Whose Son is YHWH, the Christ?

[Seve]

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[A Psalm of David.] Psalm 110:1 The LORD said unto my (David') Lord (YHWH), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Note: Insertions are mine for presentation of my view or biblical stand.

In the New Testament, we also read the following:

Mat 22
v41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
v42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
v43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
v44 The LORD said unto my (David') Lord (YHWH), Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
v45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
v46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

If David's Lord is YHWH himself of the Old Testament, then, whose Son is YHWH, the Christ?

Your thought or doctrinal view of the matter is welcome.

God Bless

 

[Seve]

Scripture tells us that YHWH is the only God ever physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him there was none, neither there shall be after him (Isa 43:10). He is the Express Image, physically of the Invisible Almighty God Father - of whom No Man hath seen at anytime - the First Born of Every Creature (Col 1:15)

In fact, YHWH himself made the following proclamations below....

Exo 6:3 And I (YHWH) APPEARED (physically) unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty (representing his invisible Father), but by my name JEHOVAH (YHWH) was I not known to them.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was No God Formed, neither shall there be after me.

In the New Testament, we also read the following:

Phl 2:6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: v7 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: v8 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Therefore, IF YHWH is the only God physically formed for us to see and witness (Isa 43:10), then, I will conclude that....

YHWH is Jesus Christ himself, the Son of the invisible Almighty God Father - the only God physically formed for us to see and witness - who was Again sent into this world in the New Testament and Made Flesh and took the form of a Man, and die for all mankind to save us from our sins.

Would be the case?.... IF you agree say....AMEN!

However, the question remains - Whose Son is David's Lord (YHWH) of the Old Testament, the Christ?

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[JRT]

YHWH is one of the understandings of God in the Jewish Scriptures. Other names used are Yah and El and sometimes Elohim. Jesus was a human person, a charismatic first century Jewish Rabbi, whose followers eventually regarded him as "the Christ" --- but not in the Jewish sense of a "messiah".

 

[Seve]

Dear Readers,

The Son of God physically EXISTED even BEFORE the World was. He was begotten or brought forth - from the bosom of the Invisible Spirit of the Father - into our physical world in the beginning of Genesis, when God said,"LET THERE BE LIGHT": and there was light. Gen. 1:3 Thus, YHWH or Jehovah, the Son of God, became the only God physically formed for us to see and witness - before there was none; neither there shall be after him.

His Father is the Invisible Spirit, the Spirit of Love, of whom No man hath seen at anytime NOR His name has been revealed to anyone at this time. The brightness of the glory of the the Son of God provided the light in the Beginning (Alpha) as He will also provide the light of the New Heaven and New Earth in the End (Omega)

Rev. 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

He was AGAIN sent into our physical world and Made Flesh - in the New Testament - to save us from our sins .
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Heb 1
v4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
v5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? AND AGAIN, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

v1:6 AND AGAIN, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Why do you suppose the words "AND AGAIN" are used repeatedly or emphasized in the texts- 2x? Let's continue reading.

v1:10 And,Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

As I have explained before, the Son of God - called Lord God in the OT - was brought forth (begotten) in the beginning of Genesis BEFORE the world was, and provided the Light (Gen 1:3) during the the creation process; and Made our physical worlds. He was again sent into this world in the New Testament; made flesh; born of the Virgin Mary; and die for us to save us form our sins.

v1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Conclusion: YHWH or Jehovah is Jesus Christ himself, the Son of the invisible Almighty God Father, of whom No man hath seen at anytime NOR His name has been revealed to anyone at this time.

God Bless

 

[Seve]

Here is the Mystical Union of God Collectively (Elohim) - the Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - as One God - that is supported by the Scripture and Biblical Proof texts:

A Mystical Union of God as One, is Made in Heaven: Example - One of which is the Union of Marriage which becomes One Flesh in the eyes of God, according to the Scripture. Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of heaven, it is God who actually joins the man and the woman in the Union of Marriage.

One in Unity is also used in the case of Gen. 2:23-24. The husband and wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text is only possible in the sense of Unity or as Collective One - A Mystical Union from Heaven.

Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, BECAUSE SHE WAS TAKEN OUT OF MAN.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: AND THEY SHALL BE ONE FLESH.

This Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent, of course. The Unity of the Triune of God (Elohim) as One (echad) LORD.

Since, BOTH the Son of God and the Holy Spirit - PROCEEDED FORTH from the Father - ALL THREE Divine Entities have exactly the same Spirit Essence as God - collectively - A MYSTICAL UNION OF GOD, INDEED.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One (echad) LORD. (collectively that is)

We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, I and my Father are one - One in Unity not in number. It is also in this sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One in this sense of Unity, according to John 17:21.

BELOW, should have been the correct logical way to present the plurality of God, based on the Scripture. However, it comes with a debatable controversy TODAY due to the way it was presented by those who hold this Ancient Traditional Trinity believer's doctrinal reasonings which is FLAWED - (3-1 God, literally speaking).

[1Jo 5:7-8 KJV] For there are three (numeric) that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric) are one (in unity).

Therefore, it is my Biblical Stand that the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity - NOT - 3 in 1 in numeric number, literally speaking as shown and illustrated above.

God Bless

 

[Lamb]

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[Seve]

Dear Readers,

Have ye not known? Have ye not heard? It is a Biblical fact that the invisible Almighty God Father has its OWN SELF BEING separate from the Son - even before the world was.

Here’s what the Son said during the time he was praying to his Father before his physical death on the cross in the New Testament.

Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me withTHINE OWN SELF with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

The Son is reminding his invisible God Father of the Brightness of his Glory - a physical trait - that he shared with the Father even BEFORE the world was, when He commanded and said "LET THERE BE LIGHT: and there was light." (Gen 1:3).

Therefore, the traditional belief that the Son only Physically Existed into this world AFTER he was born of our virgin Mary’ womb in the New Testament is WRONG and not supported by the Scripture.

Heb 1
v4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
v5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time,*Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? AND AGAIN, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
v1:6 AND AGAIN, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Why do you suppose the words "AND AGAIN" are used repeatedly or emphasized in the texts- 2x? Let's continue reading.

v1:10 And,Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

As I have explained before, the Son of God -*called Lord God in the OT*- was brought forth (begotten) BEFORE*the world was…. and provided the Light (Gen 1:3) in the beginning of creation. The Son also FORMED*and shape our physical worlds with his own physical hands - like a Potter would mold a clay. He was*again*sent into this world in the New Testament; made flesh; born of the Virgin Mary; and die for us to save us form our sins.

v1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

God Bless

 

[Lamb]

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[Seve]

Dear Readers,

The notion that the Son of the invisible God did not exist or begotten separately from BOSOM of the invisible Almighty God Father in the beginning of Genesis; from everlasting BEFORE the world was, is only based on biblical ignorance of others who derived it from the Ancient Traditional Goatherder’s Theology which is NOT supported by the Scripture.

Col 1:15-17 Who is the image of the invisible God,the firstborn of every creature: v16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: v17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

YHWH, the Son of the invisible God, is BEFORE all things, the FIRSTBORN of Every Creature. He was AGAIN sent into our World; Made Flesh; became known as Jesus Christ in the New Testament; and paid for our sins.

Below, are some more Biblical Proof Texts that are in harmony together in Chronological Order of the Events - contrary to the Traditional Goatherder’s Theology. The Son of God being Brought Forth into this Physical World BEFORE anything is made that was made -*BEFORE* the Making of our Physical Worlds (plural).

Strictly based on compilation of different Scriptures - My three (3) witnesses.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (Jhn 1:1). The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. (Pro 8:22). And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Gen 1:2). The same was in the beginning with God. (Jhn 1:2). I was set up*from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. (Pro 8:3). And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (Gen 1:3). All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (Jhn 1:3). When there were no depths,*I was brought forth*(begotten); when there were no fountains abounding with water. (Pro 8:24). And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.(Gen 1:4). In him was life; and the life was the light of men.(Jhn 1:4). Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: (Pro 8:25). And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. (Gen 1:5). And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. (Jhn 1:5)

God Bless