Very Liberal Christianity

[IACOBVS]

I think that Liberal Christianity is a mainly Protestant thing.

I know some very liberal Roman Catholics.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I know some very liberal Roman Catholics.

Yeah but they probably absorbed it from very liberal protestants. All that fraternising is no good. No good at all

:smirk:

 

[atpollard]

Thank you.

I'm a Theological Conservative ... political "I just don't care any more" ... so I have not posted on here.
Hello,
Sorry, but I am probably not a 'like minded Liberal Christian'.

I suppose I am more 'Libertarian' ... get government and organizations out of the way and the People of God need to roll up their sleeves and start being the Body of Christ. (Individualy and one on one).

 

[MoreCoffee]

I'm a Theological Conservative ... political "I just don't care any more" ... so I have not posted on here.
Hello,
Sorry, but I am probably not a 'like minded Liberal Christian'.

I suppose I am more 'Libertarian' ... get government and organizations out of the way and the People of God need to roll up their sleeves and start being the Body of Christ. (Individualy and one on one).

The very very liberal Christians may share your enthusiasm for individuality.

 

[atpollard]

The very very liberal Christians may share your enthusiasm for individuality.

“Any organization with more than four people is a hopeless bureaucracy.” - Tom Peters

 

[MoreCoffee]

“Any organization with more than four people is a hopeless bureaucracy.” - Tom Peters

Oh dear, so that would mean the Holy Trinity and you is a bureaucracy? :smirk:

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

nm. Off topic

 

[atpollard]

Oh dear, so that would mean the Holy Trinity and you is a bureaucracy? :smirk:

No, it is MORE than 4 that creates a problem ... and only one of the Trinity is a 'person' in the Human Being/born of woman sense of the word.

Even Scripture supports this ... when Jesus had something important to get done (like pray before his arrest), he only took 3 apostles along (3 apostles + Jesus = 4 people ... not more than 4 people).
Didn't Paul and Barnabus take Matthew and Mark along on the first missionary trip? That's "not more than 4 people", too.

Church "Committees" prevent any real work from getting done.

 

[atpollard]

Deleted as off topic.

 

[IACOBVS]

So, to keep this conversation on topic ... there appear to be one somewhat like-minded person to me here, and one libertarian, and Sir Coffee, who is a closet liberal in the dark recesses of his Roman Catholic heart (and I know him from "the other place", and he was very kind to me there. And there are quite a few decent conservatives who are willing to put up with me. Even Josiah is nice, even though he needs a good spanking quite often.

(or was that supposed to be the recesses of his dark, Roman, Catholic heart? ... it's hard to arrange words and commas precisely, sometimes. That one comma is especially important. teehee)

 

[IACOBVS]

Moderators, could one of you close this thread down? It's still going way off-topic. I'm sorry. Please and thank you. You have been wonderful in putting up with me, me being so different to what all of you are. Those I mentioned in my last post can contact me privately if they wish, or in the Chatbox if they want to make it fun.

 

[MoreCoffee]

My heart is Australian Catholic

:smirk:

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

STAFF NOTICE:

Hi all. Let's please return to the topic of the OP in this thread. Discussion of abortion can be taken here, as posted earlier:
http://www.christianityhaven.com/showthread.php?2256-Why-I-m-Pro-Life

Thanks so much!

 

[MoreCoffee]

Moderators, could one of you close this thread down? It's still going way off-topic. I'm sorry. Please and thank you. You have been wonderful in putting up with me, me being so different to what all of you are. Those I mentioned in my last post can contact me privately if they wish, or in the Chatbox if they want to make it fun.

I wonder if this request was overlooked?

 

[atpollard]

That's not what I meant. I meant that it is common in today's world to see anti-abortion positions combined with positions that aren't supportive of children after they're born. I differ from the OP in that I don't think this is universal. It's just particularly visible in today's American politics.

Politically (as in the platforms of party politics in the USA), I agree.
It is just part of how political machines build a coalition.

On the street, where real people live, that is not the reality.
For example, Foster Parents are overwhelmingly Christians.
Food Pantries are overwhelmingly Christian.
Christian Business Men fund a program at our local schools that send backpacks of food home with students who depend on the school lunch program so they will have food over the weekend.

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We should probably pick a less contentious 'liberal' issue.
Where is the balance between helping the poor and encouraging sloth?
Higher minimum wage?
Affordable education?
Health care?

Personally, I think that Government has waged war on poverty for 50+ years and lost. There are things fundamentally broken in these families that Government cannot fix. Only God can change a heart, so it is the CHURCH (universal) that needs to start investing in people and creating real change through the power of the Gospel and Christian mentoring and community.

 

[user1234]

Politically (as in the platforms of party politics in the USA), I agree.
It is just part of how political machines build a coalition.

On the street, where real people live, that is not the reality.
For example, Foster Parents are overwhelmingly Christians.
Food Pantries are overwhelmingly Christian.
Christian Business Men fund a program at our local schools that send backpacks of food home with students who depend on the school lunch program so they will have food over the weekend.

###

We should probably pick a less contentious 'liberal' issue.
Where is the balance between helping the poor and encouraging sloth?
Higher minimum wage?
Affordable education?
Health care?

Personally, I think that Government has waged war on poverty for 50+ years and lost. There are things fundamentally broken in these families that Government cannot fix. Only God can change a heart, so it is the CHURCH (universal) that needs to start investing in people and creating real change through the power of the Gospel and Christian mentoring and community.

The first half of this is pretty much what I was saying in my post#89.
Conservatives and christians do a whole lot but it's not noticed on the public stage as much as the left because of the liberals bent toward govt programs and media attention.

Unfortunately it's been so long and so forced upon us that many christians now dont really seem to have the means to help the way it's needed. And those in need are growing rapidly in number, so the ability to help has spread too thin, thanks in large part to those same liberal, failed philosophies, policies and agendas.
It's gotten overwhelming and very catch-22, and I see it as part of the grander plan by those that hate America, (and Israel, and the west, and freedom, and JESUS and the Bible) to bring destruction from within.
But now I'm going down a path this thread isn't intended for, sorry.

 

[Lamb]

Staff Notice:

I have moved the posts that dealt with abortion and pro-life into a new thread so that this thread can now continue on topic and the other conversation can keep flowing. Sorry for the delay in doing this.

The other thread can be found here
http://www.christianityhaven.com/sh...-Liberal-Christianity-Abortion-Pro-Life-posts

 

[RayJeena]

Are there any other liberal Christians besides me out there on this forum? (As in: reproductive choice, same sex marriage, trans-gender rights, that Jesus really meant it when he said that if he would draw all people to himself through his sacrifice on the cross, etc.) Some of you conservatives are very nice in your own way, but I'm looking for some "kindred spirits", as Anne of Green Gables would have said ... and no comments from the peanut gallery about any kindred spirits that would go along with what I'm asking would have to be evil spirits. Just wondering. :smile:

Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

I tend to be liberal in my theology. I often joke that if this were
the Dark Ages, I would've been burned at the stake at least 5 times
over by now.


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[JRT]

Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

I tend to be liberal in my theology. I often joke that if this were
the Dark Ages, I would've been burned at the stake at least 5 times
over by now.

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I am much the same. Since almost all doctrines started as heresies, I suspect that in about 500 years I will be regarded as saintly even by they most extreme conservatives.