There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement (The End)

[Psalm110]

The name given to it by people in opposition to the viewpoint was Amillenialism.

 

[Frankj]

What is the purpose of mentioning the Millennium if it not to be taken literally?

Again, I wonder if the Book of Revelation should actually be in the Bible as canon at all. It seems to be more effective at dividing and setting Christians apart in disagreement with one another than anything else something that diminishes the power of the Church instead of unifying and magnifying it.

 

[Truth7t7]

What is the name of this theology, please?

The Name Is "Holy Spirit Inspired" Theology

 

[Truth7t7]

What is the purpose of mentioning the Millennium if it not to be taken literally?

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Truth7t7]

Again, I wonder if the Book of Revelation should actually be in the Bible as canon at all. It seems to be more effective at dividing and setting Christians apart in disagreement with one another than anything else something that diminishes the power of the Church instead of unifying and magnifying it.

The truth of God's word is supposed to cause division

Many falsely teach of a mortal Milennium on this earth for 1,000 years, they also falsely teach Jesus Is going to return and sit upon a physical throne in a Jerusalem temple and rule this present earth as King for 1,000 years

This false teaching is prepping the world to receive the future (Man Of Sin/The Beast/The Antichrist) as Jesus returned to earth on a throne in Jerusalem, this false teaching is a very important concern regarding future deception

Jesus Christ warned his followers against this false teaching, Jesus won't be found anyplace on this earth as many Millennialist falsely claim

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"!

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[Frankj]

The truth of God's word is supposed to cause division

This is interesting, could you expand on this? I've always known that Satan wants the Church divided against itself, but never considered that God does as well.

Many falsely teach of a mortal Milennium on this earth for 1,000 years, they also falsely teach Jesus Is going to return and sit upon a physical throne in a Jerusalem temple and rule this present earth as King for 1,000 years

Well, here's a question: How do I know what you say is true when others teach different and even opposite positions as truth and rely on the same Books and verses to justify themselves?

Essentially this is the question I always ask when I hear someone professing truth: How do I know this is true?

Consider that we live in the age of deceit, the final phase of it maybe, and that we were warned to be wary of unsound doctrine promoted as truth.

 

[Edward429451]

The truth of God's word is supposed to cause division

Many falsely teach of a mortal Milennium on this earth for 1,000 years, they also falsely teach Jesus Is going to return and sit upon a physical throne in a Jerusalem temple and rule this present earth as King for 1,000 years

This false teaching is prepping the world to receive the future (Man Of Sin/The Beast/The Antichrist) as Jesus returned to earth on a throne in Jerusalem, this false teaching is a very important concern regarding future deception

Jesus Christ warned his followers against this false teaching, Jesus won't be found anyplace on this earth as many Millennialist falsely claim

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"!

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

If there is not a mortal 1000 years of Jesus reigning on earth and that is a false teaching...then can you show me where in scripture it speaks of the rest of the OT covenant promises being fulfilled. Many of them are yet unfulfilled.

like for example, when in the history of the world has the border of Israel extended as far as the Euphrates river?

Deuteronomy 11:23-24
23 Then the Lord will drive out all the nations ahead of you, though they are much greater and stronger than you, and you will take over their land.
24 Wherever you set foot, that land will be yours. Your frontiers will stretch from the wilderness in the south to Lebanon in the north, and from the Euphrates River in the east to the Mediterranean Sea in the west..../NLT

This has not happened yet. I have been of the belief that there will be a 1000 year Millennium with Jesus ruling and this must be the time period that it comes to pass, also, this has to be when the meek inherit the earth. Why have a Millennium anyway? I think Jesus will restore the earth to the conditions that were in the Garden of Eden. He's going to show us that it could have worked and how it would have been if man did not fall in Eden...

Now I am not saying that you are wrong. I am asking on the premise that I have some things wrong. So can you tell me where I am wrong? Scripturally.

 

[Truth7t7]

If there is not a mortal 1000 years of Jesus reigning on earth and that is a false teaching...then can you show me where in scripture it speaks of the rest of the OT covenant promises being fulfilled. Many of them are yet unfulfilled.

like for example, when in the history of the world has the border of Israel extended as far as the Euphrates river?

Deuteronomy 11:23-24
23 Then the Lord will drive out all the nations ahead of you, though they are much greater and stronger than you, and you will take over their land.
24 Wherever you set foot, that land will be yours. Your frontiers will stretch from the wilderness in the south to Lebanon in the north, and from the Euphrates River in the east to the Mediterranean Sea in the west..../NLT

This has not happened yet. I have been of the belief that there will be a 1000 year Millennium with Jesus ruling and this must be the time period that it comes to pass, also, this has to be when the meek inherit the earth. Why have a Millennium anyway? I think Jesus will restore the earth to the conditions that were in the Garden of Eden. He's going to show us that it could have worked and how it would have been if man did not fall in Eden...

Now I am not saying that you are wrong. I am asking on the premise that I have some things wrong. So can you tell me where I am wrong? Scripturally.

Scripture clearly teaches when Jesus returns (Then Cometh The End) as the resurrection of "All" takes place, then the Lord dissolves this present heaven and earth by fire as you've been shown "Several Times" to your denial of this biblical fact

You falsely believe and teach Jesus returns and a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom takes place on earth, "False"

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Truth7t7]

If there is not a mortal 1000 years of Jesus reigning on earth and that is a false teaching...then can you show me where in scripture it speaks of the rest of the OT covenant promises being fulfilled. Many of them are yet unfulfilled.

like for example, when in the history of the world has the border of Israel extended as far as the Euphrates river?

Deuteronomy 11:23-24
23 Then the Lord will drive out all the nations ahead of you, though they are much greater and stronger than you, and you will take over their land.
24 Wherever you set foot, that land will be yours. Your frontiers will stretch from the wilderness in the south to Lebanon in the north, and from the Euphrates River in the east to the Mediterranean Sea in the west..../NLT

This has not happened yet. I have been of the belief that there will be a 1000 year Millennium with Jesus ruling and this must be the time period that it comes to pass, also, this has to be when the meek inherit the earth. Why have a Millennium anyway? I think Jesus will restore the earth to the conditions that were in the Garden of Eden. He's going to show us that it could have worked and how it would have been if man did not fall in Eden...

Now I am not saying that you are wrong. I am asking on the premise that I have some things wrong. So can you tell me where I am wrong? Scripturally.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Edward429451]

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

Well, we are both trying to get to the truth here, so let's not be too hasty and discuss this some more, ok?

You may indeed have decided to put all those scriptures together that seem to fit in with your doctrine, but is there anything that you could have missed?

Now you seemed to make your case in a way that sounds reasonably plausible. But will it stand up to further scrutiny? Now do we agree that every doctrine must agree with the entirety of scripture? Let's see if that is so because I have a few things coming to my mind, where they might not be.

I also have certain other teachings under my belt that...you havent mentioned, so allow me to ask you how these scriptures are reconciled into your doctrine! They must agree and not create contradictions, right?

Oh-oh, back to old testament!

Isaiah 11:6-8
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den..../KJV

I had it figured that this is how it will be during the Millennium on earth. This situation with the animals has definitely not occurred yet. Or if it has then tell me when this was? Or will this happen during the great tribulation? (I certainly doubt it!) So when?

Matthew 5:5
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth..../KJV

Now this doesn't say, the new earth. It says the earth. So tell me my brother when do the meek get to inherit the earth. Because the meek sure aint in office this year! Lol.

Ponder those scriptures and tell me how they fit with your doctrine. Either it's true or it's not and wouldn't be in there saying it's true. This is straight from the word of God. They must agree or something is wrong.

 

[Edward429451]

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

Here's some more questions based on different scripture.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-15
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep..../KJV

From how you talk, there is 1 resurrection. So this makes a problem for me, How can God bring them which sleep in Jesus with Him when He returns, if they have not been resurrected yet?

 

[Edward429451]

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Those are a lot of great scriptures Brother! Now will you address the scriptures I posted and asked about?

 

[Edward429451]

Scripture clearly teaches when Jesus returns (Then Cometh The End) as the resurrection of "All" takes place, then the Lord dissolves this present heaven and earth by fire as you've been shown "Several Times" to your denial of this biblical fact

You falsely believe and teach Jesus returns and a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom takes place on earth, "False"

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

Come on Brother! I asked you to comment on those scriptures and you've been basically changing the subject to other scriptures besides the ones I posted and want to talk about.

Please don't dodge the questions. Just tell me if what I have said is incorrect, then are you willing to show me how? Or do you just want to dance around it and not address them at all?

 

[Truth7t7]

Come on Brother! I asked you to comment on those scriptures and you've been basically changing the subject to other scriptures besides the ones I posted and want to talk about.

Please don't dodge the questions. Just tell me if what I have said is incorrect, then are you willing to show me how? Or do you just want to dance around it and not address them at all?

You have been clearly shown "Several Times" when Jesus returns (Then Cometh The End) its "Fire Time" not millennial kingdom time, you reject this factual biblical truth as if it doesn't exist

 

[Edward429451]

You have been clearly shown "Several Times" when Jesus returns (Then Cometh The End) its "Fire Time" not millennial kingdom time, you reject this factual biblical truth as if it doesn't exist

Why are you getting defensive with me? I didn't say you were wrong. I was going on the precept that, you are right and I am missing something and you seem to have a handle on it so I asked you "Several Times" to show a Brother where he is wrong. Help a Brother out.

I gave you multiple scriptures which seem to create small holes within your theory for me, so would you address those for me that I may understand...

You are repeatedly refusing to answer questions? So, you don't want to discuss it at all? You simply want to preach your opinion? I ask you Brother, wherein is the Spirit of the Lord in that?

Certainly you have been reading what I post and the scriptures. So at this point, I can only think that, you see the same holes in your theory that I do, and don't have a good answer for me. Otherwise you would show me the error of my thinking.

I can come to no other conclusion except, you don't know what you are talking about.

When do the meek inherit the earth?
When will the lion lay down with the lamb?

Answer if you can, or say that you can't.

 

[Frankj]

When will the lion lay down with the lamb?

Here's an interesting question that came to mind as I read this: What are the Lion and the Lamb, this is obviously symbolic of something but what do they represent?

 

[Edward429451]

Here's an interesting question that came to mind as I read this: What are the Lion and the Lamb, this is obviously symbolic of something but what do they represent?

I have an answer for that, The way that Isaiah reads, they represent animals. Where we have wild animals and snakes and stuff living on this corrupt earth with us, we know that, they will attack us at times. Lions have Carnivore teeth, they eat meat! We better be careful around them.

But how was it back in the Garden of Eden? Did Adam & Eve have to watch out for wild animals? (Lol) Certainly not! Before they fell lins ate grass and Adam & Eve were not on the menu!

The book of Isaiah is a prophetic book, it speaks of the future. Here is a passage from Isaiah 11

Isaiah 11:6-9
6 In that day the wolf and the lamb will live together;
the leopard will lie down with the baby goat.
The calf and the yearling will be safe with the lion,
and a little child will lead them all.
7 The cow will graze near the bear.
The cub and the calf will lie down together.
The lion will eat hay like a cow.
8 The baby will play safely near the hole of a cobra.
Yes, a little child will put its hand in a nest of deadly snakes without harm.
9 Nothing will hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain,
for as the waters fill the sea,
so the earth will be filled with people who know the Lord..../NLT

V6 says, in that day...in what day? When? Because I've never seen in my lifetime behavior of animals like is described. So that's what we're trying to figure out. When does this come to pass? Our brother in Christ seems to think it will be on the new earth, I think. That there is no Millennium on this earth. If you read the entire chapter of Isaiah 11, it becomes clear that, this is talking about here on earth. It doesnt say on the new earth or new Jerusalem or anything of the sort. It seems clear. BUT! If that is correct and it is on this earth then...when? There's def implication of a Millennial period on this earth.

The lion and the lamb is "Obviously Symbolic"? I don't understand that. What is obviously symbolic?

And while you're at it, what is Wolf symbolic of? Leopard? Baby goat? Calf's? Cows? Bears? Cobras? What are they all symbolic of?

Those are not symbolic (to me) those are the animals He speaks of that will grow friendly once again like it used to be.

If we want to discern truth in the NT then we must keep in mind that, our God is the God that tells the end from the beginning. So we can't leave the OT out of it and say, oh that doesnt mean anything anymore. (Lol)

I have been wrong before. And I know how to double check myself so that when I am wrong (not If!) So that I can remain teachable and to learn and correct myself. That's what I was doing when I asked our brother in Christ those questions. Maybe the man is right. Maybe I am wrong. So I set aside my beliefs and presuppositions long enough to look at something from another's perspective and consider it stand alone as a possibility. So does the guy make sense? Well, sort of. He makes his (Opinion) sound sort of plausible, but I have to suppose that I am a wee bit more familiar with the scriptures than he is, because I had immediate questions come to mind (relating to Isaiah)

The only dumb question is the one not asked, lol. I don't think out brother in Christ likes me very much, because I managed to ask him, very good questions.

So why does he become stiff necked about it. The Brother in Christ will only (so far) simply respond with, I am wrong and deny the word of God. Huh. Pretty definitive huh? BUT! If he does know how wrong I am...surely he could discuss these few scriptures with me and show me "where" am I wrong. He wont for some reason? Why does he attack the man and not the question?

If he wants to put me down rather than help me, can it be because he can't help me because He can't answer the question? Nevertheless, the questions stands as unanswered.

 

[Edward429451]

You have been clearly shown "Several Times" when Jesus returns (Then Cometh The End) its "Fire Time" not millennial kingdom time, you reject this factual biblical truth as if it doesn't exist

So why do you refuse to discuss Isaiah 11? Most Bible scholars are saying that it will be a Messianic time of peace and in the knowledge of God over the entire earth.

Isaiah 11: A Prophecy of Peace

Isaiah 11 presents us with a Messiah who judges with righteousness (Isaiah 11:3–4) and eventually restores creation to its Edenic state.

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For example. If they all have this wrong and you know that (we) they are wrong, then, you should be able to show us, wherein are we wrong?

 

[Frankj]

I have an answer for that, The way that Isaiah reads, they represent animals. Where we have wild animals and snakes and stuff living on this corrupt earth with us, we know that, they will attack us at times. Lions have Carnivore teeth, they eat meat! We better be careful around them.

But how was it back in the Garden of Eden? Did Adam & Eve have to watch out for wild animals? (Lol) Certainly not! Before they fell lins ate grass and Adam & Eve were not on the menu!

The book of Isaiah is a prophetic book, it speaks of the future. Here is a passage from Isaiah 11

Isaiah 11:6-9
6 In that day the wolf and the lamb will live together;
the leopard will lie down with the baby goat.
The calf and the yearling will be safe with the lion,
and a little child will lead them all.
7 The cow will graze near the bear.
The cub and the calf will lie down together.
The lion will eat hay like a cow.
8 The baby will play safely near the hole of a cobra.
Yes, a little child will put its hand in a nest of deadly snakes without harm.
9 Nothing will hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain,
for as the waters fill the sea,
so the earth will be filled with people who know the Lord..../NLT

V6 says, in that day...in what day? When? Because I've never seen in my lifetime behavior of animals like is described. So that's what we're trying to figure out. When does this come to pass? Our brother in Christ seems to think it will be on the new earth, I think. That there is no Millennium on this earth. If you read the entire chapter of Isaiah 11, it becomes clear that, this is talking about here on earth. It doesnt say on the new earth or new Jerusalem or anything of the sort. It seems clear. BUT! If that is correct and it is on this earth then...when? There's def implication of a Millennial period on this earth.

The lion and the lamb is "Obviously Symbolic"? I don't understand that. What is obviously symbolic?

And while you're at it, what is Wolf symbolic of? Leopard? Baby goat? Calf's? Cows? Bears? Cobras? What are they all symbolic of?

Those are not symbolic (to me) those are the animals He speaks of that will grow friendly once again like it used to be.

If we want to discern truth in the NT then we must keep in mind that, our God is the God that tells the end from the beginning. So we can't leave the OT out of it and say, oh that doesnt mean anything anymore. (Lol)

I have been wrong before. And I know how to double check myself so that when I am wrong (not If!) So that I can remain teachable and to learn and correct myself. That's what I was doing when I asked our brother in Christ those questions. Maybe the man is right. Maybe I am wrong. So I set aside my beliefs and presuppositions long enough to look at something from another's perspective and consider it stand alone as a possibility. So does the guy make sense? Well, sort of. He makes his (Opinion) sound sort of plausible, but I have to suppose that I am a wee bit more familiar with the scriptures than he is, because I had immediate questions come to mind (relating to Isaiah)

The only dumb question is the one not asked, lol. I don't think out brother in Christ likes me very much, because I managed to ask him, very good questions.

So why does he become stiff necked about it. The Brother in Christ will only (so far) simply respond with, I am wrong and deny the word of God. Huh. Pretty definitive huh? BUT! If he does know how wrong I am...surely he could discuss these few scriptures with me and show me "where" am I wrong. He wont for some reason? Why does he attack the man and not the question?

If he wants to put me down rather than help me, can it be because he can't help me because He can't answer the question? Nevertheless, the questions stands as unanswered.

Consider: Genesis 49:9 Judah is a lion's cub; from the prey, my son, you have gone up. He stooped down; he crouched as a lion and as a lioness; who dares rouse him?

So when we talk of the Lion in prophecy, are we talking of an animal or of Judah?

Just something to think about.

 

[Edward429451]

Consider: Genesis 49:9 Judah is a lion's cub; from the prey, my son, you have gone up. He stooped down; he crouched as a lion and as a lioness; who dares rouse him?

So when we talk of the Lion in prophecy, are we talking of an animal or of Judah?

Just something to think about.

Well, as it seems when you read it, I realize that, I misquoted it at first. I said lion & lamb, but that's not what it says, it says Wolf and lamb. So what is a Wolf symbolic of?