Who identifies as Charismatic

[tango]

Because I get the feeling that if I said the sky was blue I would get an argument about it is why perhaps denomination specific forums or at least like minded believers can gather. I come here to enjoy it and fellowship with others, not get into endless debates about scripture that change noones mind in terms of what they believe, that was CF and I dont go there much at all anymore and if I do it is only to the fellowship threads, nothing serious. After 10 years over there I am well aware of when someione just wants to come aginst what I do believe and you wont change my mind and I am sure I wont change yours. I am not a scholor by any stretch and while I may know scripture I dont always know where to find it so rather than waste countless hours trying to look up what you already know I will just bow out of threads or at the very leasty just avoid anything that you and your friend might find controversial and leave you to your beliefs. As I have said I have had quite enough of this, after two days of fencing with you and your counterpart I will leave it to others who may wish to spend all their time on this, I dont

If nobody is ever willing to reconsider their viewpoints there's little point discussing things of any more significance than the weather.

With respect, if you can't explain why you believe what you do perhaps that's a good sign it's worth rethinking. Some years ago a particular event occurred (it actually happened to a friend, but details aren't relevant here) that made me stop and reconsider just about everything I'd ever believed about the Christian faith. I re-examined things to an extent that my wife actually asked if I still had a faith at all. But what I'd done was to essentially push everything away to arm's length and then reconsider it before assuming it was true just because a Sunday School teacher, or a preacher, or a book author, said it.

If you get yourself a copy of e-sword (from www.e-sword.net) you can quickly look for things in the Bible. It's something I use a lot if I remember a verse but not the reference. It's also handy for quoting the Bible in posts, as it saves so much retyping. The price is pretty nice too, it's free (you can make an optional donation, which makes no difference to your usage of the product) and there are a few Bible translations, commentaries, dictionaries etc that are also free. There are also some resources that have a price, which is usually very reasonable.

Who are you referring to as "my friend"? I post here based on my own views and my own understanding of Scripture. I'm not looking to play tag-team with anyone, just wanting to find the truth.

 

[psalms 91]

Thank you for your gracious response, I was feeling overwhelmed yesterday and I probably said a little more than I should but I really dont have any desire to hash over and over again what and why I believe. I have looked at things many times and while I may not always know how to explain I am firm in what I believe and know that it is grounded in scripture as many sermons have been said on the subject. CF left me really weary ass I had a couple of protagonists over there for years until I finally just left them to their beliefs. By your friend I meant that there was another who was also sparring with me as well, not necessarily your friend. While I know that some rteally enjoy debate a lot I am not one of them, I do to an extent but not to the point I must spend hours and hours on it.

 

[Hebrews 11]

The awareness of being charismatic inwardly is negative.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

Stating that Spiritual awareness is negative,is a Red Herring.

The next statement on faith that was posted,is personal philosophy void of a Bibical foundation.

Faith is explained in the Bible by the book of Hebrews ch.11.

No pun intended

 

[Hebrews 11]

Being Charismatic is simply termed full Gospel.

Full Gospel believers believe the Bible is the same yesterday today and tomorrow.

God does not change his Word nor has it or parts expired.

God's Word was not a temporary sign for the early Church or the Jewish people.

Charismatic believers believe God's Word is absolute truth.

Like all Christians Charismatics believe Christ Jesus is the living Son of God,who bore our sin by his shed blood,his death burial and resurrection.

Any other doctrine that teaches contrary to Christ's Devine nature is antiChrist.

Galatians ch. 1:
[3] Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

[4] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

[5] To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

[6] I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

[7] Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

[8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

[9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

[10] For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Hebrews 11,
I don't think that I stated that spiritual awarness is negative.

Any description I give of Faith will be from experience and scripture.


Faith in selfless Unity through Good

 

[popsthebuilder]

Thanks.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

 

[Hebrews 11]

So would you argue that it is within the core theology to demote Jesus to "a Christ, a son of the living God" because we can have the same "Christ anointing" that Jesus had and claim that Jesus performed miracles as "a man in right relationship with God" but "not as God"? Or would you say that such claims would tag a teacher as bringing another gospel and a false Jesus?

If I can have the same "Christ anointing" that Jesus had then doesn't it logically follow that I don't need a Saviour at all? If I can have the same "Christ anointing" that Jesus had then I end up more or less at the same level as Jesus himself, no?

Of course it is logical.
If you have the same hair as your dad could you have gotten that hair without him?

Christ walked as a man on earth,he received the Holy Spirit of God and by the power of the Holy Spirit fulfilled his ministry of miracles.

He walked by Faith in God,and sinless as our Saviour, by salvation through him we are now the Sons of God.

 

[Hebrews 11]

Hebrews 11,
I don't think that I stated that spiritual awarness is negative.

Any description I give of Faith will be from experience and scripture.


Faith in selfless Unity through Good

I disagree that faith is selfless unity with God.

Belief in God is a type of Faith but not the definition of Faith.

Faith cannot be selfless because you are required to believe,this requires a self expression.

Faith is not Altrusim, or a act of personal holiness.

Faith is belief that all of the promises of God That pertain to you will come to pass.

Now Faith is the substance [ material matter] of things [ things are needs wants desires] hoped for [ hope is the expection of better things to come] the evidence [ proof of] things not seen[ knowing we walk by faith and not by sight our expection ]

 

[Hebrews 11]

Hebrews 11,
I don't think that I stated that spiritual awarness is negative.

Any description I give of Faith will be from experience and scripture.


Faith in selfless Unity through Good

Spiritual awareness and charismatic are synonymous.

noun, plural charismata [kuh-riz-muh-tuh] (Show IPA)
1.
Theology. a divinely conferred gift or power.


Source dictionary on line.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I disagree that faith is selfless unity with God.

Belief in God is a type of Faith but not the definition of Faith.

Faith cannot be selfless because you are required to believe,this requires a self expression.

Faith is not Altrusim, or a act of personal holiness.

Faith is belief that all of the promises of God That pertain to you will come to pass.

Now Faith is the substance [ material matter] of things [ things are needs wants desires] hoped for [ hope is the expection of better things to come] the evidence [ proof of] things not seen[ knowing we walk by faith and not by sight our expection ]

What are you rambling about? It Faith isn't selfless then you are being prideful, which is wrong. We are to be humble.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

 

[popsthebuilder]

Yes I misunderstood you initially about charismatic. I apologize. Thank you for the clarification of the term m the context you are using it.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

 

[psalms 91]

The sad part is that so many in the church today do not hear from God. For many they are blind and deaf spiritually and that is dangerous both personally and for the church as a whole

 

[Tallguy88]

I was raised in the pentecostal church and I still believe in tounges and the other gifts of the Spirit, like prophecy and healing.

 

[psalms 91]

Glad to have you here Dale

 

[tango]

The sad part is that so many in the church today do not hear from God. For many they are blind and deaf spiritually and that is dangerous both personally and for the church as a whole

It's sad that some people don't hear God at all while others chase this way and that way believing they are "hearing from God" but never seem to test what "God says" against Scripture.

A while back I was talking to a guy who was a church elder, asking him about some teaching he was using in the church because as far as I could tell it taught the exact opposite of what Scripture taught. His response was that he had looked through it and it "didn't cause any checks within his spirit" so it must be OK. He didn't even answer my question about it teaching the exact opposite of what Scripture says.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Well I figure I'm at least pentecostal due to that's the birthday of the church :woot:

Acts 7:38 Stephen refers to the the church in the wilderness. It's my thought that the "birth" date of the church was way before Acts. The day of Pentecost was the "empowering of the church"

 

[Alithis]

How many people on this site identify as charasmatic?

i would identify more with the "day of pentecost" being that the lord is the same yesterday today and forever and his promises are faithful and true and he is faithful and true unto them .

-iv never been comfortable with the "charismatic terminology" nor movement .

 

[Biblicist]

Hi, this is my first post where I will say that I am more of a Pentecostal than I am charismatic.

 

[psalms 91]

I am both and also Messianic

 

[Biblicist]

I am both and also Messianic

I'm not sure that it is possible to be both charismatic and Pentecostal as the two are not the same.

A Pentecostal is someone who belongs to a denomination that was established along Full Gospel lines (i.e., AoG) whereas a charismatic is someone who adheres to the general tenants of the Full Gospel but where they belong to a denomination whose theology is not Full Gospel, as per the Anglicans and Baptists; that's the formal definition at least but over the years this distinction has been changed to where the populist understanding now includes Pentecostals as well.

Having now said this, a Pentecostal can still belong to a charismatic or even a quasi-charismatic congregation if the individual concerned adheres to those doctrines that are distinctively Pentecostal, such as with connecting tongues with the reception of the Holy Spirit, where this reception can be either subsequent to our Salvation or soteriological.