the welfare section 8 ECT

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How should it be handled? Who should qualify? What should be the punishment for abusing the system ( including those who choose not to report known abuse)?
 

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Not the way it is handled now thats for sure and if you are abusing the system then you should be disqualified from using it
 

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How should it be handled? Who should qualify? What should be the punishment for abusing the system ( including those who choose not to report known abuse)?

I'm disabled and I'm getting help from the state. I think people who abuse the system should pay back whatever they owe. We owe them money. NOT that we were abusing them but my husband had a job and we didn't know we had to report the money he was making. My payee, (my father in law) didn't tell me we had to. So we didn't. Now we are screwed out of money we need. Anyways. Oh well I guess. I say get it over with now instead of a problem later.
 

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Not the way it is handled now thats for sure and if you are abusing the system then you should be disqualified from using it

I agree! :bigok:

My brother was selling stuff to get food stamps. :thumbsdown:
 

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I'm disabled and I'm getting help from the state. I think people who abuse the system should pay back whatever they owe. We owe them money. NOT that we were abusing them but my husband had a job and we didn't know we had to report the money he was making. My payee, (my father in law) didn't tell me we had to. So we didn't. Now we are screwed out of money we need. Anyways. Oh well I guess. I say get it over with now instead of a problem later.
I had a situation kind of like that; except in my case it had to do with them catching me with "too much" that I was going to have for a very short time and they just checked me before I could pay my school, Now I do not have to worry about it since like it or hate it I am on death benefits ( which because they are not need based are not subject to money or resources limits.
 

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I agree! :bigok:

My brother was selling stuff to get food stamps. :thumbsdown:
What do you think should happen to someone who fails to REPORT abuse.
 

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What do you think should happen to someone who fails to REPORT abuse.

Bumping up an old thread.

I think if there is someone in the household who fails to report abuse by someone living there that community service might be mandated. Generational welfare is the norm now instead of for emergency purposes.

I wish this new government would crack down on those who refuse to work for their living and rely on my taxes to help fund their lifestyles (newer phones than I have, all the good meat at the supermarket, etc).
 

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Why does the main concern on this thread seem to be about how to punish those who "abuse" the system? This attitude of greed and vindictiveness is what angers me so much about conservatives who call themselves Christians. Our concern, as Christians, should be helping the poor. Period.
 

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Bumping up an old thread.

I think if there is someone in the household who fails to report abuse by someone living there that community service might be mandated. Generational welfare is the norm now instead of for emergency purposes.

I wish this new government would crack down on those who refuse to work for their living and rely on my taxes to help fund their lifestyles (newer phones than I have, all the good meat at the supermarket, etc).

Really? What would Jesus have said about this? I'm surprised. *sadness*
 

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Really? What would Jesus have said about this? I'm surprised. *sadness*
You shouldnt be, the few that abuse the system taint the whole thing. As spmepnme who sees a lot of the poeple in my town who depend on SSI and food stamps, let me tell you that theyare not living large and many couldnt work.
 

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Really? What would Jesus have said about this? I'm surprised. *sadness*

What do you think He would have said about people who take advantage of a system?
 

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What do you think He would have said about people who take advantage of a system?

Walk two miles instead of just one. Remember that?
 

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Walk two miles instead of just one. Remember that?

I think He might make some comments on the commandment about theft ;) If the capable can work, then they're stealing from those in need.
 

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I think He would have had compassion and come against those who lumped them all together, many people today need genuine help
 

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What will people say when machines drive all the trucks and taxis and all the manufacturing work is also done by machines and artificial intelligence computers diagnose disease and prescribe medicines when nearly every job is done by machine and by computer and few people have work to do? Shall those who do not work for their living starve as Paul's words can be interpreted to teach?

"If any one will not work, let him not eat."

Are Paul's words an eternal commandment that must be obeyed forever?
 

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Why does the main concern on this thread seem to be about how to punish those who "abuse" the system? This attitude of greed and vindictiveness is what angers me so much about conservatives who call themselves Christians. Our concern, as Christians, should be helping the poor. Period.

People who abuse the system are taking money intended to help the poor, no? One way to help the poor is to make sure funding reaches those who are actually poor rather than those who figured out how to game the system.
 

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Why does the main concern on this thread seem to be about how to punish those who "abuse" the system? This attitude of greed and vindictiveness is what angers me so much about conservatives who call themselves Christians. Our concern, as Christians, should be helping the poor. Period.



The difference is between helping and enabling: one is Christian, the other is abusive, harmful and probably sinful.


I think PART of the problem is that it can be difficult to tell the difference, difficult to know whether the person NEEDS help and if so WHAT help? Back when help came from family, friend and immediate community perhaps it was easier. Now, the State has taken this over and while it has nearly limitless FINANCIAL resources (the government tends to just TAKE whatever it can get away with - and that's a lot), it perhaps is less able to know if this person is really in NEED and if so how best to help them? I think part of the problem, too, is that the State tends to focus on dealing with the immediate "problem" (as it itself as determined) which often just perpetuates it. "Give a man a fish and you've fed him for an day, teach a man to fish and you've fed him for life." I think MANY are VERY much in favor of job training, education, etc. - efforts to help up. It's the often years of hand outs that change nothing that some find frustrating because it's not really help. IMO, the State assumes some folks are just loosers in some sense and NEED the Government to keep them at a survivor level until they die. I wish the State assumed that people are capable and need opportunities to not only become self-supporting but solid contributors to society and the economy.

We've all witnessed this "enabling" and not just by the government. I recall years ago a man (I'd say in his mid 40's) who was STILL a full time student at a community college (getting free tuition).... he was quite proud to say he had been a full time student for (hold on to your hat....) TWENTY YEARS. Living at home, going to college! I forget how many units he had but he could have had a couple of doctorates by now. Obviously, the State, the college, his parents were enabling this man.... and HURTING him, not helping him. I know a guy my age (late 20's) with whom I once was on the swim team. I think he finally graduated from high school, but he's still living at home, not working, spending most of his time on the social media but with an odd 'under the table' handiman job now and then. There's NOTHING wrong with him.... IMO he is being greatly harmed by his parents because they are enabling him; this may be too harsh but I think this is a kind of child abuse although I'm SURE the parents THINK they are helping their son who doesn't seem ABLE to get a job and who doesn't WANT to get any further education or training. He gets support from welfare, too - the State also contributing to this harmful abuse. Sorry, but I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the people I know like Ted, people who COULD be fully self-supporting (and then some) but choose not to because parents and welfare are enabling them to do nothing (their self-esteem, their social lives in freefall as a result). Sorry, I know too many. And then I think of a girl I went to grad school with. She was deaf and her speech was very hard to understand. She was getting her Ph.D. in biochemistry; I'm sure her opportunities in science will be hindered by her disability but I'm also pretty sure she'll have an important position probably paying pretty well.



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2 Thessalonians 3:10
Matthew 25:40

BOTH are true. Ah.... the "catch" is in applying them in a specific case.
 
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