What does the Bible say about "wine"? Are Christians to drink it?

[tango]

My doctor, when asked if I drink and I replied only at communion wrote down in my health record "Never drinks". So he doesn't include those tiny sips as "drinking", and neither do I. It's not recreational drinking.

Your constant condemnation is really a bit much.

But, but, but, that's the worldly way of justifying something that's BrAzEnLy DiSrEsPeCtFuL to God. Apparently.

 

[BluePrints]

My doctor ...

My doctor / physician:

Jer_8:22 Is there no balm in Gilead; is there no physician there? why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered?​

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Mat_9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.​

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Mar_2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.​

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Luk_4:23 And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.​

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Luk_5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.​

His prescription (- Prescription - Etymology, Origin & Meaning ) is His word unto salvation (G4982;, "σωσει", "swsei"; Mat. 1:21, which means fully healed / restored to perfect health):

Psa_107:20 He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.​

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Mat_8:8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.​

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Mat_8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:​

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Luk_7:7 Wherefore neither thought I myself worthy to come unto thee: but say in a word, and my servant shall be healed.​

, when asked if I drink and I replied only at communion wrote down in my health record "Never drinks".

This response by your "doctor" shows that human beings lie on occasion when not fully submitted to the Holy Ghost / Spirit (in whom is no inebriation; Eph. 5:18).

Rom_3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.​

Your "doctor" is not a good example of representing the truth (Deu. 32:4; Psa. 25:10, 119:142,151; Jhn. 14:6, 17:17; 1 Jhn. 5:6). It is an example of sinful mankind justifying their sins and sinful lifestyle. He might even be a professed Christian, but that does not mean his example is correct, just as Peter's was not:

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.​

Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.​

Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.​

Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?​

Thus, like Paul, I am calling it out, in love. Like Aquila and Priscilla, I am calling to a better way:

Act_18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.​

The woman of Rev. 17 also "drinks" from a "cup", and it causes her to lie, and with those whom she associates to lie as well:

Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:​

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.​

Rev_2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:​

Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
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Even should this "doctor" claim to be a Seventh-day Adventist (and I pray not), he would still have misrepresented the facts of the matter. Drinking alcoholic content from a cup at a communion service is no different from drinking the same amount and content in any other setting. Such 'degree'd' persons were also in Jesus' day, and it was by their wresting of the words of God, that they sought to justify their own actions, and allowances. These things can still be seen in the Babylonian Talmud - Sefaria: a Living Library of Jewish Texts Online

Mal_2:12 The LORD will cut off the man that doeth this, the master and the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto the LORD of hosts.​

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[BluePrints]

So he doesn't include those tiny sips as "drinking", ...

In that same 'vein':

Perhaps we should look to David for his justification for taking Bathsheba?​

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Perhaps we should look to Moses for his justification for taking the life of an Egyptian?​

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Perhaps we should look to Peter for his justification for his dissimulation amongst the believers?​

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Perhaps we should look to Judas for his justification for betraying Jesus?​

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Perhaps we should look to satan for his justification in his rebellion, for after all is he not wiser than Daniel, than any of fallen man (Psa. 8:5)?​

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Eze_28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:​

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Each had their reasons, and some even used God's own promises / words (in an incorrect way) to do so.​

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Perhaps "tiny sips" of flavored "cyanide" (- Cyanide - Wikipedia ) is ok to "drink"?​

God forbid. This is why I cannot trust your (or your doctor's) reasoning.

and neither do I.

That is because you, by your own example, are placing "trust" in the reasoning of your "doctor" and his example. I wonder what else you would also agree to / with in his thoughts / practices, and use to justify your own. I have provided to you the scriptural definitions in the place of man's words / examples.

It's not recreational drinking.

You keep adding the word "recreational" to your justification. The original response to you dealt with the content (alcohol, itself), not the location / scenario. The location / scenario is irrelevant. Drinking 'alcohol' is drinking alcohol no matter the location / scenario. The content (alcohol) does not care, but reacts in the body (and also mind) the same in each. It is simple digestion, simple physics.

Your constant condemnation is really a bit much.

"[My] condemnation"? It is the word that condemns of it (alcohol, and consumption of it), and I have simply amen-ed it.

Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.​

It is the word that judges:

Joh_12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.​

Does one think Paul was judging by his own, or that he was simply 'second-ing' what the word of God already said in judgment?

1Co_5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,​

Why does God's word condemn it? Because it brings decay and death; it destroys the lives (bodies and minds) of those whom God loves.

Pro_31:4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:​

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1Co_4:8 Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you.​

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1Pe_2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:​

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Rev_1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.​

Rev_5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.​

Yet, for those that did not want to be such:

Deu 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.​

Deu 32:32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:​

Deu 32:33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.​

 

[Lamb]

In that same 'vein':

Perhaps we should look to David for his justification for taking Bathsheba?​

​

Perhaps we should look to Moses for his justification for taking the life of an Egyptian?​

​

Perhaps we should look to Peter for his justification for his dissimulation amongst the believers?​

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Perhaps we should look to Judas for his justification for betraying Jesus?​

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Perhaps we should look to satan for his justification in his rebellion, for after all is he not wiser than Daniel, than any of fallen man (Psa. 8:5)?​

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Eze_28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:​

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Each had their reasons, and some even used God's own promises / words (in an incorrect way) to do so.​

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Perhaps "tiny sips" of flavored "cyanide" (- Cyanide - Wikipedia ) is ok to "drink"?​

God forbid. This is why I cannot trust your (or your doctor's) reasoning.


That is because you, by your own example, are placing "trust" in the reasoning of your "doctor" and his example. I wonder what else you would also agree to / with in his thoughts / practices, and use to justify your own. I have provided to you the scriptural definitions in the place of man's words / examples.


You keep adding the word "recreational" to your justification. The original response to you dealt with the content (alcohol, itself), not the location / scenario. The location / scenario is irrelevant. Drinking 'alcohol' is drinking alcohol no matter the location / scenario. The content (alcohol) does not care, but reacts in the body (and also mind) the same in each. It is simple digestion, simple physics.


"[My] condemnation"? It is the word that condemns of it (alcohol, and consumption of it), and I have simply amen-ed it.

Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.​

It is the word that judges:

Joh_12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.​

Does one think Paul was judging by his own, or that he was simply 'second-ing' what the word of God already said in judgment?

1Co_5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,​

Why does God's word condemn it? Because it brings decay and death; it destroys the lives (bodies and minds) of those whom God loves.

Pro_31:4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:​

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1Co_4:8 Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you.​

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1Pe_2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:​

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Rev_1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.​

Rev_5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.​

Yet, for those that did not want to be such:

Deu 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.​

Deu 32:32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:​

Deu 32:33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.​

You just won't stop pushing, will you? I don't "drink". This is a play on semantics on your part and I am asking you to just stop.

 

[tango]

You just won't stop pushing, will you? I don't "drink". This is a play on semantics on your part and I am asking you to just stop.

But, you know, as Proverbs clearly says anyone led astray is not wise. And, you know, taking a tiny little sip of wine at communion (like Jesus told us to) is the first step on the slippery slope of being led astray. Because, well, obviously. Duh.

 

[BluePrints]

You just won't stop pushing, will you? I don't "drink". This is a play on semantics on your part and I am asking you to just stop.

Sister, you are the one continuing to comment, and seeking to justify your claim. I am not the 'pusher' here, I am not the one 'playing' with semantics. No one is forced to reply to this thread, nor participate in it. Each who do so, are free to come and / or go as they please. I provided the definition of "drink" from etymological and Bible uses. If you want to continue to think that you do not "drink" alcohol by the very partaking of a Lutheran communion service (which you admitted, as well as several Lutheran official definitions, was alcohol in its nature, unless by exception), because your "doctor" says it is not "drinking" alcohol, that is your prerogative, and do not have to justify any such defense, or reasoning, to me. According to scripture, you must examine your own self, in its light, for your standing before God is revealed therein (and does not require me at all):

2Co_13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?​

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Psa 44:20 If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god;​

Psa 44:21 Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.​

Psa 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:​

Psa 139:24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.​

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'To day' is the still the anti-typical day of Atonement (since AD 1844, end of the Jubilee, the end of 1,335 & 2,300 day / years and tied to the ending of the "five months" in Dan. 8:13-14,26, 9:24-27; Rev. 9:15,6,10, 3-15, 10:6, 14:6-13), 'the day' of searching of hearts by God (Lev. 16:1-34, 23:26-32), 'the day' of revealing:

6th Trumpet 2300 Day Years Chart : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

6th Trumpet 2300 Day Years Chart

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I will not "stop" responding to those who reply in this thread, for all must have the truth from scriptures, that they also may decide:

Act_5:28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.​

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Act 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.​

 

[Frankj]

Something to consider:

A good lie is mostly true and intended to make people overlook the lie within it but the best lie is entirely truth but told in a manner that leads to believing a lie.

A wise man knows this and avoids the lie being told but a fool does not and falls victim to it.

The Devil knows this and knows it well, being the father of lies.

 

[BluePrints]

Something to consider:

A good lie is mostly true and intended to make people overlook the lie within it but the best lie is entirely truth but told in a manner that leads to believing a lie.

A wise man knows this and avoids the lie being told but a fool does not and falls victim to it.

The Devil knows this and knows it well, being the father of lies.

Would you agree that "truth" is defined by (at least) the following texts?:

Deu 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.​

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Psa 25:10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.​

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Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.​

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Psa 119:151 Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.​

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Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.​

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Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.​

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1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.​

 

[Lamb]

Sister, you are the one continuing to comment, and seeking to justify your claim. I am not the 'pusher' here, I am not the one 'playing' with semantics. No one is forced to reply to this thread, nor participate in it. Each who do so, are free to come and / or go as they please. I provided the definition of "drink" from etymological and Bible uses. If you want to continue to think that you do not "drink" alcohol by the very partaking of a Lutheran communion service (which you admitted, as well as several Lutheran official definitions, was alcohol in its nature, unless by exception), because your "doctor" says it is not "drinking" alcohol, that is your prerogative, and do not have to justify any such defense, or reasoning, to me. According to scripture, you must examine your own self, in its light, for your standing before God is revealed therein (and does not require me at all):

2Co_13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?​

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Psa 44:20 If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god;​

Psa 44:21 Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.​

Psa 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:​

Psa 139:24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.​

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'To day' is the still the anti-typical day of Atonement (since AD 1844, end of the Jubilee, the end of 1,335 & 2,300 day / years and tied to the ending of the "five months" in Dan. 8:13-14,26, 9:24-27; Rev. 9:15,6,10, 3-15, 10:6, 14:6-13), 'the day' of searching of hearts by God (Lev. 16:1-34, 23:26-32), 'the day' of revealing:

6th Trumpet 2300 Day Years Chart : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

6th Trumpet 2300 Day Years Chart

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I will not "stop" responding to those who reply in this thread, for all must have the truth from scriptures, that they also may decide:

Act_5:28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.​

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Act 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.​

I'm asking you now to just stop with your accusation.

 

[BluePrints]

I'm asking you now to just stop with your accusation.

I have no idea to what you are referring by the word "accusation".