]


Well, actually, as you proved, the text says NOTHING about when the Magi came. While it is POSSIBLE they were in a different place when the magi came, that has nothing to do with WHEN they came (the Holy Family could have changed where they were within minutes of His birth). But the terms for "house" and "inn" here are very generic and could easily refer to the same place.

They followed a star... How long did it take them to reach Yeshua from the East?

No one says. The Bible doesn't say. Eventually, Epiphany came to be CELEBRATED 13 days after Christmas (after the 12 Days of Christmas), eventually January 6. But NO ONE has EVER claimed that the magi came 12 days after Christmas - no one knows, the Bible doesn't say. They simply choose to CELEBRATE the event at that time.

Mathew 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.

Its very easy to distinguish between a 1 month baby and a 2 year boy. So how did the calculation come up to 2 years? So according to the wise men's report to King Herod, it was determined that two years could have passed before the wise men saw Yeshua.

No one knows why the horrible king decided to kill those under 2. Perhaps because he didn't know when the birth happened (NOTHING in the text indicates that he did) or perhaps just to be sure. He was NOT told the baby was "x" months or years old. But just because this horrible man makes that commandment does NOT mean that ERGO God told him that Jesus was 23 months old.





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[visionary]

And this is the Mary they met...

 

[psalms 91]

And this is the Mary they met...

So true but many forget or else brush it aside