Where is the proof that if the body dies that the body is the same body afterwards same unchanging awareness

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@Holy999, when our bodies die, our souls go to God, while our bodies go to dust. When Jesus returns, we who trust in Jesus will be raised from the dead. I believe the Bible says that our bodies will be these same, but spiritually-transformed (that is, filled with and guided by the Spirit) bodies that will be perfected to be like Jesus' glorified body:

Php 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
Php 3:21 who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.

1Co 15:35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?”
1Co 15:36 You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
1Co 15:37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.
1Co 15:38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body.
1Co 15:39 For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish.
1Co 15:40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another.
1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.
1Co 15:42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
 

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That's actually a good question, Jesus told us that we will be like the Angels which implies not male and female but non sexual at all which seems to indicate we will be very different than we are corporeally. Consider: The first thing known about a new arrival (a person being born) is its sex and the last thing forgotten about him or her is their sex (when you forget someones sex, you no longer remember the person).

Consider also that Jesus told us that the Kingdom of Heaven is within us (several translations of this, all meaning the same thing).

So we need to consider both where Heaven will be, the one eternal place for us, and what we will be within it. Will our place be on earth, a changed earth from what it is now, and will we no longer be male and female in it but some very different type of being (like the angels are)?

For that matter, will we even remember our prior life, much the same way a baby rarely has memories before being born?

Just questions to consider from curiosity, not something of pragmatic use in our daily life.
 

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That's actually a good question, Jesus told us that we will be like the Angels which implies not male and female but non sexual at all which seems to indicate we will be very different than we are corporeally. Consider: The first thing known about a new arrival (a person being born) is its sex and the last thing forgotten about him or her is their sex (when you forget someones sex, you no longer remember the person).

Consider also that Jesus told us that the Kingdom of Heaven is within us (several translations of this, all meaning the same thing).

So we need to consider both where Heaven will be, the one eternal place for us, and what we will be within it. Will our place be on earth, a changed earth from what it is now, and will we no longer be male and female in it but some very different type of being (like the angels are)?

For that matter, will we even remember our prior life, much the same way a baby rarely has memories before being born?

Just questions to consider from curiosity, not something of pragmatic use in our daily life.
@Frankj, I'm afraid that you're taking an idea out of its context when you say that being like the angels "implies not male and female but non-sexual at all." Jesus was just referring to our marital state in response to a ridiculous trap posed by the Pharisees:

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

Jesus says nothing about the state of our resurrection bodies, which will be like Jesus' glorious body:

Php 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
Php 3:21 who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.
 

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@Frankj, I'm afraid that you're taking an idea out of its context when you say that being like the angels "implies not male and female but non-sexual at all." Jesus was just referring to our marital state in response to a ridiculous trap posed by the Pharisees:
You may be right about this, but let me ask: If we are to be both males and females in heaven, and the obvious purpose of that is reproduction, what will be the nature of our sexual relations in heaven?

When I see 'as the angels. I also look for anything in the Bible that indicates the Angels have a sex of either male or female, more so that they do not have sex and do not reproduce which is the purpose of sex.

So how would you address this concern of mine that we will not be sexual beings when resurrected?

As Einstein would say, "Why would God do it that way"?
 

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You may be right about this, but let me ask: If we are to be both males and females in heaven, and the obvious purpose of that is reproduction, what will be the nature of our sexual relations in heaven?

When I see 'as the angels. I also look for anything in the Bible that indicates the Angels have a sex of either male or female, more so that they do not have sex and do not reproduce which is the purpose of sex.

So how would you address this concern of mine that we will not be sexual beings when resurrected?

As Einstein would say, "Why would God do it that way"?
Hi Frank , I don't know. But if there is anything to it, not that we would want for anything, but perhaps complitarianism and / or maybe fellowship?
 

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You may be right about this, but let me ask: If we are to be both males and females in heaven, and the obvious purpose of that is reproduction, what will be the nature of our sexual relations in heaven?

When I see 'as the angels. I also look for anything in the Bible that indicates the Angels have a sex of either male or female, more so that they do not have sex and do not reproduce which is the purpose of sex.

So how would you address this concern of mine that we will not be sexual beings when resurrected?

As Einstein would say, "Why would God do it that way"?
@Frankj, you are asking an unanswerable question, because the Bible doesn't say what our resurrection bodies will be like, sexually or physically. It appears in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 that they will be these bodies perfectly transformed, strengthened, and full of God's glory, but beyond that description, we'll just have to wait and find out. I do yearn for that day when Jesus returns and raises us from the dead or transforms us if we're still here.

1Co 15:42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
 
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