There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement (The End)

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Well, as it seems when you read it, I realize that, I misquoted it at first. I said lion & lamb, but that's not what it says, it says Wolf and lamb. So what is a Wolf symbolic of?
The Lion laying down with the Lamb is a common thing among Christians, much art centers around this thing, I believe that phrase was used by Gandhi in his writings as well.

The Wolf would be symbolic -to the people of the time- of danger and lies told to deceive, of crafty hunting of the Lamb through stealth (whose symbolism is obvious).

FWIW, in Revelation 5:5 who would you say the Lion of Judah is? And the role it is to play?

Again, just something to think about. I imagine it would mean different things to different people and it might be that they all are right when the bigger picture is finally seen.
 

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The Lion laying down with the Lamb is a common thing among Christians, much art centers around this thing, I believe that phrase was used by Gandhi in his writings as well.

The Wolf would be symbolic -to the people of the time- of danger and lies told to deceive, of crafty hunting of the Lamb through stealth (whose symbolism is obvious).

FWIW, in Revelation 5:5 who would you say the Lion of Judah is? And the role it is to play?

Again, just something to think about. I imagine it would mean different things to different people and it might be that they all are right when the bigger picture is finally seen.

The lion of Judah is clearly Jesus, but when Jesus returns He isnt coming to bring peace, but a sword. So clearly (to me) this is talking about something else. What else fits? The Millennium is when the kids can play with Cobras and not get bit.
 

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The lion of Judah is clearly Jesus, but when Jesus returns He isnt coming to bring peace, but a sword. So clearly (to me) this is talking about something else. What else fits? The Millennium is when the kids can play with Cobras and not get bit.
Maybe so.

I wonder why the reference to the millennium would be in the Bible if it were meant to means something entirely different. If not on earth then where else that is time bound could it be?

In any event, unless it happens really really quick like, I'm not likely to see it so I don't try to orient my life around an expectation of living in it. There are all kinds of things that are fun to speculate about and discuss but they really don't impact my daily life struggle to live life as a Christian should live it.
 

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When will the lion lay down with the lamb?
Isaiah Chapters 11 & 65 Is The Very Same Place, The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven And Earth, Don't Be Deceived By Claims This Represents A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth

Same Wolf & Lamb Together, And Lion Eating Straw Like The Bullock/Ox, In The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven And Earth

(For, Behold, I Create New Heavens And A New Earth)

Isaiah 65:17-18 & 25KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Isaiah 11:6-7KJV
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
 
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The Millennium is when the kids can play with Cobras and not get bit.
Isaiah Chapter 11 represents the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, read my post above real slow

(For, Behold, I Create New Heavens And A New Earth)

A 1,000 year kingdom on this earth at the return of Jesus doesn't exist in scripture, it's a fabricated man made fairy tale
 

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Maybe so.

I wonder why the reference to the millennium would be in the Bible if it were meant to means something entirely different. If not on earth then where else that is time bound could it be?

In any event, unless it happens really really quick like, I'm not likely to see it so I don't try to orient my life around an expectation of living in it. There are all kinds of things that are fun to speculate about and discuss but they really don't impact my daily life struggle to live life as a Christian should live it.

Yeah, it makes sense that it will be on earth. After the rapture because scripture says when he returns at the 2nd coming He brings the Saints with Him, and He couldnt do that if there wasnt a rapture beforehand.But let's think about that for a moment. So when Jesus returns and brings the dead in Christ and those raptured with Him...then we live for another 1000 years on earth.

And when He brings the Saints back with Him, this is after the, in the twinkling of an eye we were transformed. so we will be on earth as divine Humans living beside normal human humans, whom I assume will still carry the adamic nature and so will have to make their decision to join with Christ as their Lord and Savior.

1000 years! With no abortions at all. Whoa, this world is going to explode in population! I wonder what my new job will be? I wonder where I'll live for 1000 years? We see in the OT how they allotted land to their people back then and perhaps so again! How big is your tribe? How big is your family? I bet we largely grow our own food.
 

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Isaiah Chapters 11 & 65 Is The Very Same Place, The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven And Earth, Don't Be Deceived By Claims This Represents A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth

Same Wolf & Lamb Together, And Lion Eating Straw Like The Bullock/Ox, In The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven And Earth

(For, Behold, I Create New Heavens And A New Earth)

Isaiah 65:17-18 & 25KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Isaiah 11:6-7KJV
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

Alright! I got you talking about Isaiah! Thank you. Next thing you know I'll get you into the book of Daniel! Lol.

So, may I ask, what are using as a nexus to the Millennium being in the New Jerusalem and on the new earth? What scripture was that? I like to cover all the bases?

I'm trying to see it from your perspective and I'm getting questions in my head. Like, Why is there a purpose for the Millennium on the new earth, when we "go to Heaven" so to speak (our final dwelling place)? We are saved and have hope in the promise of Eternal life (and Fellowship) with God. So do we get demoted or something after the 1000 year Millennial Reign with Jesus, where we will Reign with him for 1000 years? That sounds like a demotion to me! I mean, we only get to Reign with Jesus for 100 years? Can you see my quandary?

No my Brother! That don't make sense. The Millennial reign of the 1000 years will be right back here on this earth. Jesus is going to restore this planet back to the same conditions that were in the Garden of Eden.(but Stage one of any Remodeling job is always the Demolition of the existing space to be remodeled, hence WW III) For 1000 years, then He melts the earth and we go to our permanent home on the new earth.

And that is when, the meek will inherit the earth.
That, is when the lions and wolves will lay down with the lambs or play with your children. This is when Israel's Borders and lands will become and held as the prophecies dictate! Jesus is going to show us how it should have been, and would have been, if we had not got ourselves into trouble.

And the Humans, you know them, we breed like rabbits, so the Lord's harvest is going to be so much greater than it would be if he ended this earth right after the great tribulation.

Can't you see that? It makes sense too. It is on this earth, unless you can make it make sense with scripture?
 

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Isaiah 65:17-18 & 25KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Ok Brother, let's read Isaiah 65

Isaiah 65:19-21
19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and delight in my people.
And the sound of weeping and crying
will be heard in it no more.
20 “No longer will babies die when only a few days old.
No longer will adults die before they have lived a full life.
No longer will people be considered old at one hundred!
Only the cursed will die that young!
21 In those days people will live in the houses they build
and eat the fruit of their own vineyards..../NLT

v19: Jerusalem? or New Jerusalem?
v20: only if we are cursed will we die in heaven?! Didn't it say, Death got threw into the lake of fire, and we live forevermore with no pain, death or illness? Reconcile that for me!
v21: Waitaminute, I thought Jesus said, I go to prepare a place for you? In my Fathers House are many Mansions? So, we don't get those? We have to build our own?!! (LOL!!!)

No Brother, He went to prepare the New Jerusalem for us in our future. The 1000 year so called Millennium is going to be on this earth, that makes sense. He went to prepare a place for us! Did He fall behind? We have to finish building our heavenly homes by ourselves? We better brush up on the Heavenly Building Codes! Where do I get that?

Is this a Comedy? ! Lol!.
 

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Isaiah Chapter 11 represents the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, read my post above real slow

(For, Behold, I Create New Heavens And A New Earth)

A 1,000 year kingdom on this earth at the return of Jesus doesn't exist in scripture, it's a fabricated man made fairy tale

I was more drawn to your supporting scriptures in Isaiah 65 and have so far today only concentrated on 65, but I'll address chapter 11 after I get to reading it again. That gives you some time to respond to my new questions in my previous post.

I am trying to see your perspective, and so far, I dont see how it makes sense for any death to occur on the new earth or in new Jerusalem, and the building questions and so forth.
 

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Isaiah Chapter 11 represents the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, read my post above real slow

(For, Behold, I Create New Heavens And A New Earth)

A 1,000 year kingdom on this earth at the return of Jesus doesn't exist in scripture, it's a fabricated man made fairy tale

Don't get hasty there. Chapter 11 may indeed talk about the new Jerusalem and new earth, but which earth is represented in chapter 65?

Ok Brother, let's read Isaiah 65

Isaiah 65:19-21
19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and delight in my people.
And the sound of weeping and crying
will be heard in it no more.
20 “No longer will babies die when only a few days old.
No longer will adults die before they have lived a full life.
No longer will people be considered old at one hundred!
Only the cursed will die that young!
21 In those days people will live in the houses they build
and eat the fruit of their own vineyards..../NLT

v19: Jerusalem? or New Jerusalem?
v20: only if we are cursed will we die in heaven?! Didn't it say, Death got threw into the lake of fire, and we live forevermore with no pain, death or illness? Reconcile that for me!
v21: Waitaminute, I thought Jesus said, I go to prepare a place for you? In my Fathers House are many Mansions? So, we don't get those? We have to build our own?!! (LOL!!!)

No Brother, He went to prepare the New Jerusalem for us in our future. The 1000 year so called Millennium is going to be on this earth, that makes sense. He went to prepare a place for us! Did He fall behind? We have to finish building our heavenly homes by ourselves? We better brush up on the Heavenly Building Codes! Where do I get that?
 

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Isaiah Chapter 11 represents the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, read my post above real slow

(For, Behold, I Create New Heavens And A New Earth)

A 1,000 year kingdom on this earth at the return of Jesus doesn't exist in scripture, it's a fabricated man made fairy tale

Ok, so I just read the entire chapter of Isaiah 11

An excerpt:

Isaiah 11:11-12
11 In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time
to bring back the remnant of his people—
those who remain in Assyria and northern Egypt;
in southern Egypt, Ethiopia,[d] and Elam;
in Babylonia,[e] Hamath, and all the distant coastlands.
12 He will raise a flag among the nations
and assemble the exiles of Israel.
He will gather the scattered people of Judah
from the ends of the earth..../NLT

Excuse me Brother, but will there be regions of the new earth that have the same names that this earth has? Some will be exiled and scattered from the ends of the earth, the New Earth?? !!! I'm sorry but that doesn't ring true here. I don't accept what you said here in your post. Please try again. This passage is talking about this earth and if you continue reading wher I left off in chapter 11 it says many more things that can only be on this earth. Try again Brother. The 1000 year reign of Jesus on this earth happens on this earth.

Everyone will be there! Moses, Paul, King David though not the #1 guy, we know who that ism praise the Lord! And Jesus reigns from Jerusalem. Normal humans will still have the adamic nature and human hearts can be wickedly deceiving and lustful. so there will be people getting in trouble, but the meek will have inherited the earth so they get a meek wise judge.
 

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Alright! I got you talking about Isaiah! Thank you. Next thing you know I'll get you into the book of Daniel! Lol.

So, may I ask, what are using as a nexus to the Millennium being in the New Jerusalem and on the new earth? What scripture was that? I like to cover all the bases?

I'm trying to see it from your perspective and I'm getting questions in my head. Like, Why is there a purpose for the Millennium on the new earth, when we "go to Heaven" so to speak (our final dwelling place)? We are saved and have hope in the promise of Eternal life (and Fellowship) with God. So do we get demoted or something after the 1000 year Millennial Reign with Jesus, where we will Reign with him for 1000 years? That sounds like a demotion to me! I mean, we only get to Reign with Jesus for 100 years? Can you see my quandary?

No my Brother! That don't make sense. The Millennial reign of the 1000 years will be right back here on this earth. Jesus is going to restore this planet back to the same conditions that were in the Garden of Eden.(but Stage one of any Remodeling job is always the Demolition of the existing space to be remodeled, hence WW III) For 1000 years, then He melts the earth and we go to our permanent home on the new earth.

And that is when, the meek will inherit the earth.
That, is when the lions and wolves will lay down with the lambs or play with your children. This is when Israel's Borders and lands will become and held as the prophecies dictate! Jesus is going to show us how it should have been, and would have been, if we had not got ourselves into trouble.

And the Humans, you know them, we breed like rabbits, so the Lord's harvest is going to be so much greater than it would be if he ended this earth right after the great tribulation.

Can't you see that? It makes sense too. It is on this earth, unless you can make it make sense with scripture?
Sounds like a fiction novel following Tim La Haye and the left behind series
 

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Sounds like a fiction novel following Tim La Haye and the left behind series
Fiction novel? So in other words, you have no answers for me. That's what I thought.

So what do we have in you here? You are adamant that I am wrong and that you know the truth...But you can't or wont explain the truth to me. All you will say is your wrong your wrong your wrong.

Dont you see something odd about that? You only want to be right I think, even if your wrong yourself.
 

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So when Jesus returns and brings the dead in Christ and those raptured with Him...then we live for another 1000 years on earth.

so we will be on earth as divine Humans living beside normal human humans, whom I assume will still carry the adamic nature and so will have to make their decision to join with Christ as their Lord and Savior.
Your claims are fictional fairy tales

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
 

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Your claims are fictional fairy tales

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

I think you were trying to make your case when you brought up Isaiah 65. So I responded to that, straight out of scripture, the rest of chapter 65 and said huh, can you answer me about that?

...and your response is that sounds like a fictional book...? Scripture is fictional? I was ready to discuss this entire issue of our disagreement in interpretaion...and you Won't! I can meet your mistakes with scripture, but oh no, not from that fictional book?

Why would you not answer my questions and simply attack me and not with scripture, ot with your own scriptures, just, avoidance. Brother in my mind you have just conceded your viewpoint. I think you have been able to see my points and know deep down inside that I am right.

Come on now, do you have anything besides attack the man and the book? Is it simply about, you dont want to admit that you may have made a mistake in your interpretation. And I know that's the truth because you wont address the text that I bring up.
 

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So when Jesus returns and brings the dead in Christ and those raptured with Him...then we live for another 1000 years on earth.

so we will be on earth as divine Humans living beside normal human humans, whom I assume will still carry the adamic nature and so will have to make their decision to join with Christ as their Lord and Savior.

1000 years! With no abortions at all. Whoa, this world is going to explode in population! I wonder what my new job will be? I wonder where I'll live for 1000 years? We see in the OT how they allotted land to their people back then and perhaps so again! How big is your tribe? How big is your family? I bet we largely grow our own food.
Your claims are fictional fairy tales

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
 

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Your claims are fictional fairy tales

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
I think you were trying to make your case when you brought up Isaiah 65. So I responded to that, straight out of scripture, the rest of chapter 65 and said huh, can you answer me about that?

...and your response is that sounds like a fictional book...? Scripture is fictional? I was ready to discuss this entire issue of our disagreement in interpretaion...and you Won't! I can meet your mistakes with scripture, but oh no, not from that fictional book?

Why would you not answer my questions and simply attack me and not with scripture, ot with your own scriptures, just, avoidance. Brother in my mind you have just conceded your viewpoint. I think you have been able to see my points and know deep down inside that I am right.

Come on now, do you have anything besides attack the man and the book? Is it simply about, you dont want to admit that you may have made a mistake in your interpretation. And I know that's the truth because you wont address the text that I bring up.
 

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Your claims are fictional fairy tales

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

So, honestly brother, I repeatedly ask a few questions and this is always your response. You might as well just say, "Uh-Uhhhh"

That response does not prove you are right. You have not proben your viewpoint to be true. Saying I speak fairy tales does not substantiate what you say. Now being as adamant as you are, then surely you know the material well, right? So you should be able to walk me through it and show me where I am wrong and what substantiates your claims.

Am I at the right rally? Because you sound sort of like Kamala harris.

So you may have a mistake in your understanding, big deal. We all have. I have been wrong before, and because I have caught myself being wrong before I understand that I can be wrong. You don't even seem like you would ever admit ever being wrong about anything.

Substantiate your viewpoint and belief, with scripture if you can.
 

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Your claims are fictional fairy tales

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

So I was browsing and was in Revelation 20 and I see that it is talking about the Millennium on earth. Revelation doesn't say as-much about the Millennium as Isaiah 65 but it does make it clear it is on earth. Allow me to demonstrate:

Revelation 20:1-9
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them..../KJV

It's actually a pretty short chapter, here's the rest of it:

Revelation 20:

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire..../KJV

Pay attention to v 3 and v7, so this is clearly after the millennium .

v8...on the earth, I bolded it for you.
 
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