Why are 3 and 4 Esdras in the 1611 King James Bible?

[NathanH83]

Even the Catholic Church doesn’t accept them as scripture. How did they end up in the King James apocrypha?

 

[RichWh1]

Even the Catholic Church doesn’t accept them as scripture. How did they end up in the King James apocrypha?

The original King James Bible contained the Apocrypha. They removed it in later editions.

 

[NathanH83]

The original King James Bible contained the Apocrypha. They removed it in later editions.

That doesn’t answer my question as to how it got there in the first place. Got any more useless facts?

 

[Andrew]

I was disappointed when I didn't find those two books in the Septuagint, if it were in the early hebrew sources wouldn't Jesus have pointed out that he is the fulfilment of that very bold prophesy in 4th Esdras about God saying that his son Jesus is coming?
Even the septuagint is not perfect and those scrolls have since gone missing..
My assumption is that anytime a new book was added to the Hebrew text the scribes would copy the entire book and add the new book and destroy the original copy as it was custom to do so.. this may explain the destruction of the original hebrew sources especially since the new sources is what the Masoretic was based on, but still after Christ and the Apostles.. which means that the Septuagint was complete and later some books were omitted, so why is 3rd and 4rth esdras missing from the Septuagint?

 

[RichWh1]

I was disappointed when I didn't find those two books in the Septuagint, if it were in the early hebrew sources wouldn't Jesus have pointed out that he is the fulfilment of that very bold prophesy in 4th Esdras about God saying that his son Jesus is coming?
Even the septuagint is not perfect and those scrolls have since gone missing..
My assumption is that anytime a new book was added to the Hebrew text the scribes would copy the entire book and add the new book and destroy the original copy as it was custom to do so.. this may explain the destruction of the original hebrew sources especially since the new sources is what the Masoretic was based on, but still after Christ and the Apostles.. which means that the Septuagint was complete and later some books were omitted, so why is 3rd and 4rth esdras missing from the Septuagint?

The Vulgate of Jerome includes only a single book of Ezra, but in the Clementine Vulgate 1, 2, 3 and 4 Esdras are separate books. ... It appears in the Appendix to the Old Testament in the Slavonic Bible, where it is called 3 Esdras, and the Georgian Orthodox Bible numbers it 3 Ezra.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Esdras

 

[NathanH83]

The Vulgate of Jerome includes only a single book of Ezra, but in the Clementine Vulgate 1, 2, 3 and 4 Esdras are separate books. ... It appears in the Appendix to the Old Testament in the Slavonic Bible, where it is called 3 Esdras, and the Georgian Orthodox Bible numbers it 3 Ezra.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Esdras

What’s the Clementine Vulgate?

 

[Albion]

Even the Catholic Church doesn’t accept them as scripture. How did they end up in the King James apocrypha?

They were included in the publication (in accordance with the position of the Church of England that the Apocrypha is good to read for "example of life and instruction of manners." See Article VI of the Articles of Religion). They were not "in the Bible," however.





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[RichWh1]

What’s the Clementine Vulgate?

DescriptionThe Sixto-Clementine Vulgate or Clementine Vulgate is the edition of the Latin Vulgate from 1592, prepared by Pope Clement VIII. It was the second edition of the Vulgate authorised by the Catholic Church, the first being the Sixtine Vulgate. Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixto-Clementine_Vulgate

 

[NathanH83]

DescriptionThe Sixto-Clementine Vulgate or Clementine Vulgate is the edition of the Latin Vulgate from 1592, prepared by Pope Clement VIII. It was the second edition of the Vulgate authorised by the Catholic Church, the first being the Sixtine Vulgate. Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixto-Clementine_Vulgate

Were 3 and 4 Esdras in the Appendix in the Clemintine Vulgate?

 

[RichWh1]

Were 3 and 4 Esdras in the Appendix in the Clemintine Vulgate?

No they were not.

 

[NathanH83]

No they were not.

So 3 and 4 Esdras were included in the main body of text in the Clementine Vulgate?

 

[RichWh1]

So 3 and 4 Esdras were included in the main body of text in the Clementine Vulgate?

Evidently yes

 

[NathanH83]

Evidently yes

Evidently? You don’t know?

 

[RichWh1]

Evidently? You don’t know?

In other words- based on the evidence