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When your pet gets old and is suffering due to health or maybe illness, do you take your pet in to the Vet to be put down? Or put to sleep as some call it? There are some businesses that will come to your home and I think I would have liked that, but fortunately, my dog died in her sleep at home.
 

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When your pet gets old and is suffering due to health or maybe illness, do you take your pet in to the Vet to be put down? Or put to sleep as some call it? There are some businesses that will come to your home and I think I would have liked that, but fortunately, my dog died in her sleep at home.
I had a chocolate Lab who made it to 11yrs old, bought him out of the local newspaper 30yrs ago for like $50 what a hunting dog!

Went to the library and obtained a few training videos on dogs and hunting, invested a year into my best friend and what a champion he turned out to be!

Hunting friend I worked with bought a pedigree hunting Lab for like $3,000, sent him to private training for like 6 months for another $3,000 and his dog didn't perform like my Ole buddy who pulled off double blind retrieves duck hunting, and went on point and flush for upland game, all on verbal and hand signal commands

My wife was a bit jealous of him, she knew well he had a big place in my heart, I loved that Ole guy!

The time came when he developed tumors etc and the vet back then wanted like $1,000 for surgery and treatment with no end in sight, it was at this time we parted our ways and he still lives in my heart, my Ole buddy!
 
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My wife was a bit jealous of him, she knew well he had a big place in my heart, I loved that Ole guy!

That's funny Brother.

I had an English Mastiff and I traded a medium sized Plumbing job for the breeder and when he died it hit me sort of hard. He was only 4.5 years old. Some type of kidney failure? Now he was no hunting dog but he sure was smart we spent a lot of time together and he learned fast. He didn't point or flush, but I walked him down the street on the main street in Columbus without a leash. When I tried to put a leash on him, he looked at me like I hurt his feelings, so I left the leash at home. He would walk right beside me and at my pace. He wouldn't even look at people who walked. The people would walk up and realize he had no leash so some of them gave him a wide berth! I think that was the most well behaved dog that I ever had, and I've always been a dog lover.

My dog, Thor was so big that he sat on the couch like a gentleman, butt on the sofa and 4 paws on the ground. He didn't bark often but when he did, I knew it was serious and something to be looked into. The first time Thor got to meet a particular friend of mine, he growled at him! One guy out of all my friends. I never looked at that friend the same after that, I figured Thor knew something I didn't!
 

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Never. Euthanasia is never ok for creatures that cannot consent.
 

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Never. Euthanasia is never ok for creatures that cannot consent.
But allowing the extended pain and suffering that they suffer from living a much longer life than they would if they were in the wild is OK?

Keep in mind that older animals, sick animals, and weak animals in the wild do not suffer extended periods of misery as they age, they are killed by other animals before this can happen.

Did those other animals bother to get their consent? Or did they simply do what nature dictates and end their lives quickly.

Trying to apply a misguided human concept to the rest of the living world does not lead to anything good.
 

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Never. Euthanasia is never ok for creatures that cannot consent.

Sometimes you can just see in their eyes that they're ready to go, but their body isn't doing it.
 

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Sometimes you can just see in their eyes that they're ready to go, but their body isn't doing it.
That's God's problem, not mine. God will have to explain to them why He allowed for them to suffer. We are not called to kill. Period.
 

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Keep in mind that older animals, sick animals, and weak animals in the wild do not suffer extended periods of misery as they age, they are killed by other animals before this can happen.
What about animals that have no predators? Does anyone hunt and kill an old polar bear who is suffering in pain? No, no one does. Polar bears don't kill each other and they have no predators. Same with crocodiles, elephants, hippos, gorillas etc.

Did those other animals bother to get their consent? Or did they simply do what nature dictates and end their lives quickly.

Trying to apply a misguided human concept to the rest of the living world does not lead to anything good.
Nature doesn't dictate anything. Nature is a metaphysical concept with no agency. We live in a fallen world where some animals were corrupted from veganism to meat eating. I don't know the mechanics of why or how that happened, but I trust my moral conscience to tell me that killing is wrong. The fact that others have a skewed moral conscience is unfortunate.
 

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What about animals that have no predators? Does anyone hunt and kill an old polar bear who is suffering in pain? No, no one does. Polar bears don't kill each other and they have no predators. Same with crocodiles, elephants, hippos, gorillas etc.

You should get out more, because there aint a bit of that that is true.
 

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Nature doesn't dictate anything. Nature is a metaphysical concept with no agency.
Oh boy, are you ever going down the wrong path.

Don't let your own craftiness stand in your way if you are looking for the truth.
 

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Nature doesn't dictate anything. Nature is a metaphysical concept with no agency.

So you've never been rough camping before. Not RV camping, not tailgating, rough camping, means park the truck and walk with everything over a couple ridges and pick a spot and pitch your tent.

If you do that you will see very quick that nature has all sorts of agency in those woods! I camped in the Rocky mountains a lot in 30 years that I lived there and some trips were harder than others. But you can't call a mountain lion a concept. There is a lot of very real dangers in nature. I learned fast, you don't go into the mountains or woods or whatever unarmed. But even with preparation nature can rise against you fast, and it's not always beasts with fangs. Summertime in the mountains, sun shining, nice and warm, just a hint of some clouds coming over the ridge...15 minutes later those clouds blew in fast, dumped a foot of snow and dropped the temp to 35 degrees! I didn't have my winter coat with me, it's summertime! I wont go in mountains even in summer without backup clothes/coats now, just in case. We got a foot of snow in 15 minutes! That's no concept either, that's wood to burn, lol.
 

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Maybe we was divinely above nature before they fell in the Garden of Eden, but when man fell, the world fell with them, so nature started dictating to man! If we treat is as a concept then, we become complacent and many people have died outside in nature. Nature dictates, have water, have food, two ways to light fires, clothing for different types of weather, and a gun or three. Or you could die.

When my kids were still small and at that age where we was putting them in time out standing in the corner. One day, our Shepard/Lab mix got himself into trouble, so I put him in time out, and made him stand in the corner with his nose to the wall, lol. I have a picture of Bear in time out somewhere around here! That was funny! But it worked. When people would stop by my house, they'd say, what's your dog doing? (With his nose in the corner! )
 

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Lol, I already knew that you feel like that. You've been stating false things about animals, and I know better. So you need to get out more and away from the fantasies and then you would learn fast about reality in the natural realm.

Camping isnt that hard, it's just real. But understand that, what you said is not truth, they lied to you! Dont believe me? Go into the woods with no guns or way to start a fire.

Are you one of those anti gun types too? Wrestle a lion one time and you'll be cured of that too!
 

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Are you one of those anti gun types too? Wrestle a lion one time and you'll be cured of that too!
I started out rifle hunting had a 308 Remington 788 bought from a gunsmith for $125 I met at the range, he overhauled that rifle, floated the barrel, trigger work, on and on what a deal, I could group quarters at a 100yds with a 4x4 scope, killed a few nice bucks with it in Utah

I then I picked up a bow for about 15yrs and killed a bunch of nice bucks with it before giving up on hunting, I mastered the craft and started ocean fishing I've had several boats and currently have a 18ft center console, we fill the ice chest full!

The guy who taught me how to bow hunt owned a archery shop, he was tops in So Cal, Trophy Local Bears 500lbs+, monster elk from Utah/Colorado, Monster Bucks from every where

He told me one of "Many" of his stories, he Saud he was on the trail back to his truck and he got that 6th sense feeling and turned around, and a big 180lb+ mountain lion was behind him like 30ft doing the sneak crawl to jump on his back, shot him with a arrow

He was on a standard deer trail hunting a brute bear 500+ and they went face to face on the trail 20t apart as the bear stood on its hinds, he hit the bear in the right chest, he jumped in the brush feet hanging out on the trail, all he said was he could remember the bear rattling the alumnium arrow shaft in his teeth trying to pull it, as the bear hit his feet running by on the trail

Those are just a few of many real life stories, Ole Earl was the man, could track a hit animal like a blood hound, lots of good and scary memories
 
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I started out rifle hunting had a 308 Remington 788 bought from a gunsmith for $125 I met at the range, he overhauled that rifle, floated the barrel, trigger work, on and on what a deal, I could group quarters at a 100yds with a 4x4 scope, killed a few nice bucks with it in Utah

I then I picked up a bow for about 15yrs and killed a bunch of nice bucks with it before giving up on hunting, I mastered the craft and started ocean fishing I've had several boats and currently have a 18ft center console, we fill the ice chest full!

The guy who taught me how to bow hunt owned a archery shop, he was tops in So Cal, Trophy Local Bears 500lbs+, monster elk from Utah/Colorado, Monster Bucks from every where

He told me one of "Many" of his stories, he Saud he was on the trail back to his truck and he got that 6th sense feeling and turned around, and a big 180lb+ mountain lion was behind him like 30ft doing the sneak crawl to jump on his back, shot him with a arrow

He was on a standard deer trail hunting a brute bear 500+ and they went face to face on the trail 20t apart as the bear stood on its hinds, he hit the bear in the right chest, he jumped in the brush feet hanging out on the trail, all he said was he could remember the bear rattling the alumnium arrow shaft in his teeth trying to pull it, as the bear hit his feet running by on the trail

Those are just a few of many real life stories, Ole Earl was the man, could track a hit animal like a blood hound, lots of good and scary memories

He was luckier than I was with that mountain! An arrow against a Mtn. Lion?! I never was bow guy, Oh I had a nice bow at one time but I couldn't hit anything beyond 35 yards or so, so I never took it hunting. My Mtn Lion story was in Colorado also, that's where I lived for about 30 years. I stopped off on my way home from work to buy a new 22 rifle, a 10/22. And Something came over me and I just had to shoot that rifle, and now. SO I bought some Mini-Mags and headed up alone. I didn't go up Rampart Range rd very far and I took of on a trail to find a private place to shoot my new rifle.

So I'm walking up the trail and I come to a bend in the trail and didn't think twice, just went on around it...and we saw each other at the same time! A Mtn. Lion ws there and it scared the pee out of me! Her too she didn't hear me coming because I was fiddling with my rifle. She let out a roar like lions do and that little 10/22 leaped to my should and I was up and firing. I saw her taking the hits and realized I am about to be out of ammo, all I had was the 10 rnd mag that came with the gun! So I forced myself to stop and put one in her head, and she dropped like a rock and it was over. She was close like 10 ft away and that's leaping distance So I immediately understood that I was in some serious danger there so I better shoot.

After that I remembered how very not uncommon it is to hear about mtn lion stories where lions attack someone on the trail. So I learned to have more gun with me (and a backup pistol) and when camping make nopise along the trails to make sure animals here you real soon and have a chance to run.

30 years out there and never did ever see a bear. Bighorn sheep, mtn goats, lions, deer and elk. My elk rifle was a 1895G in 45/70. I never connected with an elk though. I had my sons along one year and we seen a herd moving quickly and I was ready but so was my son I seen so I let him have that shot, and he got one! A big one, with a Remington 700ADL youth rifle in .308, right through the shoulder and both lungs. We eat tonight! It wound up being the next day because it took us most the night to drag that elk 3 inches at a time over 3 ridges back to the truck, lol.

I've killed Mule deer with that 45/70 though in different years.
 

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I started out rifle hunting had a 308 Remington 788 bought from a gunsmith for $125 I met at the range, he overhauled that rifle, floated the barrel, trigger work, on and on what a deal, I could group quarters at a 100yds with a 4x4 scope, killed a few nice bucks with it in Utah

I had bought both my sons Rem. 308 youth rifles, and no scopes! Hahaha! I put good peep sights on them so they could learn that way. They did good, one shot one kill on that elk, DRT. (Well, he walked over one ridge and found a place to lay down and lick his wound. And bled out.

Do you handload your own ammo?
I have some guns that have never fired a factory round and are old! A couple have never fired a jacketed round! (I cast my boolits too).
 

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I had bought both my sons Rem. 308 youth rifles, and no scopes! Hahaha! I put good peep sights on them so they could learn that way. They did good, one shot one kill on that elk, DRT. (Well, he walked over one ridge and found a place to lay down and lick his wound. And bled out.

Do you handload your own ammo?
I have some guns that have never fired a factory round and are old! A couple have never fired a jacketed round! (I cast my boolits too).
No not really hunting or shooting at the range much anymore, factory ammo is the go to when needed, I'm the fish killer now

At one time I was loading my 357, 308, 243, Ammo, my buddies dad loaded shot gun shells for water fowl and upland game

Sierra Bullets factory was not far away in So Cal at the time and I bought their blemished seconds, good bullets just discolored a bit for like 1/4 the price as the gun shop, I liked the 165gr boat tail in my 308 it flew great, 180gr round nose for my 357 scoped for pig hunting, 110gr boat tail for the 243, flat shooter

I remember I liked that IMR 3031 gun powder nitro cellulose burned clean and fast , used the standard CC primers, I had a little rock chucker RCBS kit, loaded for all the hunting buddies too

I had a buddy that was casting lead bullets wad cutter paper cutters, I helped him out with raw lead I collected from guys I knew
 
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That was my trade, plumbing, heat & air and gas so I knew a lot of plumbers in C. Springs and I had a few of them who would come over with old lead bins drop them off in the alley for me. I started collection wheel weights before they started making them less than 100 lead. I had a few tire shops where I knew the guys and they would save the old ones for me and so sometimes I'd swing by with a 6 pack or a 12 pack for them in appreciation. And I'm still not out of them! I have so many moulds. I have seven? 44 moulds. 180 WC, 245 Keith, 300 Keith GC, 255 SWC GC, 246 RN (which shoots so very weirdly accurate!) and a 238 SWC. and I forget the other one, lol. I'd have to go look. I figured out long ago that it isn't driving the boolits too fast that makes your gun lead up, it is undersize boolits. Lyman moulds all drop big so I let a machinist friend open up a couple sizing dies for me that wouldn't size the bullet but only lube it! And there is so ittle leadig that it made me feel like, who needs jacket bullets at all?!

Remember the ammo shortage awhile back? I didn't have an ammo shortage! (except they caught me with my pants down with 22LR's lol) I remedied that situation! I have a Rock Chucker and a Dillon 550B (4 stations) and mostly load 223's on that, oh and 45's. I tried loading 308 Win and 44 Mag on it and it didn't do as good with them that I do on my rock chucker so I don't load them on the Dillon any more.

I also learned something else very interesting! Do you ever use Match grade boolits? Do you know what about it makes it "Match Grade"? It's the weight. Oh it may be swaged nicer than a cast boolit but the accuracy potential is more because of consistent weight. Those Sierra 69 gr Match Bullets? They are, 69 grains, every one. Now with wheel weight's and casting boolits the weights can be all over the place with variation in weight. WW's cast heacier than lead, and if you don't monitor the lead melt temps and say, add a few ingot because the pots getting low. That drops the temperature of the melt. So weights will vary. So I got me a SS probe that hooked up to my meter and cast bullets taking care to keep the casting temp the same when casting...and, I got less variation but not zero!
So what I used to do is weigh all my cast boolits and segregate the ones of perfect weight. Then all the boolits which are less or more I kept because they are plenty good for range ammo. And when we went t the range I quietly used my (match grade) cast lead boolits and let my wife's 3 brothers & friends shoot the range ammo. Many times, we'd all through 10 bucks in the coffee can and winner take all...I won a lot! I don't think I ever did tell them about that, lol. But the point is, man, those cast lead :Match" boolits were scary accurate. Just like store bought match bullets. So consistent weight and oversized is how I work up my loads.
I like 3031 too!
 
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