Trump Is Disqualified From 2024 Ballot

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In a stunning and unprecedented decision, the Colorado Supreme Court removed former President Donald Trump from the state’s 2024 ballot, ruling that he isn’t an eligible presidential candidate because of the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban.”

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Wouldn’t the Supreme Court not intervene in a states matter? I mean it’s a states issue to hold their own election. Very interesting to say the least I’d love to be a fly on the wall when Trump gets the news.

Do you think the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban” applies to Trump? (Why/Why Not)
 

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Was Trump convicted yet? I didn't see where the case was settled against him, so how can they legally do this based on accusation alone?
 

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It's pretty strange that states within a country can have different legislations. What does this mean for Trump? Do all states have to consider him eligible in order for him to be allowed to run his campaign?
 

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In a stunning and unprecedented decision, the Colorado Supreme Court removed former President Donald Trump from the state’s 2024 ballot, ruling that he isn’t an eligible presidential candidate because of the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban.”

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Wouldn’t the Supreme Court not intervene in a states matter? I mean it’s a states issue to hold their own election. Very interesting to say the least I’d love to be a fly on the wall when Trump gets the news.

Do you think the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban” applies to Trump? (Why/Why Not)


I am NO friend of Trump but.....

This court, all appointed by Democrats, by the narrowest of margins, stated this.

As much as I dislike Trump, this is just beyond absurd. There was no insurrection.... NO ONE wanted to disband the US government and establish a new country, the mob (and that's what it was) wanted to postpone the declaration that Biden won the election to give time for investigations. That's not an insurrection, that's not a move to dissolve the US government and replace it with some other.

And Trump has never been officially charged with insurrection (because that's stupid!)... never been tried for insurrection... never found guilty of insurrection so that court has ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS for it's ruling. Zero. So much for the Rule of Law for these liberal "judges."

I watched that on January 6. Trump was not a part of that mob. He wasn't even there! Much less holding machine guns and leading troops into battle in revolution. He was giving a speech. Very peacefully. None of the mob was even there listening to him give that speech.

Did Trump at several points over the years call for people to "fight for their country?" Yes. But then so did Biden. And Obama. And Clinton. And Reagan. And Kennedy. And Eisenhower. And FDR. And Martin Luther King, Jr. And if we are to fight FOR our country, that's a call to the opposite of insurrection. He did NOT call people to fight for the overthrow of our country.


This is just an effort to circumvent the democratic process by liberals. To interfere with the election. For fear of Trump. The very thing they accuse Trump of doing seems to be what, in fact, THEY are trying to do.

And the irony is: All this does is help Trump. Every time they pull such a stunt, his polls numbers and contributions go up. His supporters rally behind him even more passionately and some independents see what the liberals are doing - and his poll numbers go up and his treasury gets a nice boast.

It's disgusting. It's frightening.


I WISH Trump did not get the nomination. But I hold that the interference in the election process that the libs are doing is very worrisome. And only serves to help Trump.



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It's pretty strange that states within a country can have different legislations. What does this mean for Trump? Do all states have to consider him eligible in order for him to be allowed to run his campaign?
It's not just an American system. Other nations, including Germany for instance, have state legislatures that make policy for those regions, although not superseding the national parliament. It's how a federal system works, as opposed to a unitary system such as France has.

As for your particular question, no, all the states do not have to agree, and this is the first time that such a thing as we're talking about has been attempted.

The states do individually require any political party aspiring to place its candidates on the ballot there to meet certain requirements, but that's not to say that the state can decide for itself which candidate each party is going to be allowed to nominate if it otherwise meets those requirements (filing fees, petition signatures, or the party's vote totals in previous elections, for example).
 

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Wouldn’t the Supreme Court not intervene in a states matter? I mean it’s a states issue to hold their own election.
But not to base its decision on a federal law that does not apply.
Very interesting to say the least I’d love to be a fly on the wall when Trump gets the news.
It can't come as a surprise, considering that supporters of the Democratic Party have tried already to get the same decision out of other states (failing in all of them).

In fact, when it's understood that there's no limit to the ends to which the opponents of our election laws will go in order to retain or gain power, it can't very well be that what happened in Colorado comes as a shock.
Do you think the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban” applies to Trump? (Why/Why Not)
No. Not only was there no insurrection, and Trump has not been convicted of fomenting or participating in an insurrection, but the law in question refers to an insurrectionist holding office, not to having his name appear on the ballot.
 

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The states do individually require any political party aspiring to place its candidates on the ballot there to meet certain requirements, but that's not to say that the state can decide for itself which candidate each party is going to be allowed to nominate if it otherwise meets those requirements (filing fees, petition signatures, or the party's vote totals in previous elections, for example).
So, what happens if Trump (or any candidate, for that matter) wins the elections and some states refuse to recognize him as president?
 

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So, what happens if Trump (or any candidate, for that matter) wins the elections and some states refuse to recognize him as president?


States don't declare who won the national presidency, only who won in that state. The federal government holds an election after the states and then declares who won the national office - and eventually, legally declares that - after which all disputes and challenges are disallowed (the very declaration the mob was trying to postpone until investigations could be made into alleged election fraud).

Many (even in the USA) seem to not know that the US is not a federalist country, it's a union of states (50 of 'em currently, plus the very weird thing of the District of Columbia). Elections ARE a state issue.... but the federal government does have laws that regulate elections to federal offices. The US Constitution has stuff about this (albeit not much).

For president, each state has the election.... each state determining who won THERE. Then each state then sends a delegation of its electors to Washington to hold the actual election, it sends its "Electors" to the Electorial College. Americans do not actually vote for a candidate, we vote for a slate of electors from our state who will vote for the president (sometimes they are obligated to vote for a given candidate, sometimes not). The electors we chose then vote. This is why it is possible (and lately, common!) that a candidate will get more popular votes but loose the election; it's the Electoral College (those electors each state sends) that actually votes; it's not by direct popular vote. This is all flowing from the REALITY that this is a collection, a confederation of sorts, of 50 states - not one federal nation. Yeah, it's complicated... and even a LOT of Americans don't get it. But remember - we started from 13 entirely independent colonies, each with their own money, culture, army, dialect of English (they could hardly understand each other!) and sometimes state church. Each passionately independent. The FIRST attempt at a country placed too much emphasis on the separate states.... that was quickly replaced with our current government which seeks to strike a balance between states and the federal government, but it's a mix of the two. Those in the EU (or even UK) probably can understand this better than a lot of Americans.

SOOO, given the ODD situation with Colorado. Yes, Colorado runs its own elections. BUT there are federal regulations for the election of federal offices so it's legally POSSIBLE that the federal Supreme Court could take this up since it's all based on a point in the Federal Constitution about Federal offices. The US Supreme Court could weigh in - but remember, it only weighs in on what it itself chooses to weigh in on, so it may not. In any case, normally all this takes months (even years) but the Supreme Court has - on rare occasions - taken up a matter immediately. It did so very recently in a similar case, an issue in Florida when there was a dispute about whether Bush or Gore won in Florida. That could happen here. But again, the Federal government would weigh in BECAUSE it's an issue about the US Constitution and a federal office - and thus it has authority here. I find it VERY hard to believe this Colorado ruling will stand. But when dealing with US government and politics, it's good not to put money on it.

Call it weird... call it wrong... but it's how we do it. LOT of countries have LOTS of traditions that don't always make a lot of sense.... but often there's strong HISTORY behind it.



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So, what happens if Trump (or any candidate, for that matter) wins the elections and some states refuse to recognize him as president?
He still becomes president so long as 270 electors chosen in the presidential election vote for him. It's these people--representatives of the voters who actually are the recipients of the votes cast on Election Day--who do the choosing of the president and VP. If there are not 270 votes in the "Electoral College" for any one candidate, the House of Representatives which is the lower house of Congress, decides by majority vote.
 

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He still becomes president so long as 270 electors chosen in the presidential election vote for him. It's these people--representatives of the voters who actually are the recipients of the votes cast on Election Day--who do the choosing of the president and VP. If there are not 270 votes in the "Electoral College" for any one candidate, the House of Representatives which is the lower house of Congress, decides by majority vote.


... and it's unlikely Trump would win in Colorado anyway, whether or not he's on the ballot. He did not win there in 2016 or 2020. But that's one state and just 10 delegates. He could still easily win the election without winning in Colorado; Biden would need 270 to win not just 10 from Colorado. Trump not being on the ballot there (even if that ends up being the case) likely would not change anything, he wouldn't end up with any delegates from there anyway. All this would do is greatly energize Trumps supporters elsewhere. But I doubt the Supreme Court will let this stand... and independents will see the shameless ploy the Democrats tried to do.


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It's pretty strange that states within a country can have different legislations. What does this mean for Trump? Do all states have to consider him eligible in order for him to be allowed to run his campaign?

This will most likely go to the Supreme Court for a ruling.

Democrats are really afraid of him for some reason. What are they afraid that he'll expose if he wins the Presidency?
 

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This will most likely go to the Supreme Court for a ruling.

Democrats are really afraid of him for some reason. What are they afraid that he'll expose if he wins the Presidency?


What puzzles ME is that the Liberals (and their puppets, the press) KNOW tht these things only held Trump. They KNOW it causes his poll numbers to go up, his "base" to become more dedicated, and his donations to soar. They know that. SOOOOO..... do they do these things BECAUSE they know it will help him get the nomination and help him defeat Biden? I find that hard to believe. Or do they want Trump to get the nomination because they think he's the only Republican Biden can defeat? I also find that difficult to believe.

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I'd really rather not see Trump back in the White House but this smacks of political shenanigans rather than anything else.

After the allegations that Trump incited a riot I read his speech, and didn't see anything in it that could be interpreted as inciting a riot. But then those on the left like to talk about code words and dog whistles and all sorts of other vague stuff that boils down to little more than "he didn't actually say it but we know he meant it".

It's particularly curious to see how Hillary Clinton's email server issue was kicked into the long grass in 2016 so as not to appear to be influencing an election, the Hunter Biden laptop was conveniently overlooked in 2020 for presumably the same reasons, and yet when the candidate in question is a Republican none of those guidelines apply.

But, you know, orangemanbad so whatever it takes I guess.
 

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What puzzles ME is that the Liberals (and their puppets, the press) KNOW tht these things only held Trump. They KNOW it causes his poll numbers to go up, his "base" to become more dedicated, and his donations to soar. They know that.

SOOOOO..... do they do these things BECAUSE they know it will help him get the nomination and help him defeat Biden? I find that hard to believe.
Me, too.

It's rather that they are willing to suffer Trump having an increased popularity among Republicans and Independents or anyone else...so long as it doesn't result in him being elected. And the surest way to keep him from being elected is to alter the election laws.
 
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