What do Pentecostals believe?

[user1234]

You find that offensive to be called a protestant?
Oh I'm really sorry. I had no idea. I won't do it anymore protestant.

So, Im gone for a bit, and I come back and find this ↑ reply to me?!
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It's this kind of misunderstanding that can make this kind of written communicating so aggravating!

Read what I wrote.
I didnt say ME being offended...
And I didnt say it was YOU saying it!!!

I pointed out that we all used to label ppl like that when we were kids, exactly as you pointed out.
I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU!

My post was aimed (CLEARLY, so I thought) at Albions statement that if someone asks not to be called a protestant (or anything), its offensive to keep insisting on calling them that.

I did not say ME in that post, and I did not say you were calling me anything in that post.

If, after a couple of requests not to be called something, someone continues to do it, theyre just being deliberately offensive, and an ignoramus.

idk, I dont get it. I keep trying to bring ideas for us all to be on the same side, this site could accomplish so much good for the cause of Christ, but attempts at good cheer keep getting shut down at every turn.

Its like theres an underlying current of meanspiritedness, and ppl are determined to find a way to misrepresent what someone else says so they can use it to hurt someone or win an arguement where there actually wasnt one.

Its like folks are so expecting to be hurt, theyre determined to find one so as not to be disappointed, even if its not true.
I think we all need to be praying for each other and for this site, we can do so much better ... if we ask Jesus to lead us that way.

 

[atpollard]

Are you inferring that the Spirit, at Pentacost, possessed the believers?
There is a difference between being empowered and being possessed. Your church chose the word "possessed." Why use that specific word?

[I tried to explain it to you, but you saw no need to answer my question, so ... ]
"Neither will I tell you (about) these things." paraphrased from Mark 11:33

I am not obligated to chase whatever sticks you care to throw.

 

[Andrew]

So, Im gone for a bit, and I come back and find this ↑ reply to me?!
[staff edit]
It's this kind of misunderstanding that can make this kind of written communicating so aggravating!

Read what I wrote.
I didnt say ME being offended...
And I didnt say it was YOU saying it!!!

I pointed out that we all used to label ppl like that when we were kids, exactly as you pointed out.
I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU!

My post was aimed (CLEARLY, so I thought) at Albions statement that if someone asks not to be called a protestant (or anything), its offensive to keep insisting on calling them that.

I did not say ME in that post, and I did not say you were calling me anything in that post.

If, after a couple of requests not to be called something, someone continues to do it, theyre just being deliberately offensive, and an ignoramus.

idk, I dont get it. I keep trying to bring ideas for us all to be on the same side, this site could accomplish so much good for the cause of Christ, but attempts at good cheer keep getting shut down at every turn.

Its like theres an underlying current of meanspiritedness, and ppl are determined to find a way to misrepresent what someone else says so they can use it to hurt someone or win an arguement where there actually wasnt one.

Its like folks are so expecting to be hurt, theyre determined to find one so as not to be disappointed, even if its not true.
I think we all need to be praying for each other and for this site, we can do so much better ... if we ask Jesus to lead us that way.

Right even the Apostles did not want believers to name themselves after an Apostle, not saying that any of these denomination chose their label. We are all the same body of Christ, same church, just see things a little differently, these little difference however makes little offshoots in the church. Jesus said that who ever believes in him shall not die and have eternal life, the term "Christian" means exactly that "In Christ". Indeed name calling is just a rivals way to officially brand and separate themselves from the "heretics" in the 'wrong'. "Them dang old protesters need to get! Gosh darn them protestants with them fancy thesis!" (because thats how they talked back then)

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[Andrew]

[I tried to explain it to you, but you saw no need to answer my question, so ... ]
"Neither will I tell you (about) these things." paraphrased from Mark 11:33

I am not obligated to chase whatever sticks you care to throw.

He seems to believe that the word "Possession" must mean something sinister.

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[MennoSota]

[I tried to explain it to you, but you saw no need to answer my question, so ... ]
"Neither will I tell you (about) these things." paraphrased from Mark 11:33

I am not obligated to chase whatever sticks you care to throw.

LOL, I am asking an honest question about humans being actually possessed by God the Spirit. Does the Bible actually say that humans are or can be possessed by God?
I see the Bible say that people can be filled with the Spirit. I see that God gives gifts to his children and empowers them to use these gifts. What I do not see is Spirit possession of the human body.
Why would your church choose that specific word? Does it really believe in Spirit possession of the human body?

 

[MennoSota]

He seems to believe that the word "Possession" must mean something sinister.

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I am asking if the Bible teaches bodily possession by the Holy Spirit upon a human being?

 

[atpollard]

LOL, I am asking an honest question about humans being actually possessed by God the Spirit. Does the Bible actually say that humans are or can be possessed by God?
I see the Bible say that people can be filled with the Spirit. I see that God gives gifts to his children and empowers them to use these gifts. What I do not see is Spirit possession of the human body.
Why would your church choose that specific word? Does it really believe in Spirit possession of the human body?

Do believers command and control the Holy Spirit or does the Holy Spirit command and control believers?

 

[MennoSota]

Do believers command and control the Holy Spirit or does the Holy Spirit command and control believers?

The Spirit is Sovereign, but there is no biblical evidence of the Holy Spirit possessing a human body.
Why would your church teach something the Bible does not teach?

 

[atpollard]

The Spirit is Sovereign, but there is no biblical evidence of the Holy Spirit possessing a human body.
Why would your church teach something the Bible does not teach?

They don't.
You are misunderstanding, but not willing to do the work to really understand.
As Calvinists are experts on the Soverignty of God, so are Pentecostals experts on the person of the Holy Spirit.

 

[MennoSota]

They don't.
You are misunderstanding, but not willing to do the work to really understand.

Your church uses the word "possesed." What am I misunderstanding about the word "possessed?"

 

[Andrew]

Your church uses the word "possesed." What am I misunderstanding about the word "possessed?"

The bible teaches that we were bought at a price and that our body is not ours anymore but belongs to God, its now the temple of God and owned/purchased by the blood of his Son.

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pos·ses·sion

pəˈzeSHən/

noun

1.

the state of having, owning, or controlling something.

"are you*in possession of*any items over $500 in value?"

synonymswnership,*control,*hands,*keeping,*care,*custody,*charge,*hold,*title,*guardianship*More

2.

an item of property; something belonging to one.

"I was alone with no money or possessions"

synonyms:belongings,*things,*property,*(worldly) goods,*(personal) effects,*assets,*chattels,*movables,*valuables;*More

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If the Holy Spirit is one with God then I believe it guides us "possesses" us to act different and do things more positively then what we would have done without the spirit.
In the negative term would mean to be possessed beyond all control as if by demons but this is a positive sense where you wont see any unusual outburst or behavior like you would in a demon possessed manner...

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[MennoSota]

The bible teaches that we were bought at a price and that our body is not ours anymore but belongs to God, its now the temple of God and owned/purchased by the blood of his Son.

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pos·ses·sion

pəˈzeSHən/

noun

1.

the state of having, owning, or controlling something.

"are you*in possession of*any items over $500 in value?"

synonymswnership,*control,*hands,*keeping,*care,*custody,*charge,*hold,*title,*guardianship*More

2.

an item of property; something belonging to one.

"I was alone with no money or possessions"

synonyms:belongings,*things,*property,*(worldly) goods,*(personal) effects,*assets,*chattels,*movables,*valuables;*More

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If the Holy Spirit is one with God then I believe it guides us "possesses" us to act different and do things more positively then what we would have done without the spirit.
In the negative term would mean to be possessed beyond all control as if by demons but this is a positive sense where you wont see any unusual outburst or behavior like you would in a demon possessed manner...

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possessed
[puh-zest]
adjective
spurred or moved by a strong feeling, madness, or a supernatural power (often followed by by, of, or with):
The army fought as if possessed. The village believed her to be possessed of the devil.

The verse you quoted has nothing to do with being possessed. Your definition was about owning something, but @appollard church isn't using that word or definition. They use the word possessed.
Where do we find God possessing another humans body in scripture? I don't find any place in the Bible that teaches such a thing. I see demons possessing people's bodies however.

 

[pinacled]

Are you inferring that the Spirit, at Pentacost, possessed the believers?
There is a difference between being empowered and being possessed. Your church chose the word "possessed." Why use that specific word?

Pardon my interjection to this response.
Every seed after its kind having been grown and subsequently grafted in,...........listen for the bells¡¤¡

I once heard, "wild or natural, an olive is an olive."
I also once heard a daughter respond to her mothers question concerning angels, she said, "an Angel is a Guard"!

And a guard of whom is the operative perspective.
So I see no issue with the descriptive verb , "possesiveness" used as a quality of the Holy Spirit.

And if anyone cares to correct my grammer with Constructive criticism they are welcome to do so.

Now, as for the subject of maturity. I agree with the assessment that this board is in necessity of prayer. Especially after the lack of discipline I have personally witnessed.
If for even a moment a single member were to have a cold disregard for respect. Then there is an issue that needs to be stoked.

Blessings always in the Holy One.

 

[Andrew]

possessed
[puh-zest]
adjective
spurred or moved by a strong feeling, madness, or a supernatural power (often followed by by, of, or with):
The army fought as if possessed. The village believed her to be possessed of the devil.

The verse you quoted has nothing to do with being possessed. Your definition was about owning something, but @appollard church isn't using that word or definition. They use the word possessed.
Where do we find God possessing another humans body in scripture? I don't find any place in the Bible that teaches such a thing. I see demons possessing people's bodies however.

huh! Well then... lol
I always figured like "he was under the possession of evil spirits" and "he was possessed by evil spirits" was just a matter of phrasing it.

"Spurred or moved by a strong feeling" must be what they were suggesting like when Elijah ran by the power of the Lord.

1 Kings 18:45-46: 45 Meanwhile, the sky grew black with clouds, the wind rose, a heavy rain started falling and Ahab rode off to Jezreel. 46 The power of the Lord came on Elijah and, tucking his cloak into his belt, he ran ahead of Ahab all the way to Jezreel

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[MennoSota]

huh! Well then... lol
I always figured like "he was under the possession of evil spirits" and "he was possessed by evil spirits" was just a matter of phrasing it.

"Spurred or moved by a strong feeling" must be what they were suggesting like when Elijah ran by the power of the Lord.

1 Kings 18:45-46: 45 Meanwhile, the sky grew black with clouds, the wind rose, a heavy rain started falling and Ahab rode off to Jezreel. 46 The power of the Lord came on Elijah and, tucking his cloak into his belt, he ran ahead of Ahab all the way to Jezreel

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The term "possessed" is never used.

 

[pinacled]

possessed
[puh-zest]
adjective
spurred or moved by a strong feeling, madness, or a supernatural power (often followed by by, of, or with):
The army fought as if possessed. The village believed her to be possessed of the devil.

The verse you quoted has nothing to do with being possessed. Your definition was about owning something, but @appollard church isn't using that word or definition. They use the word possessed.
Where do we find God possessing another humans body in scripture? I don't find any place in the Bible that teaches such a thing. I see demons possessing people's bodies however.

As a suggestion, you may want to take into account ananias and sapphirah.

To worship in spirit and truth and as was accounted in Yehoshua(Yeshua(joshua.s 24;14
To worship with sincerity and truth....

And to share an understanding I was given during a crucial period in my walk with the Lord.
I wasn't given a spirit of fear, yet I was left with reverence.
And so I'll sing "beloved"....

 

[Andrew]

Pardon my interjection to this response.
Every seed after its kind having been grown and subsequently grafted in,...........listen for the bells¡¤¡

I once heard, "wild or natural, an olive is an olive."
I also once heard a daughter respond to her mothers question concerning angels, she said, "an Angel is a Guard"!

And a guard of whom is the operative perspective.
So I see no issue with the descriptive verb , "possesiveness" used as a quality of the Holy Spirit.

And if anyone cares to correct my grammer with Constructive criticism they are welcome to do so.

Now, as for the subject of maturity. I agree with the assessment that this board is in necessity of prayer. Especially after the lack of discipline I have personally witnessed.
If for even a moment a single member were to have a cold disregard for respect. Then there is an issue that needs to be stoked.

Blessings always in the Holy One.

I agree, shaming in general seems to be a bit rampant here and this is just a little forum for Christians yet it must assume a bigger picture in projection. We are the Body of Christ and are covered in the same blood, no need for further conversion or winning of 'souls' over to a totally different practice of beliefs. A body has many members with different jobs but none are separated from the body, there is no point for an amputation and no need to save another member or maintain them, they have their own duties and maintenance to keep up with and should not have to be subjected to any other conflicting members other than itself to sustain the whole body.
No church is going to change another, there well always be an impossible number to convert over and there is no point in attempting to and unless a brother or sister is on the verge of believing antichrist doctrine, we maintain for the most part the understanding and acceptance and respect of another for we are all brothers in Christ and none the wiser. Prayers for our brethren here at Christian Haven to remain mindful of others and not be so quick to pass judgment and unnecessary shaming.

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[Andrew]

The term "possessed" is never used.

But the description fits "Spurred or moved by a strong feeling" does it not? Was Elijah not moved by the power of the Lord? We all know it must have been a 'strong feeling' that 'moved' him which fits in the context of that particular phrase in the definition of "possessed"

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[atpollard]

The term "possessed" is never used.

Neither is the term Triune God, but many statement of beliefs still include reference to the concept.

Do believers control the Holy Spirit or does the Holy Spirit control believers?
What verses do you point to to answer this question?
Until you bother to search for the scripture on this question, you will not understand the relationship between the Holy Spirit and believers ... the key to our being possessed by God (more than just God's possession, but not demon-like control as you wish to incorrectly infer).

 

[MennoSota]

Neither is the term Triune God, but many statement of beliefs still include reference to the concept.

Do believers control the Holy Spirit or does the Holy Spirit control believers?
What verses do you point to to answer this question?
Until you bother to search for the scripture on this question, you will not understand the relationship between the Holy Spirit and believers ... the key to our being possessed by God (more than just God's possession, but not demon-like control as you wish to incorrectly infer).

Your question is a red herring. No one claims that anyone controls God.
Your church claims that the Holy Spirit possesses human bodies, like demons possess human bodies.
The Holy Spirit is our counselor, not one who possesses our bodies. The Spirit is our helper, not one who possesses our bodies. The Holy Spirit prays for us, He does not possess our bodies. The Holy Spirit gives gifts to the body of Christ, He does not possess our bodies. Never once in Scripture do we find God possessing one of His creation.