Unemployment Projected to go to 32%

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Due to the covid19 virus it is projected that the unemployment rate could go up to 32%. Well over the rate of the Great Depression.
Offices are overwhelmed by the amount of people lately trying to file for unemployment and people are having difficulty getting through to someone on the phone in our state.
 

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As well as the economic apocalypse there's likely to be a social and mental health crisis looming too. That level of unemployment could easily lead to civil unrest, not to mention a surge in divorce, domestic abuse etc.

Worth keeping in mind when some sections of the media present management as a simple choice between "lives" or "the economy". The economy as a whole is itself life-sustaining - when one man's income depends on another man's spending everything is so interconnected it really makes little sense to argue that something is "non-essential". Any business is essential when the owners and employees are trying to pay their bills.
 

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Businesses that closed in Philly have boarded up their windows because people were breaking in. Things really need to turn around quickly to save the economy...and that means saving the workers in need.
 

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This is the trouble. It's not a matter of "putting the economy before lives", the economy is what sustains those lives. Even for those who insist that any form of economic activity is some kind of right-wing abomination, the social costs of an extended shutdown are likely to be huge.

The elderly, already vulnerable to isolation, are likely to become far more isolated. It's not going to help if they can't even mingle with the other elderly people in the retirement homes.

Workers who are laid off and end up trying to find work in an utterly destroyed economy where many businesses have permanently closed will be dealing with a growing sense of hopelessness, even assuming they don't end up homeless because they can't pay rent.

The education of a generation of children is disrupted, impacting the lower income children the most as they are least likely to have the facilities at home to get online and stay in at least some form of contact with their peers or complete school projects from home.

The consequences of a rise in divorce and domestic abuse could be devasting for untold numbers of people. The increased stress of people being out of work, struggling financially etc are likely to cause either or both of these.

It's far from impossible that we'll see a huge spike in suicides. People who have spent years or decades growing a business only to have it all ripped away from them by government diktat and as a result end up losing their homes and maybe their families as well, and who conclude they have nothing left to live for, seem particularly at risk of suicide.

Personally I find it more concerning that the chance of some kind of civil insurrection increases so substantially. The same people who figure they have nothing to live for may also decide they have nothing to lose and riot. At least they could look forward to being fed in prison.

It really is bizarre that so many people find it acceptable for the government to decide, with no rhyme nor reason, who is allowed to earn a living and who is not and which rights previously considered sancrosanct can be revoked at a couple of hours notice. Short of huge scale confiscation of private property it's hard to see how governments are going to get out of this situation - when so many businesses are shut down the loss of tax revenue will be gigantic, at the same time that unemployment claims go through the roof. It's hard to imagine governments shutting down projects to save revenue so their only options are to tax or borrow. Taxation can only go so far when so many people will end up with nothing, and borrowing will be difficult without the tax revenue to service the borrowing.
 

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Businesses that closed in Philly have boarded up their windows because people were breaking in. Things really need to turn around quickly to save the economy...and that means saving the workers in need.
I'm doubting that things will turn around quickly. Everyone seems to think that maybe by this summer things can go back to normal, but I'm not sure that will be anytime soon at all.
 

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I'm doubting that things will turn around quickly. Everyone seems to think that maybe by this summer things can go back to normal, but I'm not sure that will be anytime soon at all.

A lot of it depends on the people. If they can keep their behinds home like they're supposed to and not take their families out to the grocery store, banks and to Lowe's then maybe they can get this thing under control. People get bored and go out and the more exposure they have to others the more this will spread. I'm sick of seeing online how people are out as if it's a normal day. Where I live we're under Stay at Home orders and the neighboring states have travel bans.

I do think that once the people realize that they can help control this that things can get better. That doesn't mean we'll all have the great economy we had during Trump's years as President so far though because things like this will pull it down. But we can improve things quickly and now that the numbers are down in the DOW I say BUY BUY BUY.
 

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How can we as Christians help out others when we're all struggling together? I've seen people offer up bags of food for their neighbors and especially those with kids. Any other ideas?
 

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A lot of it depends on the people. If they can keep their behinds home like they're supposed to and not take their families out to the grocery store, banks and to Lowe's then maybe they can get this thing under control. People get bored and go out and the more exposure they have to others the more this will spread. I'm sick of seeing online how people are out as if it's a normal day. Where I live we're under Stay at Home orders and the neighboring states have travel bans.

I can't help thinking that a little bit of advance notice where stay home orders were concerned might have helped. If you tell someone that in three hours they are expected to stay home indefinitely they don't have chance to do anything useful to prepare. At least a little bit of notice means people have chance to get supplies without the sense of needing to rush to get something right this instant.

From what I can see the stay at home order is so vague as to be almost useless, not to mention the questions about how appropriate it is for one man to have the power to decide, largely arbitrarily, who is and who is not allowed to earn a living. Throw in the waiver process which creates even more questions about political opportunism and it's easy to see why people might struggle to take it very seriously.

To give a simple example, I could really use a new pair of sneakers. My local shoe store is closed down as a "non essential" business, so I can't go there. If I could it would be very easy to maintain a safe distance from everyone - it's not usually a busy store. The only time I'd expect to come with six feet of anyone where is when paying, and it's not difficult to use a combination of stepping forwards and backwards to keep a greater distance there. But apparently I can go to Walmart, squash in with everyone else, and buy a pair of sneakers there. It's hard to see how this helps with public safety .

I do think that once the people realize that they can help control this that things can get better. That doesn't mean we'll all have the great economy we had during Trump's years as President so far though because things like this will pull it down. But we can improve things quickly and now that the numbers are down in the DOW I say BUY BUY BUY.

My personal view is to hold off on buying. During the 1929 collapse the second stage of the downturn took out more people than the first one did - it crushed the very people who saw a huge drop followed by a bounceback and piled in hard only to then witness the second phase of the crash. For myself I'd rather see how the economy recovers once all the restrictions are lifted and just how bad the damage is. It may be things bounce back relatively fast; it may also be that the crushing level of unemployment means more and more businesses go under because nobody has any money.
 

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A lot of it depends on the people. If they can keep their behinds home like they're supposed to and not take their families out to the grocery store, banks and to Lowe's then maybe they can get this thing under control. People get bored and go out and the more exposure they have to others the more this will spread. I'm sick of seeing online how people are out as if it's a normal day. Where I live we're under Stay at Home orders and the neighboring states have travel bans.

I do think that once the people realize that they can help control this that things can get better. That doesn't mean we'll all have the great economy we had during Trump's years as President so far though because things like this will pull it down. But we can improve things quickly and now that the numbers are down in the DOW I say BUY BUY BUY.
I've seen a lot more people outside in the last few weeks in their yards and walking around the block. I noticed one mom who takes all of her kids with her and they all go for a walk including the family dog.
I saw on the news yesterday that one of the gas station attendants tested positive for it and he last worked at the gas station two weeks ago. I don't go to that particular one anymore but it is only about 6 miles from my house so that made me nervous
 

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I've seen a lot more people outside in the last few weeks in their yards and walking around the block. I noticed one mom who takes all of her kids with her and they all go for a walk including the family dog.
I saw on the news yesterday that one of the gas station attendants tested positive for it and he last worked at the gas station two weeks ago. I don't go to that particular one anymore but it is only about 6 miles from my house so that made me nervous

Going outside if you live in an area where there are open spaces if perfectly fine. It's the big cities that need to beware because they could come close to someone. 6 feet is the distance to stay apart. I live in the country and go for walks around my area every day and if I see someone outside I cross the road and it's safe to do.
 

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I've seen a lot more people outside in the last few weeks in their yards and walking around the block. I noticed one mom who takes all of her kids with her and they all go for a walk including the family dog.
I saw on the news yesterday that one of the gas station attendants tested positive for it and he last worked at the gas station two weeks ago. I don't go to that particular one anymore but it is only about 6 miles from my house so that made me nervous

My wife and I go for a walk just about every day when the weather is nice. We have a loop that's about five miles, almost entirely on back roads. Today we saw one other person out walking. We waved to a few people in their yards - the closest we got to any one of them was about 20 feet.

If you live in a city the chances are you'll have to be a lot more careful. If you live in the countryside maintaining space between yourself and other people is quite easy. There is no "one size fits all" rule given the difference between urban and rural areas.
 
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