Vaccinations in the 1960's

[Jazzy]

Were children required to get vaccinations in the 1960's? I don't remember these heated debates about it before. Parents are begging other parents to get their kids vaccinated. What is your opinion?

 

[Lamb]

I don't remember it being required, but it was suggested by the doctor as he smoked his cigarette in the office.

 

[Stravinsk]

I don't know if it was required, but when the covid stuff was being pumped by the media and for a few months I initially gave it a little credence, I asked my mother what I had received, which were, from memory, 3 - measles, mumps, rubella in the 70's. Don't know if it was required at that time though in the USA.

Outside of a tetanus shot many years later, I never got the flu vaccine or any other vaccine and have never suffered from any major disease.

Interesting you brought this up, as I'm currently pursuing through "The Black Death" - Manchester University Press - translated by Rosemary Horrox, which under subsection "Human Agency" lists the many accounts given that Jews were poisoning wells all over Europe, and a few Christians too, who were said to have been influenced by them. History (and I believe, reason) brushes these testimonies aside because of so called prejudice/anti-Semitism etc and the fact that these people were tortured to get confessions. I reject the first but see the reason in rejecting the latter - as torture is a poor way to get to the truth of the matter.

That being said, there was no internet at the time, nor telephones or any other modern communication. Letters had to be sent across lands that would take weeks to arrive - and the surprising thing about the confessions is that they were remarkably similar across many lands, pointing to specific Rabbis and places where poison was to be administered. Go figure eh.

 

[Stravinsk]

For the OP, and anyone else who is interested:

Amazon.com

In case that disappears, the title is "Turtles All The Way Down" by

Anonymous (Author), Zoey O'Toole (Editor), Mary Holland J.D. (Editor, Foreword)

Check it out if you're interested in the real science behind vaccines.

 

[Lamb]

I don't know if it was required, but when the covid stuff was being pumped by the media and for a few months I initially gave it a little credence, I asked my mother what I had received, which were, from memory, 3 - measles, mumps, rubella in the 70's. Don't know if it was required at that time though in the USA.

Outside of a tetanus shot many years later, I never got the flu vaccine or any other vaccine and have never suffered from any major disease.

Interesting you brought this up, as I'm currently pursuing through "The Black Death" - Manchester University Press - translated by Rosemary Horrox, which under subsection "Human Agency" lists the many accounts given that Jews were poisoning wells all over Europe, and a few Christians too, who were said to have been influenced by them. History (and I believe, reason) brushes these testimonies aside because of so called prejudice/anti-Semitism etc and the fact that these people were tortured to get confessions. I reject the first but see the reason in rejecting the latter - as torture is a poor way to get to the truth of the matter.

That being said, there was no internet at the time, nor telephones or any other modern communication. Letters had to be sent across lands that would take weeks to arrive - and the surprising thing about the confessions is that they were remarkably similar across many lands, pointing to specific Rabbis and places where poison was to be administered. Go figure eh.

Torture is also a way to get a false confession, btw.

 

[Lees]

Were children required to get vaccinations in the 1960's? I don't remember these heated debates about it before. Parents are begging other parents to get their kids vaccinated. What is your opinion?

Back then, concerning vaccinations, people had more trust in the government and that it was doing, or trying to do, what was good for it's people.

Today that is for the most part gone.

Lees

 

[tango]

I think one complicating factor is the sheer number of vaccines these days with the increased potential for something to go wrong in any given individual.

We also have the idea that "safe" and "risk free" are synonymous and therefore anything that is not 100% risk free is not "safe". At least where certain things are concerned. We happily get in our cars and drive them despite knowing how many people are killed and injured on the roads - driving is "safe" in that we consider the benefits to be worth the risks even though it is anything but "risk free". Where vaccines are concerned the existence of side effects means the vaccine is not risk free but the chance of suffering a serious side effect is hopefully small enough that they should be considered to be safe.

A part of the problem there is that driving is something I do for my benefit, so it's reasonable that I suffer the effects of the risks involved. If I crash my car I suffer the downsides of it. If the problem was the other driver doing something stupid, I still made a free choice to get in my car and drive it knowing the risks of someone crashing into me because I wanted the benefits of transport. Where vaccines are concerned the benefit may be personal and it may be societal, but society carries none of the costs of dealing with the downsides. If you take a vaccine for the benefit of society as a whole but suffer side effects, society just washes its hands of you and leaves you to cope as best you can.

There's also the issue of trust in government. Part of the problem is down to all sorts of biases - if you know someone who suffered side effects, particularly severe side effects, you're likely to put more weight on the downsides even if that person was just unfortunate enough to be the 1-in-a-million who suffered it. At the same time when people get the sense that government is denying what they can clearly see they are not only more likely to distrust the government on the matter at hand but also to distrust the government on related things going forward.

It's not difficult to see how politicians suggesting that a $15 minimum wage is required to halt the spread of COVID, or introducing "safety" rules that indicate an airborne virus doesn't affect people who are eating at a table but becomes deadly as soon as they finish their last bite, or suggest wearing PPE as a gesture of solidarity with others, or who ban public gatherings shortly before joining a gathering themselves, result in a collapse of trust in government in general.

On the flip side, I think certain diseases have gone away for so long that populations forget what they can be like. I wonder how many people these days know what a disease like polio can do based on experience rather than what a textbook says.

 

[Stravinsk]

Torture is also a way to get a false confession, btw.

Of course it is. Like I said, it's a poor way of getting to the truth.

That being said, when people from different lands within Europe, with no means of immediate communication (having to send letters and such that would take at least weeks if not longer) are comparing confessions (of the tortured) and other testimonies (such as Christians finding poisons in wells/springs etc) and they are remarkably similar in their descriptions of the details, imo it says something.

The Black Death (Jewish Well Poisoners)

 

[Lamb]

Of course it is. Like I said, it's a poor way of getting to the truth.

That being said, when people from different lands within Europe, with no means of immediate communication (having to send letters and such that would take at least weeks if not longer) are comparing confessions (of the tortured) and other testimonies (such as Christians finding poisons in wells/springs etc) and they are remarkably similar in their descriptions of the details, imo it says something.

The Black Death (Jewish Well Poisoners)

And then you also have family members who talk amongst themselves and leave behind testimonies and letters that reveal what happened. That's how I found out about some of my ancestors.