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What is "the Lord's day", the 7th day, the 1st day or some other eschatological day, or something else?

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What is "the Lord's day", the 7th day, the 1st day or some other eschatological day, or something else?

A single page (dual sided) informational, is freely given here - Single Page (Dual Sided) Charts - Prophecy Print Outs : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

A much more in depth and broad scope consideration is freely given, here - The 7th Day The Sabbath - The Rest Of His Eternal Story (by Aaron Earnest) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

What is "the Lord's day"?​
Where is this phrase found in scripture?​
What is it's connection to "the sabbath of the LORD", "the seventh day" if any?​
What is the historical consideration of the phrase?​
Are there any historical citations that people bring up in relation to this subject, and are they rightly considered in their original languages, and contexts?​
Some video for those that like to watch, rather than read:

Part 01 (English only) -

Part 02 (English only) -

Part 03 (English only) -


For those that desire some Fijian translation can see those here (please note the titles) -

As always, please feel free to comment, ask questions, participate in discussion, engage in prayerful bible study together! Take the time to follow scriptural counsel and read the material before entering into conversation, Pro. 18:13,17, and come to listen to what is being presented, as in Job, before speaking. There is no need to rush into anything when discussing such weighty matters. Better to ask clarifying questions, and listen to one another, and then go to the Bible together.

I will be glad to discuss this topic with those also desiring to do so.
 

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At the very end of the scriptures, in the last book of the Bible, that of the Revelation of Jesus Christ, there exists a text which many resort to, to sustain their weekly practice of gathering upon the ‘first [day] of the week’. The text is Revelation 1:10:

Revelation 1:10 KJB - I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,​
Revelation 1:10 GNT TR - εγενομην εν πνευματι εν τη κυριακη ημερα και ηκουσα οπισω μου φωνην μεγαλην ως σαλπιγγος​

Those persons which refer to Rev. 1:10, to sustain their belief that the ‘first [day] of the week’ is now the day of Christian communal gathering, assume that the phrase “the Lord’s day” means the 1st day. This assumption is unwarranted and non-contextual. Others seek to define the phrase from those which they call the ‘ECF’ (Early Church Fathers). However, it is very unwise and unsafe to define words in the Bible, with words of others outside of the Bible and who came long after the text was written (Isa. 8:20, 28:10,13; 1 Pet. 4:11 KJB). Three questions can be asked in relation to this particular text:

Is “the Lord’s day” (Rev. 1:10 KJB) the 7th Day of the Week, also known as the Sabbath (Gen. 2:1-3; Exo. 20:8-11; Isa. 58:13; Mar. 2:27-28 KJB) of the LORD?​
Is “the Lord’s day” (Rev. 1:10 KJB) the 1st Day of the Week (Gen. 1:5; Mat. 28:1 KJB), whom some call ‘Sunday’?​
Is “the Lord’s day” (Rev. 1:10 KJB) the eschatological day (Rev. 16:14 KJB) of the Lord Jesus’ return?​

Consider the immediate context of Rev. 1:10 KJB:

John was on the Isle of Patmos for what reasons?

Revelation 1:2 KJB - “... the word of God ... the testimony of Jesus Christ ...”​
Revelation 1:9 KJB - “... the word of God ... the testimony of Jesus Christ ...”​

It is even given in other places:

Revelation 6:9 KJB - “... the word of God ... the testimony ...”​
Revelation 20:4 KJB - “... the witness of Jesus ... the word of God ...”​

What are these two things? No need to guess:

Revelation 12:17 KJB - “... the commandments of God ... the testimony of Jesus Christ.”​

This is found way back in the OT:

Deuteronomy 4:2 KJB - “... the word which I command you, ... the commandments of the LORD your God ...”​

When John writes “the Lord's day” (Rev. 1:10 KJB), it is in the context of “the word of God”, or, God’s Commandments. Well, which commandment then? John says:

Revelation 14:7 KJB - “... worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.”​
Revelation 14:12 KJB - “... keep the commandments of God ... the faith of Jesus.”​

John is specifically citing the 4th Commandment:

Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

The LORD has chosen a specific (definite article) “day”. It is thus “the LORD(’s) ... day”, being His sabbath, the 7th day, from the foundation of the world in Gen. 2:1-3,4 KJB, where therein it is “God(’s; the LORD’s) ... day”.

The “word of God” = God’s commandments:

Isaiah 1:10 - “... the word of the LORD ... the law of our God ...”​

The “testimony of Jesus” is the Spirit of prophecy (Rev. 19:10 KJB):

Revelation 19:10 KJB - And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.​

Notice the two witnesses are always together:

2 Kings 17:13 KJB - “... the LORD testified ... by all the prophets, and by all the seers ... keep my commandments ... the law which I commanded ... by my servants the prophets.”​
Psalms 19:7 KJB - “The law of the LORD ... the testimony of the LORD ...”​
Psalms 78:5 KJB - “... a testimony ... a law ...”​
Proverbs 29:18 KJB - “... vision ... the law ...”​
Isaiah 8:16 KJB - “... the testimony ... the law ...”​
Isaiah 8:20 KJB - “... the law ... the testimony ... this word ...”​
Lamentations 2:9 KJB - “... the law ... prophets ... vision from the LORD.”​
Ezekiel 7:26 KJB - “... a vision of the prophet ... the law ...”​
Matthew 22:40 KJB - “... the law ... the prophets.”​
Romans 3:21 KJB - “... the law ... the prophets;”​
Revelation 1:10 KJB - “I [the prophet & apostle John] was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day ...”​

The Apostle and prophet John receives a “vision” in connection with keeping God’s word, His commandments; resting specifically on “the LORD’s day” (Rev. 1:10 KJB):

Revelation 1:10 KJB - I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,​

The Law (Lord’s day) & the testimony (in the spirit; prophecy):

Look again at the parallels:

[A1] Rev. 1:2 KJB - “word” & “testimony”​
[B1] Rev. 1:9 KJB - “word” & “testimony”​
[C1] [Reverse] Rev. 1:10 KJB - “in the Spirit” & “the Lord’s day”​
[A2] Rev. 6:9 KJB - “word” & “testimony”​
[B2] Rev. 12:17 KJB - “commandments” & “testimony”​
[C2] [Reverse] Rev. 20:4 KJB - “witness” & “word”​
 

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It (“the Lord’s day; Rev. 1:10 KJB) always speaks of the 7th day the sabbath of the LORD, His holy day of His “word” or “commandments”, and the “Spirit” refers to the “testimony” or “witness”. The Bible does not merely use the phrase “the Lord’s day” just in Revelation 1:10 KJB, as so many incorrectly assume, but from the very beginning and throughout this phrase appears:

The LORD’s Day – The 7th Day The Sabbath
ISAIAH 58:13 Various Translations
Gen. 2:1-3,4 KJB - “... God [the LORD] ... day ...”CJB - “... Adonai’s holy day ...”
Exo. 16:23 KJB - “... the LORD ... day ...”ERV - “... the Lord’s special day ...”
Exo. 16:25,26 KJB - “... the LORD ... day ...”EXB - “... the Lord’s holy day ...”
Exo. 20:8-11 KJB - “... the LORD ... day ...”GW - “... the Lord’s holy day ...”
Exo. 31:15 KJB - “... the LORD ... day ...”ICB - “... the Lord’s holy day ...”
Exo. 35:2,3 KJB - “... the LORD ... day ...”ISV - “... the Lord’s holy day ...”
Lev. 23:3,38 KJB - “... the LORD ... day ...”TLB - “... the Lord’s holy day ...”
Num. 15:31,32 KJB - “... the LORD ... day ...”MSG - “... God’s holy day ...”
Deu. 5:12,14,15 KJB - “... the LORD ... day ...”NOG - “... Yahweh’s holy day ...”
Neh. 9:6,13,14 KJB - “... the LORD ... day ...”NABRE - “... the Lord’s holy day ...”
Isa. 56:6 KJB - “... the LORD ... [day] ...”NCV - “... the Lord’s holy day ...”
Isa. 58:13 KJB - “... [the LORD’s] ... day ...”NET - “... the Lord’s holy day ...”
Isa. 66:22,23 KJB - “... the LORD ... sabbath [day] ...”NIRV - “... the Lord’s holy day ...”
Jer. 17:21 KJB - “... the LORD ... day ...”NIV - “... the Lord’s holy day ...”
Eze. 46:1,4,12 KJB - “... the LORD ... day ...”NIVUK - “... the Lord’s holy day ...”
Mat. 12:8 KJB - “... the Lord ... day ...”NLT - “... the Lord’s holy day ...”
Mar. 2:28 KJB - “... the Lord ... day ...”TPT - “... Yahweh’s holy day ...”
Luk. 6:5 KJB - “... the Lord ... [day] ...”KJB - “... my [the LORD’s] holy day ...”
Rev. 1:10 KJB - “... the Lord’s day ...”Isa. 58:13 KJB - If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Revelation 1 has a unique parallelism within itself:

(1) Isa. 55:4 → Rev. 1:5 (Witness)​
(2) Dan. 7:13 → Rev. 1:7 (Coming with Angels)​
(3) Zec. 12:10-14 → Rev. 1:7 (Pierced & Wail)​
(4) Isa. 41:4,6 → Rev. 1:8 (I AM)​
(5) Isa. 58:13 → Rev. 1:10 (The Lord’s day)​
(4) Isa. 41:4,6 → Rev. 1:11 (I AM)​
(3) Zec. 4:2 → Rev. 1:12 (7 Gold Candlesticks)​
(2) Dan. 7:9,13,22 → Rev. 1:13-15 (Priest)​
(1) Isa. 49:2 → Rev. 1:16 (Sharp Sword)​

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my [the LORD's] holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy [day] of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

The phrase “the Lord’s day” (Rev. 1:10 KJB) cannot refer to the eschatological “Day of the LORD” (Isa. 2:12, 13:6,9, 34:8 KJB; Second coming):

[1] John was “in the Spirit on the Lord’s day”, which means it was the present time.​
[2] John is not merely shown the future (Rev. 1:7 KJB), but is also shown the past & present. While Rev. 1:7 KJB does reveal the future Advent of Jesus (Day of the LORD, the final 1,000 years of the Great Cosmic Week of God, whose beginning and ending are separated by Jesus’ 2nd and 3rd Advents; Rev. 20; Isa. 24, &c.), it wasn’t yet taking place the day John received the vision (the Lord’s day, the 7th day of the weekly cycle, the sabbath):​
Revelation 1:19 - Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;​
[A.] past – the things which thou hast seen​
[B.] present - the things which are​
[C.] future - the things which shall be hereafter​
[3] Jesus’ actual location in the vision is seen to be “in the midst of the seven candlesticks” (Rev. 1:13 KJB). This is the Holy Place of the Heavenly Sanctuary (Tabernacle) above (Psa. 77:13; Heb. 8:5; 9:23; Rev. 5:6, 11:19, 15:5 KJB), where Jesus still ministered at that present time (AD 90ish) since Pentecost (AD 31; Act. 2:1-3 KJB).​
[4] In Revelation 1, Jesus is not dressed as KING of Kings and LORD of Lords, as later (Rev. 19:11-16 KJB), but is dressed as the great High Priest (Rev. 1:13-15 KJB) and ministering among the 7-branch candlestick of Heaven, that more of mankind might be saved by the Everlasting Gospel (Rev. 14:6-12 KJB). When Jesus changes His garments and comes with the clouds (angels) of Heaven in the fullness of glory, the Gospel is no longer effective, and His ministration therein ceases (Rev. 8:5, 10:7 KJB).​
[5] Those who incorrectly assume the phrase “the Lord’s day” to mean “the first [day] of the week” in lieu of Jesus’ resurrection, cannot get a weekly recurrence out of a one-time event, in fulfilment of the yearly typological Firstfruit / Wavesheaf in Lev. 23:9-14 KJB, as made known in 1 Cor. 15:20,23 KJB. Not one Gospel or Epistle, or NT (or OT for that matter) writer, calls “the Lord’s day” the “first [day] of the week”.​
[6] The language itself, “τηG3588 T-DSF κυριακηG2960 A-DSF ημεραG2250 N-DSF”, as the word “κυριακη” (transliterated “kuriake”) is an Adjective - Dative - Singular - Feminine, (the day “for” the LORD) is sort of used as a ‘possessive’ (“of”, see 1 Cor. 11:20, “the Lord’s supper”), and not like the phrase “day of the Lord” (ἡμέρα κυρίου) which is in the genitive masculine (2 Pet. 3:10 KJB, &c; see also Origen’s Hexapla), which John calls the “great day of God Almighty” (Rev. 16:14 KJB).​
 

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[7] The two phrases, refer to differing days:​
[A.] Isaiah 58:13 KJB – “my [the Lord’s] holy day”, the 7th day of the week, the sabbath of the LORD. (Rev. 1:10 KJB, “the Lord’s day”)​
[B1.] Isaiah 2:12, 13:6,9, 34:8 KJB – “the Day of the LORD”, the final eschatological climaxing day (Rev. 16:14 KJB, “great day of God Almighty”):​
[B2.] “The Day of the LORD”:​
Deu. 31:17-18; 1 Sam. 3:12, 8:18; 1 Kin. 22:25, 22:35; 2 Chr. 18:24, 18:34; Job 3:3-4, 21:30; Psa. 110:5; Isa. 2:11-12,17,20, 3:7,18, 4:1-2, 5:30, 7:18,21,23, 10:20,27,32, 11:10-11,16, 12:1,4, 13:6,9,13, 17:4,7,9, 19:18-19,21, 23-24, 20:6, 22:12,20,25, 23:15, 24:21, 25:9, 26:1, 27:1-2,12-13, 28:5,19, 29:18, 30:23,25, 31:7, 34:8, 52:6, 58:5, 61:2, 63:4, 66:8; Jer. 1:10, 4:9, 25:33, 30:8, 31:6, 39:17, 46:10, 49:22,26; Lam. 1:12, 2:1,21-22; Eze. 7:7,12,19, 13:5, 22:24, 24:27, 27:27, 29:21, 30:3,9,18, 38:14,19, 39:11,22, 48:35; Hos. 1:5,11, 2:16,18,21, 5:9, 9:5; Joe. 1:15, 2:1-2,11, 2:31, 3:14,18; Amo. 1:14, 2:16, 3:14, 5:18,20, 8:3,9-10,13, 9:11; Oba. 1:8,15; Mic. 2:4, 3:6, 4:6, 5:10, 7:11-12; Nah. 3:17; Hab. 3:16; Zep. 1:7,8,9,10,14,15,16,18, 2:2-3, 3:8,11,16; Zec. 2:11, 3:9,10, 9:16, 11:11, 12:3,4,6,8,9,12, 13:1,2,4, 14:1,3, 14:4,6,7,8,9,13,20,21; Mal. 3:2,17, 4:1,3,5; Mat. 7:22, 10:15, 11:22,24, 12:36, 24:36,50, 25:13; Mar. 6:11,13:32; Luk. 6:23, 10:12, 17:24,30,31, 21:34; Jhn. 6:39,40,44,54, 8:56, 11:24, 14:20, 16:23,26; Rom. 2:5,16, 13:12; 1 Cor. 1:8, 3:13, 5:5; 2 Cor. 1:14; Php. 1:6,10, 2:16; 1 Thes. 5:2,4; 2 Thes. 1:10, 2:2,3; 2 Tim. 1:12,18, 4:8; Heb. 10:25; Jam. 5:5; 1 Pet. 2:12; 2 Pet. 2:9, 3:7,10,12; 1 Jhn. 4:17; Jud. 1:6; & Rev. 6:17, 16:14, 18:8 KJB.​

Others, under inspiration, write the “Day of the LORD” [B1,2.] like this:
“the day of their calamity”
Deuteronomy 32:35​
“the day of vengeance”
Isaiah 63:4​
“the day of vengeance”
Proverbs 6:34​
“the day of the LORD’s wrath”
Zephaniah 1:18​
“the day of the LORD’s anger”
Lamentations 2:22​
“Day of God”
2 Peter 3:12​
“day of the LORD’s vengeance”
Isaiah 34:8​
“the day of vengeance of our God”
Isaiah 61:2​
John, when referring to the “Day of the LORD”, or the second coming of Jesus, writes:

“great day of God Almighty”
Revelation 16:14

Even the Latin of Gen. 2:2 (Deus die septimo) & Exo. 20:11 (Dominus diei sabbati), being the 7th day sabbath of the LORD is different than Zep. 1:14 (dies Domini), the Day of the LORD.​

Honest Commentaries to note on Rev. 1:10 (from StudyLight.com)
Peter Pett's commentary makes this accurate note:

“... Sunday is not called ‘the Lord’s day’ (he kyriake hemera) anywhere in Scripture ...”​
Richard Chenevix Trench has stated on record, and accurately that:

“... Some have assumed, from this passage, that ἡμέρα κυριακή was a designation of Sunday already familiar among Christians. This, however, seems a mistake ...”​
Dr. Thomas Constable likewise states the same truth:

“... The New Testament writers never called Sunday the Lord’s day elsewhere in Scripture. ...”​
Likewise, Foy E Wallace states:

“... It (Rev. 1:10) is not a reference to the first day of the week ...”​

What about those writings of those whom some call the “ECF”? Recent scholarship shows some funny business:
Some people attempt to define “the Lord's day” (Rev. 1:10), not by scripture, as is proper, but instead by the comments of the “ECF”, rather than going back to the real “fathers”; the Patriarchs & Prophets of Scripture: like Abraham, Moses, David, John, James, Peter and Paul &c.​
Pliny the Younger (“stated day before sunrise”, refers to the sabbath day (Act. 13:14,27,42,44, 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4; Heb. 4:9; Rev. 1:10) in context (Mar. 1:35; 1 Pet. 2:21 KJB), inferred) - http://www.tyrannus.com/pliny_let.html
 

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Consider the so-called evidences for 'Sunday' that are commonly proffered in evidence:

Pliny the Younger, does not say ‘first day of the week’, neither ‘8th day’ as some wrongly assume. Instead, here is what Pliny the Younger, actually writes:

[English] “... They stated that the sum of their guilt or error amounted to this, that they used to gather on a stated day before dawn and sing to Christ as if he were a god, and that they took an oath not to involve themselves in villainy, but rather to commit no theft, no fraud, no adultery; not to break faith, nor to deny money placed with them in trust. Once these things were done, it was their custom to part and return later to eat a meal together, innocently, although they stopped this after my edict, in which I, following your mandate, forbade all secret societies. ...” - [Pliny The Younger; Epistulae, Volume X, Number 96 [English]] - http://www.tyrannus.com/pliny_let.html
[Latin] “... Adfirmabant autem hanc fuisse summam vel culpae suae vel erroris, quod essent soliti stato die ante lucem convenire carmenque Christo quasi deo dicere secum invicem seque sacramento non in scelus aliquod obstringere, sed ne furta, ne latrocinia, ne adulteria committerent, ne fidem fallerent, ne depositum appellati abnegarent; quibus peractis, morem sibi discedendi fuisse rursusque coeundi ad capiendum cibum, promiscuum tamen et innoxium; quod ipsum facere desisse post edictum meum, quo secundum mandata tua hetaerias esse vetueram. ...” [Pliny The Younger; Epistulae, Volume X, Number 96 [Latin]] - http://www.tyrannus.com/pliny_let.html

The “stated day”, that Pliny writes of, is not specifically given, nor specifically enumerated, and definitely doesn’t say ‘first day of the week’, or ‘8th day’ in English or Latin. Considering the actual recorded historical material, in the book of Acts, the disciples would gather on sabbath (Act. 13:14,27,42,44, 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4 KJB), hundreds of times.

Luke specifically records the word “sabbath” (the 7th day) 27 times (actually 29 times, with the koine Greek of Luk. 24:1; Act. 20:7 considered);
Luk. 4:16,31, 6:1,2,5,6,7,9, 13:10,14(x2),15,16, 14:1,3,5, 23:54,56;​
Act. 1:12, 13:14,27,42,44, 15:21, 16:31,​
Act. 17:2 KJB, (3 consecutive sabbaths)​
Act. 18:4 KJB (“every sabbath”; also vs. 11, a “year and six months”, which is 52 weeks + 26 weeks, being 78 consecutive sabbaths met together on by both Jew and Gentile with the Apostle Paul and others, and in​
Act. 18:23 KJB, “he had spent some time there” (several sabbaths); in​
Act. 19:8 KJB, “for the space of three months” (12 sabbaths); in​
Act. 19:10 KJB, “continued by the space of two years” (104 sabbaths), in​
Act.19:22 KJB, “for a season” (several sabbaths), in​
Act. 20:3 KJB, “three months” (12 sabbaths), and in​
Act. 20:18,31, “all seasons,” “a space of three years” (156 sabbaths)).​
Heb. 4:9, & Rev. 1:10 KJB state the same.

The day begins with the “evening” in scripture:

[A.] Genesis 1:5 KJB -And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.​
[B.] Leviticus 23:32 KJB - It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.​
[C.] Mark 1:32 KJB - And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils.​
[D.] Psalms 104:19 KJB - He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.​
Psalms 104:20 KJB - Thou makest darkness, and it is night: wherein all the beasts of the forest do creep forth.​
Psalms 104:21 KJB - The young lions roar after their prey, and seek their meat from God.​
Psalms 104:22 KJB - The sun ariseth, they gather themselves together, and lay them down in their dens.​
Psalms 104:23 KJB - Man goeth forth unto his work and to his labour until the evening.​
Psalms 104:24 KJB - O LORD, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.​
Thus the disciples would eat, pray, and follow that by sleeping through the night, and awake before sunrise, as Jesus would (Jos. 3:1 (type); Mar. 1:35 KJB), gather just before sunrise on Sabbath “morning” to worship their LORD, as He did (His Father), as given in “example” (1 Pet. 2:21 KJB).

Joshua 3:1 KJB - And Joshua rose early in the morning; and they removed from Shittim, and came to Jordan, he and all the children of Israel, and lodged there before they passed over.​
Mark 1:35 KJB -And in the morning, rising up a great while before day, he [Jesus] went out, and departed into a solitary place, and there prayed.​
1 Peter 2:21 KJB - For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:​

There is no just before sunrise weekly meeting of disciples in the NT on the first day of the week.

Even in Acts 20, Paul was up all night long, after sabbath was over, even until “midnight” (Act. 20:7 KJB) with a specific church of Christians in Troas, to ‘confirm’ the church (as in Act. 15:41 KJB) as he had for the others as he travelled towards Rome. After the special event with Eutychus, Paul continued his farewell with them until sunrise (“break of day”) and left, for a 19 mile or so trip by foot to Assos, so that he could be back towards Jerusalem for another Pentecost (Act. 20:16). There is no repeat of this one-time farewell event. It was not a weekly event, and there is no indication in English or koine Greek that it was so. The only weekly event in Acts 20, is the sabbath (vs. 7), which occurs every seventh day (των σαββατων; "twn sabbatwn", "the sabbaths", those 7 sabbaths counted unto Pentecost), which is why Paul waited “seven days” (Act. 20:6 KJB) so he could keep sabbath with them, and would leave the following morning.

Thus, Pliny’s “stated day before sunrise”, historically considered and compared, is the Sabbath, the seventh day of the week (the pattern of Genesis to Revelation, and especially Acts), not the first day of the week (as there is no weekly pattern of followers of God meeting weekly on this first day of the week).
 

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What about Ignatius?

Ignatius (supposedly), in The Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians, the shorter & longer forms:

“... [Greek] [Cap. ix (9); shorter] IX 1. Εἰ οὖν οἱ ἐν παλαιοῖς πράγμασιν ἀναστρα. φέντες εἰς καινότητα ἐλπίδος ἦλθον, μηκέτι σαββατίζοντες, ἀλλὰ κατὰ κυριακὴν ζῶντες, ἐν ᾗ καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἡμῶν ἀνέτειλεν δι’ αὐτοῦ καὶ τοῦ θανάτου αὐτοῦ, ὅν τινες ἀρνοῦνται, δι’ οὗ μυστηρίου ἐλάβομεν τὸ πιστεύειν, καὶ διὰ τοῦτο ὑπομένομεν, ἵνα εὑρεθῶμεν μαθηταὶ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῦ μόνου διδασκάλου ἡμῶν· ...” - Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Magnesians: Shorter and Longer Versions
“... [English] [Cap. ix (9); shorter] If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things680 have come to the possession of a new681 hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance682 of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death—whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith,683 and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master ...” - Philip Schaff: ANF01. The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

Right away, there is a massive discrepancy between the original Greek and the [obviously heavily a priori “Roman Catholic”] translation into English of Chapter 9’s shorter edition. The original Greek of the shorter version of the ‘Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians’ says, “μηκέτι σαββατίζοντες, ἀλλὰ κατὰ κυριακὴν ζῶντες”. This does not translate into English as, “no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance682 of the Lord’s Day” by any means, but instead actually translates into, “no longer sabbath-keepers, but according to [the] Lord’s living”. The words for “observe” (φυλαξης, phylaxis) and “day” (ημερα, hemera) are not present in the Greek shorter text, and to add such (even without italics or brackets to indicate their addition no less!) is extremely unwarranted and unjustified, and in truth is a very gross distortion and fabrication according to someone’s biased interpolation and eisegesis into an already problematic, doubted and notedly spurious text. The understanding of the Greek could be found in several meanings in English.

One of those ways could be that the author intended to say that because of Jesus’ way of living (not honouring rabbinical unscriptural traditions, and such burdens added to the Sabbath, see Jhn. 5:18 GNT TR, loosing the sabbath of God from Pharisaical non-scriptural burdens, and vain traditions), or even by the resurrection (living) of the Lord (Jesus), a new way of life is present for believers, and the old way of living (which they say is sabbath-keeping by Rabbinical Jewish traditions, see Chapter 8) is vanished away.

Such an understanding could align with the Old & New Testament texts (Isa. 8:20; Heb. 4:9; 1 Pet. 4:11; Rev. 1:10 (Isa. 58:13) KJB), or the prophecies (Isa. 42:21, 56:1-8, 66:22-23 KJB) therein if it was what the author actually meant and not be contradictory to the scripture, or even the longer form of the ‘epistle’.

However, if the author meant for Christians to give up sabbath-keeping entirely, that would not align with those same texts and reasons. Yet, in either case, the so-called “Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians” has further irreconcilable problems, as the shorter and longer editions differ tremendously, and are even contradictory to each other in Chapter 9. The Longer edition does not say, “no longer sabbath-keepers”, but instead says, “But let every one of you keep the Sabbath after a spiritual manner, rejoicing in meditation on the law ... And after the observance of the Sabbath ...”

“... [Greek; page 43] [Cap. ix (9); longer] Aὐτὸς ἥξει καὶ σώσει ἡμᾶς; μηκέτι οὖν σαββατίζωμεν ἰουδαϊκῶς καὶ ἀργίαις χαίροντες· Ὁ μὴ ἐργαζόμενος γὰρ μὴ ἐσθιέτω· καὶ πάλιν· Ἐν ἱδρῶτι γὰρ τοῦ προσώπου σου φάγῃ τὸν ἄρτον σου, φασὶ τὰ λόγια. ἀλλ' ἕκαστος ὑμῶν σαββατιζέτω πνευματικῶς, μελέτῃ νόμων χαίρων, οὐ σώματος ἀνέσει, δημιουργίαν θεοῦ θαυμάζων, οὐχ ἕωλα ἐσθίων καὶ χλιαρὰ πίνων καὶ μεμετρημένα βαδίζων καὶ ὀρχήσει καὶ κρότοις νοῦν οὐκ ἔχουσι χαίρων· καὶ μετὰ τὸ σαββατίσαι ἑορταζέτω πᾶς φιλόχριστος τὴν κυριακήν, τὴν ἀναστάσιμον, τὴν βασιλίδα, τὴν ὕπατον πασῶν τῶν ἡμερῶν, ἣν περιμένων ὁ προφήτης ἔλεγεν· Eἰς τὸ τέλος, ὑπὲρ τῆς ὀγδόης·ἐν ᾗ καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἡμῶν ἀνέτειλεν, καὶ τοῦ θανάτου γέγονε νίκη ἐν Χριστῷ· ὃν τὰ τέκνα τῆς ἀπωλείας ἀρνοῦνται ...” - https://khazarzar.skeptik.net/pgm/P...PG 05/extras/PG_05-Ignatios_Antioch_epist.doc
“... [English] [Cap. ix (9); longer] “He will come and save us.” Let us therefore no longer keep the Sabbath after the Jewish manner, and rejoice in days of idleness; for “he that does not work, let him not eat.”688 For say the [holy] oracles, “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat thy bread.” 689But let every one of you keep the Sabbath after a spiritual manner, rejoicing in meditation on the law, not in relaxation of the body, admiring the workmanship of God, and not eating things prepared the day before, nor using lukewarm drinks, and walking within a prescribed space, nor finding delight in dancing and plaudits which have no sense in them.690 And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord’s Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days [of the week]. Looking forward to this, the prophet declared, “To the end, for the eighth day,”691 on which our life both sprang up again, and the victory over death was obtained in Christ, whom the children of perdition, the enemies of the Saviour, deny ...” - Philip Schaff: ANF01. The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

Some have attempted to point to these supposed words of Ignatius to claim that Christians no longer kept the Sabbath, the 7th day, but that in those words, in chapter 9 in the longer form, it clearly states, “let every one of you keep the Sabbath after a spiritual manner, rejoicing in meditation on the law”. This proves the very opposite of what is claimed and that keeping the Sabbath spiritually in Christ Jesus is not Judaizing!

Moreover, the English rendition of the Greek longer text of the epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians is not a direct translation thereof, but again is an interpolation. The English source deliberately does not correctly translate the words, but instead feeds private personal meaning into them. For instance, “καὶ μετὰ τὸ σαββατίσαι ἑορταζέτω πᾶς φιλόχριστος τὴν κυριακήν, τὴν ἀναστάσιμον, τὴν βασιλίδα, τὴν ὕπατον πασῶν τῶν ἡμερῶν”, does not translate to, “And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord’s Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days [of the week]”, for the words for “keep”, “Day as a festival”, “-day”, “[of the week]” are not present in the text. The text actually translates to, “And after keeping sabbath, all lovers of Christ celebrate the Lord’s [feast], the resurrection, the queen, the highest of all the days.” The word “ἑορταζέτω” really means “celebrating with a feast of eating or festival (as is done on holy feasts, a single day in the year or sometimes multiple days in a year)”. The words “τὴν κυριακήν”, really means “the Lord’s”. The day of the resurrection of Jesus was only a single day in the year, not a weekly event. Therefore, the text could mean several things.

The text could be saying that after keeping the sabbath, that Christians were to gather afterwards and hold a feast (or possibly even “Lord’s” “feast” [supper]) celebrating the resurrection of Jesus, and that this particular feast time is the second highest of all the New Testament feast days, coming after the King of all the days, the Lord’s day or Sabbath of the LORD. The phrase “[of the week]” is not present, being an interpolation. While the text does not exclude a weekly festival, it does not directly state such either. It could as easily be referring to the ending of the Passion week alone, and merely celebrating the resurrection of Christ in that one time, after the sabbath of that week in that year was over, or what some might designate “Resurrection Sunday” or even “Easter” (in Catholic terminology). What is even more interesting, is that the shorter version says, “κυριακὴν ζῶντες”, or “Lord’s living”, or as some say, “Lord’s way of living” and may not be necessarily referring to a specific day at all, but rather to the manner of being alive, or the life that Jesus lived, whether on sabbath or any other day in the week, month, or year. In any case, noted scholars recognize the contradictory nature of the varied ‘epistles’, & of their vague & dubious terminology.
 

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What do scholars say about "Ignatius"?

The Cyclopaedia of Biblical Literature., edited by John Kitto, D.D., F.S.A.; Author of “The History and Physical Geography of Palestine,” editor of “The Pictorial Bible,” &c. &c. Illustrated by Numerous Maps and Engravings, in Two Volumes. Vol. II., Tenth Edition. New York: Ivison & Phinney, 178 Fulton Street ... 1854, page 270, Left & Right Column

“... [Page 270; Left Column] Now many commentators assume (on what ground does not appear), that after κυριακήν the word ἡμέραν is to be understood. ...​
... Let us now look at the passage simply as it stands. The defect of the sentence is the want of [Left to Right Column] a substantive to which αύτού can refer. This defect, so far from being remedied, is rendered still more glaring by the introduction of ἡμέρα. ...​
... On this view the passage does not refer at all to the Lord’s day; but even on the opposite supposition it cannot be regarded as affording any positive evidence to the early use of the term ‘Lord’s day’ (for which it is often cited), since the material word ἡμέρα is purely conjectural. ...” - The Cyclopædia of Biblical Literature

The epistles of Ignatius are spurious or forgeries - Epic Experiences, Opportunities, Connections, and Futures

Ante-Nicene Christian Library: Translations of the Writings of the Fathers Down to A.D. 325. Edited by the Rev. Alexander Roberts, D.D., and James Donaldson, LL.D., Vol. I. The Apostolic Fathers. Ediburgh: T. and T. Clark, 38, George Street. MDCCCLXVII (1867). The Epistles of Ignatius (Shorter and Longer) Introductory Notice; pages 139-140

“... [page 139] It is now the universal opinion of critics, that the first eight of these professedly Ignatian letters are spurious. They bear in themselves indubitable proofs of being the production of a later age than that in which Ignatius lived. Neither [page 139-140] Eusebius nor Jerome makes the least reference to them; and they are now by common consent set aside as forgeries, which were at various dates, and to serve special purposes, put forth under the name of the celebrated Bishop of Antioch.” - Ante-Nicene Christian Library: The Apostolic fathers (1870)

History of the Christian Church by Philip Schaff Vol. II. Ante-Nicene Christianity. A.D. 100-325. Ninth Edition. New York, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1910, page 145

“... [page 145] The whole story of Ignatius is more legendary than real, and his writings are subject to grave suspicion of fraudulent interpolation. We have three different versions of the Ignatian Epistles, but only one of them can be genuine; either the smaller Greek version, or the lately discovered Syriac.1 In the latter, which contains only three epistles, most of the passages on the episcopate are wanting, indeed; yet the leading features of the institution appear even here" - History of the Christian Church

A Manual of Church History by Albert Henry Newman, D.D., LL.D. Professor of Church History in Baylor University, Department Editor of Church History for New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia, Author of “A history of the Baptist Churches in the United States”, “A History of Anti-Pedobaptism,”, etc. Volume I Ancient and Mediaeval Church History (To A.D. 1517) Fourth Thousand, Philadelphia American Baptist Publication Society, 1906., pages 222,223,227

“... [page 222] We have three distinct forms of the Ignatian Epistles, differing greatly as to number, length, and substance. (a) The longer Greek form is now universally regarded as a gross fabrication, and is supposed to have been composed in the fourth, fifth, or sixth cen-tury. It is full of anachronisms ...” - A Manual of Church History: Ancient and medi val church history (to A. D. 1517)
“... [page 223] the shorter Greek form ... Some accept these writings as in the main genuine, but suppose them to have been interpolated to a very considerable extant. ...” - A Manual of Church History: Ancient and medi val church history (to A. D. 1517)
“... [page 227] the epistles have been interpolated beyond almost any other document of history. ...” - A Manual of Church History: Ancient and medi val church history (to A. D. 1517)

The Apostolic Fathers with an English translation by Kirsopp Lake, in Two Volumes, I; I Clement, II Clement, Ignatius, Polycarp, Didache, Barnabas; London : William Heinemann, New York : The Macmillan Co. MCMXII, page 168

“... [page 168] 2. The short recension. – It was early seen that the long recension contained several letters which were clearly not genuine, and that those which had the most claim to acceptance, as having been mentioned by Eusebius, were greatly corrupted by obvious interpolations. ...​
... The text of this recension is nowhere extant in a pure form. ...” - The Apostolic Fathers

The Contemporary Review, Volume XXV. (25) December, 1874 – May, 1875, Strahan 7 Co., Publishers, Paternoster Row, London, 1875; pages 339-340

“... [page 339] The Ignatian question is the most perplexing which confronts the student of early Church History. ...​
... The author of Supernatural Religion has no hesitation on the subject. “The whole of the Ignatian literature,” he writes, “is a [page 339-340] mass of falsification and fraud.”* “It is not possible,” he says, “even if the Epistle [to the Smyrnaeans] were genuine, which it is not, to base any such conclusion upon these words.” †​
And again:-​
“We must, however, go much further, and assert that none of the Epistles have any value as evidence for an earlier period than the end of the second, or beginning of the third, century, even if they have any value at all.” ‡​
An immediately afterwards: -​
“We have just seen that the martyr-journey of Ignatius to Rome is, for cogent reasons, declared to be wholly fabulous, and the Epistles purporting to be written during that journey must be held to be spurious.” § ... * P. 269. † P. 270 ‡ P. 274. § P. 274 ...” - The Contemporary Review
 

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What about Justin Martyr?

Documents of the Christian Church, Fourth Edition, Edited by Henry Bettenson & Chris Maunder; Oxford University Press; 20111; section IV. Christian Worship in the second century, Justin (c.150), Apology, I. lxv-lxvii; chapter lxvii (67)., page 71

“... [page 71] lxvii ... And on the day which is called the day of the sun there is an assembly of all who live in the towns or in the country; and the memoirs of the Apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits. ...” - Documents of the Christian Church

However, chapter lxvii (67) is the forged portion and it is:

“... known only from the unreliable manuscript A (Parisinus graecus 450, of 1364 [that’s 14th Cent.])” [brackets added] -​
http://heidiheiks.com/pdf/Contributors Documents/William Shea/Justin_Martyr_forgery.pdf​
 

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What about ‘the Didache’ [the Teacher / Teaching]?

“... [Greek] (14) 1. Κατὰ κυριακὴν δὲ κυρίου συναχθέντες κλάσατε ἄρτον καὶ εὐχαριστήσατε, προεξομολογησάμενοι τὰ παραπτώματα ὑμῶν, ὅπως καθαρὰ ἡ θυσία ὑμῶν ᾐ. ...” - The Twelve Apostles-Didache
“... [English] (14) 1. According to Lord’s own of [the] Lord, gather, break bread and give thanks, having confessed your faults before, that your offering be pure. ...”​

The original Greek of Didache 14:1 does not have the words for “day”, “days”, “Sunday”, “day of the sun”, “first”, “one”, “week”, “first [day] of the week”, “the Lord’s day”, the “eighth day”. The often proffered translation of the Didache into English that most propose to prove ‘Sunday sacredness’, or that ‘the first [day] of the week’, is the ‘Lord’s day’, is quite imaginary, or at the very least extremely interpolative.

Even if the meaning is “the Lord’s [day] of Lord” it does not indicate which “[day]” is meant. It might mean the “Resurrection [day] (ie. what some call ‘Resurrection Sunday’, or ‘Easter’)”, being one day in the year during the ending of the Passion week. It might mean a weekly “[day]”, which just as well could be the 7th day, the Sabbath day, or the true Lord’s day (Isa. 58:13; Rev. 1:10 KJB). It might even mean the “Lord’s [feast-supper] of [the] Lord”, in which persons could gather on any day and partake of throughout the year, not merely weekly. It could mean a weekly meeting on the first [day], but there is no definitive contextual demonstration of such. Anyone who says otherwise, is simply not being honest with the Greek text at hand.

What it means, just on the surface in Greek and translation is that "According to the Lord's own of the Lord ..." would be speaking about according to the Apostles / Disciples (The Lord's own of the Lord; ie those given into the hands of Jesus by the Father; Jhn. 17:12) such and such should occur, such as "gather, break bread and give thanks ...", &c. It would be like referring to the book of Acts, or the Epistles of Paul, which gave example:

Act_2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.​
Act_2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,​

The "Didache" is not here referring to a day, but to persons under Christ's (Jesus') authority, since that is what the contextual words also point to.
 

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What about Pseudo Barnabas?

[Greek; Chapter 15] XV 1. Ἔτι οὖν καὶ περὶ τοῦ σαββάτου γέγραπται ἐν τοῖς δέκα λόγοις, ἐν οἷς ἐλάλησεν ἐν τῷ ὄρει Σινᾶ πρὸς Μωϋσῆν κατὰ πρόσωπον· Καὶ ἁγιασατε τὸ σάββατον κυρίου χερσὶν καθαραῖς καὶ καρδίᾳ καθαρᾷ. 2. καὶ ἐν ἑτέρῳ λέγει· Ἐὰν φυλάξωσιν οἱ υἱοί μου τὸ σάββατον, τότε ἐπιθήσω τὸ ἔλεός μου ἐπ’ αὐτούς. 3. τὸ σάββατον λέγει ἐν ἀρχῇ τῆς κτίσεως· Καὶ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς ἐν ἓξ ἡμέραις τὰ ἔργα τῶν χειρῶν αὐτοῦ, καὶ συνετέλεσεν ἐν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ τῇ ἑβδόμῃ καὶ κατέπαυσεν ἐν αὐτῇ καὶ ἡγίασεν αὐτήν. 4. προσέχετε, τέκνα, τί λέγει τὸ συνετέλεσεν ἐν ἓξ ἡμέραις. τοῦτο λέγει, ὅτι ἐν ἑξακισχιλίοις ἔτεσιν συντελέσει κύριος τὰ σύμπαντα· ἡ γὰρ ἡμέρα παρ’ αὐτῷ σημαίνει χίλια ἔτη. αὐτὸς δέ μοι μαρτυρεῖ λέγων· Ἰδού, ἡμέρα κυρίου ἔσται ὡς χίλια ἔτη. οὐκοῦν, τέκνα, ἐν ἓξ ἡμέραις, ἐν τοῖς ἑξακισχιλίοις ἔτεσιν συντελεσθήσεται τὰ σύμπαντα. 5. Καὶ κατέπαυσεν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ τῇ ἑβδόμῃ. τοῦτο λέγει· ὅταν ἐλτὼν ὁ υἱὸς αὐτοῦ καταργήσει τὸν καιρὸν τοῦ ἀνόμου καὶ κρινεῖ τοὺς ἀσεβεῖς καὶ ἀλλάξει τὸν ἥλιον καὶ τὴν σελήνην καὶ τοὺς ἀστέρας, τότε καλῶς καταπαύσεται ἐν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ τῇ ἑβδόμῃ. 6. πέρας γέ τοι λέγει· Ἁγιάσεις αὐτὴν χερσὶν καθαραῖς καὶ καρδίᾳ καθαρᾷ. εἰ οὖν ἣν ὁ θεὸς ἡμέραν ἡγίασεν νῦν τις δύναται ἁγιάσαι καθαρὸς ὢν τῇ καρδίᾳ, ἐν πᾶσιν πεπλανήμεθα. 7. ἴδε ὅτι ἄρα τότε καλῶς καταπαυόμενοι ἁγιάσομεν αὐτήν, ὅτε δυνησόμεθα αὐτοὶ δικαιωθέντες καὶ ἀπολαβόντες τὴν ἐπαγγελίαν, μηκέτι οὔσης τῆς ἀνομίας, καινῶν δὲ γεγονότων πάντων ὑπὸ κυρίου· τότε δυνησόμεθα αὐτὴν ἁγιάσαι, αὐτοὶ ἁγιασθέντες πρῶτον. 8. πέρας γέ τοι λέγει αὐτοῖς· Τὰς νεομηνίας ὑμῶν καὶ τὰ σάββατα οὐκ ἀνέχομαι. ὁρᾶτε, πῶς λέγει; οὐ τὰ σάββατα ἐμοὶ δεκτά, ἀλλἃ ὃ πεποίηκα, ἐν ᾧ καταπαύσας τὰ πάντα ἀρχὴν ἡμέρας ὀγδόης ποιήσω, ὅ ἐστιν ἄλλου κόσμου ἀρχήν. 9. διὸ καὶ ἄγομεν τὴν ἡμέραν τὴν ὀγόην εἰς εὐφροσύνην, ἐν ᾗ καὶ ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἀνέστη ἐκ νεκρῶν καὶ φανερωθεὶς ἀνέβη εἰς οὐρανοίς.” - Barnabas, The Epistle of Barnabas
[English by Charles Hoole; Chapter 15] 15:1 |And, moreover, concerning the sabbath it is written in the ten commandments, in which he spake on Mount Sinai unto Moses face to face: Sanctify ye the sabbath of the Lord with pure hands and a pure heart. 15:2 And in another place he saith, If my sons shall keep my sabbath, then will I place my mercy upon them. 15:3 He speaketh, too, of the sabbath in the beginning of the creation: And God made in six days the works of his hands, and finished them on the seventh day, and rested in it and sanctified it. 15:4 Consider, my children, what signify the words, He finished them in six days. They mean this: that in six thousand years the Lord will make an end of all things, for a day is with him as a thousand years. And he himself beareth witness unto me, saying: Behold this day a day shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, my children, in six days, that is in six thousand years, shall all things be brought to an end. 15:5 And the words, He rested on the seventh day, signify this: After that his Son hath come, and hath caused to cease the time of the wicked one, and hath judged the ungodly, and changed the sun and the moon and the stars, then shall he rest well on the seventh day. 15:6 And further he saith, Thou shalt sanctify it with pure hands and a pure heart. Who, therefore, can sanctify the day which the Lord hath sanctified, unless he be pure of heart? in all things have we been deceived. 15:7 Behold, that then indeed we shall be able to rest well and sanctify; even when we ourselves, having been justified, and having received the promise, when iniquity exists no longer, but all things have been made new by the Lord, we shall then be able to sanctify it, having been first sanctified ourselves. 15:8 And, further, he saith unto them, Your new moons and your sabbaths I cannot endure. See, now, what he meaneth. The sabbaths, that now are, are not acceptable unto me, but that which I have made is, even that in which, after that I have brought all things to an end, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, which thing is the beginning of another world. 15:9 Wherefore we keep the eighth day as a day of gladness, on which also Jesus rose from the dead, and after he had appeared ascended unto heaven.” - The Epistle of Barnabas (translation Charles H. Hoole)

First of all, the text of pseudo-Barnabas is a known pseudepigrapha, which means it was written by another person, or persons, whose name does not appear on the document. In other words, the “Barnabas” (Act. 4:36 KJB) of scripture did not author the text, but someone else did and claimed it was from such. Paul stated that false epistles were circulating in his own day:

2 Thessalonians 2:2 KJB - That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.​

According to pseudo-Barnabas, persons (Christians) are too impure (in sins, iniquity or wicked) at present to keep the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD holy, which requires purity of hands (actions) and heart (mind). The Sabbath, according to the author/s of the text, can only be kept holy and pure when Christians are sanctified when Christ returns, and so keep it in the New Heavens and New Earth which comes after. The question must be asked, if Christians are too impure (according to the thinking in the text) to keep the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD holy, then how could the same keep the first [day] of the week, or ‘Sunday’ sacred, or holy? The author/s of the text even misidentify the “sabbaths” being referred to in Hos. 2:11 KJB, for those “sabbaths” are contextually referring to the yearly festival sabbaths which were based in the “new moons”, and not the sabbath of the LORD based in God’s rest at Creation, and having nothing to do with “years” or “moons”. Finally, most persons who cite pseudo-Barnabas do not even accept the 7,000 year plan of God in scripture (Psa. 84:10, 90:4; Isa. 24:22; 2 Pet. 3:8; Rev. 16:14, 20:1-7 KJB), but instead accept evolutionary uniformitarian great ages, or epochs, or millions and billions of years for the age of the earth. See Pictures & Documents with citations - https://archive.org/details/the-red...-7000-years-and-the-everlasting-gospel_202301 & https://archive.org/details/age-of-the-earth_202301/mode/1up
 

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What about Clement of Alexandria?

"CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA AND THE LORD’S DAY​
AECIO E. CAIRUS Adventist International Institute of Advanced Studies Silang, Cavite, Philippines​
Clement of Alexandria (c. 150-215 A.D.)' has been credited with being “the first Church Father whose extant writings use the term ‘Lord’s day’ to apply to the weekly Christian Sunday.”* Indeed, several authors have connected a particular passage in the writings of Clement with such a weekly celebration.’ However, Clement’s words do not seem to bear out such a connection. The passage at issue occurs in Stromata V. 14, in a section entitled “Greek plagiarism from the Hebrews,”* which endeavors to demonstrate parallels between the Greek poets and philosophers, on one hand, and the Scriptures, on the other. The passage states:​
And the Lord’s day Plato prophetically speaks of in the tenth book of the Republic in these words: “And when seven days have passed to each of them in the meadow, on the eighth they are to set out and arrive in four days.” By the meadow is to be understood the fixed sphere, as being a mild and genial spot, and the locality of the pious; and by the seven days each motion of the seven planets and the whole practical art which speeds to the end of rest. But after the wandering orbs the journey leads to heaven, that is, to the eighth motion and day. And he says that souls are gone on the fourth day, pointing out the passage through the four elements. But the seventh day is recognized as sacred, not by the Hebrews only, but also by the Greeks. . . * The elegies of Solon, too, intensely deify the seventh day.​
Clement applies this quotation from the Republic to the experience of preexisting souls, who have to incarnate or “pass through the four elements.” According to this concept, shared by his disciple Origen,° human souls have been created in a distant past and come to this world by​
'Floruit, ca. 190-202 A.D.​
°K. S. Strand, Sabbath in Scripture and History (Washington, DC: Review and Herald, 1982), 346.​
>A footnote of the English editor of Clement assures the reader about the “bearing” of the passage on the issue of Sabbath and Sunday.​
‘ANF 2:469. *Several examples are given by Clement in quotation.​
‘Expounded in On First Principles.​
incarnation, here conceived as a descent from a place above the planets. On the same page of Stromata, we read that “the path for souls to ascension lies through the twelve signs of the zodiac, and [Plato] himself says that the descending pathway to birth is the same” (emphasis added).​
In the Republic passage, Plato (428-348 B.C.) places in Socrates’ mouth a verbatim report of the words of Er,’ a Pamphylian hero who, after dying in appearance, revived while awaiting cremation. Er is here telling the experiences of disembodied souls, which he learned as he traveled to the place where souls enter and exit this world. As usual in antiquity, “heavens” are conceived in this tale as a series of eight concentric, transparent, hollow bodies, the outermost of which carries the fixed stars, while the other seven turn at different speeds bearing the “planets” (i.e., the nonfixed “stars,” including the sun and the moon).​
What is peculiar in the tale of Er/Socrates/Plato is its description of the whole set of concentric star-carriers as one integrated whorl (i.e., flywheel of a spinning spindle operated by one of the goddesses of Fate). This mechanism is the “practical art” mentioned by Clement. The idea that the thread of our lives is spun by the goddesses of Fate is an extremely ancient Greco-Roman myth,’ here given an astrological twist (no pun intended) by Plato.’ Er states repeatedly that the time the souls have to await before incarnating is measured in periods of one thousand years.” Since a common spindle is set in movement against the torsion of the thread, “the whole practical art” periodically comes “to the end of rest.” In the same way, says Clement, the celestial spindle comes to rest periodically—every one thousand years, one might infer.​
As Clement understands the tale, after “seven days” in a “meadow” (a pleasant place in the “fixed sphere” of stars girded by the zodiac), souls have to pass “through the four elements” of physical matter. This transformation of the “four days” of Plato into “the four elements” of physical matter certainly looks like a highly allegorical way to read a text," but Clement is not so cavalier as the English translation makes him appear. Plato did not actually​
7Clement here identifies this Er (“Eros”) with Zoroaster.​
The Moirai (Lat. Parca) were Clotho (Nona), the Spinner of the thread of life; Lachesis (Decuma), the Allotter, who dispensed lengths of the thread; and Atropos (Morta) the Inflexible, who cut the thread and so determined death. The myth is attested in a simple form in Homer, acquiring its classical form in the times of Hesiod (eighth century B.C.).​
The concept of the visible heavens as part of the spinning mechanism of the Fates tends to give credibility to the astrologers’ claims to read human destinies in the stars.​
These the gods reckon as ten life-spans of one century each. Plato, Republic 10. 615. "Strand, 346. ..."​
 

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"... write “in four days,” but rather used the term tetartaious” (“in the fourth,” which can also be rendered as “fourthly”),” an ambiguity of which Clement avails himself and thus gives the term the import “by means of the four [elements].” This passing through matter (i.e., the birth into this world) is necessary for souls to reach the highest “heaven, that is, the eighth motion and day.” In order to incarnate, they must leave their pleasant abode next to the fixed stars and descend beyond “the wandering orbs” of the planets” until they reach the earth.​
Thus, the “seven days” of this tale, as understood by Clement, can hardly be weekdays, since they refer to the heavenly existence of souls in need of incarnation. Clement states that the days represent “each motion of the seven planets and the whole practical art.” Thus he means astrological ages, which correspond to the millennial periods referred to by Plato. These seven “days,” then, may be compared to the seven millennia of Barn. 15:8 that precede “the eighth day, that is, the beginning of another world,” or Augustine’s concept of seven ages of this world that come before an eighth age called “the Lord’s day”” of perfect rest.​
The “Lord’s day” that Clement sees in Plato’s “prophecy” has the same import as the “Lord’s day” in Augustine. It refers to a time, after the successive ages of history, when human existence will acquire a heavenly quality. Indeed, it is difficult to find a clear link between either the “seven days” or the “Lord’s day” of Clement’s passage and any day of the regular week. He explicitly applies both expressions to the experience of souls in heaven (not to our ordinary life in this world). Thus, the “seven days” refer to a long preincarnation period and the “eighth day” to eternal time, not to the first day of the week.​
It is true that the eternal time, referred to here as “the Lord’s day,” comes after seven historical ages, just as later ecclesiastical writers argued that Sunday follows the seventh day (though by all reasonable counts it precedes the latter by six days) as an “eighth day,” even if there is no such eight-day cycle. But concluding that this parallel implies Sunday begs the question, because the reverse could also be true. Later writers, bent on raising the importance of Sunday, could have used a preexisting “Lord’s day” phrase that referred to postmillennial time as a catchword in order to represent Sunday as a kind of “Lord’s day” by means of the dubious argument that it follows the seventh​
Republic, 10. 616. Taking it as an accusative of manner. “The Greek planetes means “wandering.”​
The seven ages are respectively initiated by Adam, the Flood, Abraham, David, the Deportation, the Incarnation, and the Second Coming; see Augustine’s The City of God 22.30 in fine.​
day just as eternity begins after the “seven millennia.” Whatever the case may be, this passage from Clement cannot serve as a first attestation for equation of the “Lord’s Day” with “Sunday.”​
At the end of the passage, Clement goes on to sundry parallels in the Greek literature for the “sacred” seventh day, here meaning the seventh day of the week. But it is not clear what kind of association, if any, Clement established between the earlier part of the paragraph and its end. Stromata (Miscellanies), as the very title implies, is quite disjointed. He could have associated the biblical week, which is determined by the Sabbath, with the seven millennial periods above, or he could just be passing on to another topic. In any case, this implies nothing about Sunday.​
Therefore, there is need for additional research about the first extant occurrences of expressions like “eighth day” and “day of the Lord” in the Patristic literature. We must carefully guard against reading into these authors later meanings for the terms they use.” The question of who first gave “the Lord’s day” the meaning “Sunday” remains open.​
See my article “Sabbath and Covenant in the Epistle of Barnabas,” AUSS 39 (2000): 117-123." - Andrews University Seminary Studies, Vol. 40, No. 2, 273-276. Copyright © 2002 Andrews University Press. - https://archive.org/details/clement-of-alexandria-not-the-first-day-of-the-week/mode/1up
 

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"the Lord's day"
Blue, my fellow Adventist, the Lord's Day is the Seventh-Day sabbath as set forth by God to Moses on Mt. Sinai when He gave Moses the tablets of stone known as the Ten Commandments.

The 4th Commandment...you know, the one the Sunday-keepers tend to forget most days.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. - Exodus 20: 8-11, KJV

As an aside, Blue: I was going to say this over in another thread but it got locked; when someone, whether they are a Seventh-Day Adventist (as a couple of us are - you, me and @hobie come to mind here) or not, uses the term "Adventist" they are referring to the Seventh-Day Adventist Church. It is a colloquial term - nothing more, nothing less. It kinda felt like in the other thread that you'd snapped at me for using it and I wanted to clear the air there. Are we good on this, Blue? 🫂
 
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