The unwritten mysteries of the church.

[Cassia]

Sun worship?

Worshipping the creation instead of the Creator?

And with their BACKS to the temple of the Lord.

There is your answer.

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Have to agree

Deuteronomy 4:19
And when you look up to the heavens and see the sun, the moon, and the stars, all the host of heaven, do not be led astray and bow down to them and serve them, things that the Lord your God has allotted to all the peoples everywhere under heaven.
2 Kings 23:5
He deposed the idolatrous priests whom the kings of Judah had ordained to make offerings in the high places at the cities of Judah and around Jerusalem; those also who made offerings to Baal, to the sun, the moon, the constellations, and all the host of the heavens.
2 Kings 23:11
He removed the horses that the kings of Judah had dedicated to the sun, at the entrance to the house of the Lord, by the chamber of the eunuch Nathan-melech, which was in the precincts; then he burned the chariots of the sun with fire.

 

[Lamb]

Im one you need not convince..the founder of the rcc was a highpriest in the worship of the sun. And its mother the moon. Her name was changed to "mary"

You really shouldn't spread things like this. It is NOT how the Roman Christian Church began.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I do not think that the pagan abuses in the temple bear any relationship to Jehovah's arrangements regarding worship in ancient Israel. Christ is called the Sun of Righteousness and his rising is connected to healing the faithful; it is significant that the sun of righteousness rises implying eastward orientation since the sun rises in the east. This is recorded in Malachi 4:2 "But for you who fear my name the sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings. You shall go forth leaping like calves from the stall." and Christ's return is described as flashing from the east to the west Matthew 24:27 "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be." And the east had significance for the encampment of Israel around the tabernacle of Jehovah Numbers 2:3-4 "Now those who camp on the east side toward the sunrise shall be of the standard of the camp of Judah, by their armies, and the leader of the sons of Judah: Nahshon the son of Amminadab, [4] and his army, even their numbered men, 74,600." The significance of eastward orientation is present in both testaments and this significance does not derive from pagan practises but from Jehovah's commands, signs, and symbols pointing to the Lord Jesus Christ.

For the benefit of readers here is a diagram showing how the tribes and the divisions of the priests and Levites were disposed around the tabernacle.

 

[amadeois]

To Alithis:

You have something but better explain why you are making that statement about Constantine the Great.

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[amadeois]

To Cassia:
You should read Exekiel 8:15 through 9:11.
It explains what happened to the 25 persons worshiping the sun towards the East. It also explain what God did to those people that were not obedient.

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[amadeois]

OTHER WRITINGS BESIDES THE BIBLE.

I shouldn't say BESIDES, but underneath.

The jews have other writings underneath the Bible to explain the oral law. When they were captured and sent to Babylon, the rabies wrote a number of instructions on what the words of the Bible meant.

The RCC has done the same thing. Catechism to explain us what the word of God meant.

Islam picked up things from the Christians and jews and their own rules.

Other religions have their own gods and nothing to do with Jesus.

EVERYBODY is doing their OWN THING. Created their own religions to control power over their congregations.

Were those writings inspired by God? What do you think?

We have one book, why have other writings explain THE BOOK?

God gave us an inteligent brain that if properly used can go a long way. Are we that stupid that we need some people explain us what it means?

When other people write additional things is because they are going to explain things their way to obtain a SELFISH BENEFIT.

Who has inspired those writings?
The enemy of God because that is his business, the King Liar. His job is to deceive you so you can die spiritually and not to have a life for ever.

If you do not follow the TRUTH, Jesus, you are following something else, a lie, the Devil.

So my long comment here us that the Jewish nation changed their way after being kidnapped by the Babylon Ian and we're brainwashed with Satan's ideas.

Christianity, including the RCC, also were kidnapped by the Image of the Beast, the false prophet, and the Beast. And God's commandments were changed.

SUMMARIZING:

The BIBLE should be the only book.

Where is this mentioned above?

Revelation 22:19

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book oMIf life, and out of the Holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Amen.

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[MoreCoffee]

Some of you will reject what the early church fathers wrote as having any authority for you and your beliefs. Some of you will not. I thought this was an interesting passage from saint Basil the Great.

Of the beliefs and practices whether generally accepted or publicly enjoined which are preserved in the Church some we possess derived from written teaching; others we have received delivered to us "in a mystery" by the tradition of the apostles; and both of these in relation to true religion have the same force. And these no one will gainsay;--no one, at all events, who is even moderately versed in the institutions of the Church. For were we to attempt to reject such customs as have no written authority, on the ground that the importance they possess is small, we should unintentionally injure the Gospel in its very vitals; or, rather, should make our public definition a mere phrase and nothing more. For instance, to take the first and most general example, who is there who has taught us in writing to sign with the sign of the cross those who have trusted in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ? What writing has taught us to turn to the East at the prayer? Which of the saints has left us in writing the words of the invocation at the displaying of the bread of the Eucharist and the cup of blessing? For we are not, as is well known, content with what the apostle or the Gospel has recorded, but both in preface and conclusion we add other words as being of great importance to the validity of the ministry, and these we derive from unwritten teaching.

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Time will fail me if I attempt to recount the unwritten mysteries of the Church. Of the rest I say nothing; but of the very confession of our faith in Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, what is the written source? If it be granted that, as we are baptised, so also under the obligation to believe, we make our confession in like terms as our baptism, in accordance with the tradition of our baptism and in conformity with the principles of true religion, let our opponents grant us too the right to be as consistent in our ascription of glory as in our confession of faith. If they deprecate our doxology on the ground that it lacks written authority, let them give us the written evidence for the confession of our faith and the other matters which we have enumerated. While the unwritten traditions are so many, and their bearing on "the mystery of godliness is so important, can they refuse to allow us a single word which has come down to us from the Fathers;--which we found, derived from untutored custom, abiding in unperverted churches;--a word for which the arguments are strong, and which contributes in no small degree to the completeness of the force of the mystery? ​

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This thread's title comes from the quote contained in the first post in the thread. Saint Basil (the great) mentions the unwritten mysteries of the Church as including the confession of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as one God in Trinity who is worshipped in unity by all the faithful in the Church. He goes on to write about the right of faithful Christians to be consistent in what they teach and the name in which they are baptised that name being the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. And then saint Basil points to the final blessing uttered in the liturgy which reads thus:

The Lord be with you.
The people reply:
And with your spirit.
The Priest blesses the people, saying:
May almighty God bless you,
the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
The people reply:
Amen.​

Saint Basil's point in this is to give proper emphasis top the unwritten words of God which the Church preserves in her liturgy and in her practises. He does it because in his time there had arisen false teachers who rejected the unwritten words of God on the pretended excuse that unless a thing is written in the holy scriptures then it is unworthy of a place in Christian belief and worship.

[MENTION=252]amadeois[/MENTION], thus saint Basil's statements directly address your claims in post #26 by contradicting what you've written. He beat you to the punch by 1,700 years. And his explanation of the importance of the unwritten words of God preserved in the Church has convinced the majority of Christian people, theologians, authors, and saints since he wrote it 1,700 years ago while the "bible only" advocates have never managed to garner the support of the majority of the faithful even to this day. Thus the tradition in which your statements stand are traditions not held by the majority of Christians and never have been because they are obviously incorrect and obviously are man made traditions that do not come from God.

 

[amadeois]

[MENTION=60]MoreCoffee[/MENTION]

I see that you are very devoted to the ideas of the RCC.

You talk about Saint Basil and the father's of the church and have included the apostles of Jesus and mentioned their teachings that now you are following as well as catholics in the world.

The Bible, the word of God, was inspired by God through the power of the Holy Spirit, and represents Jesus and the TRUTH.

These other writings and teachings of these fathers of the church were not inspired by God through the Holy Spirit. Who inspired them?

Since God has an enemy that has being deceiving people since he made a number on Eve and Adam and has been fighting the Creator. He knows he lost the war because Jesus completed His job of redemption and since he (the Devil) has a little time, he is trying his out most to deceive as many people as he can.

So he has inspired those writers to write those books and interpretación to get them FAR from the truth.

God gave us free will to make decisions in life. Now is our turn to decide:

DO YOU WANT TO FOLLOW THE TRUTH, or

DO YOU WANT TO FOLLOW A LIE?

IT IS YOUR DECISION.

AND IT HAS DIRE CONSEQUENCES FOR ETERNITY.



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[Cassia]

To Cassia:
You should read Exekiel 8:15 through 9:11.
It explains what happened to the 25 persons worshiping the sun towards the East. It also explain what God did to those people that were not obedient.

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Such intriqueing scripture that section is .... especially Ezekial 9:4

The unfulfilled part of that prophesy does seem specifically for the Israelites at the time of tribulation tho. Rev 7:3-8 describes where the tribes, all but Dan, have 12,000 each ( the remnant) sealed and marked with the name of God Rev 14:1.

ALL of the redeemed won't be marked until the next life. Rev 3:12, Rev 22:4

The followers of the beast will also be marked on forehead or hands so it seems all will be accounted for .... Rev 13:16-17, Rev 14:9, and Rev 20:4

1 Peter 4:17-18 illustrates that it begins at His sanctuary Ezekial 9:6


Back to the topic ......

 

[amadeois]

[MENTION=262]Cassia[/MENTION]

Life is filled with competition, specially in sports. You belong to this team or this other team.

Every team has a uniform and a logo that identifies them.

God has one and the Enemy has another.

God gave a sign in your head AND in your hand.

Since the Devil is always imitating God to deceive people to his team, he does copy God with little minor differences so if you are not careful and check those LITTLE DETAILS, Kapoon, you'll be deceived to believe in his ideas and you think you are believing in the TRUTH but is defenetely opposite to it.

The Devils is the mark that is placed in your head OR your hand.

The little deceptive thing is that he changed the AND for the OR.

But the difference on the results are BIG.

This has to do with your thinking (head) and with your actions (hand).

If you get the SIGN, your actions reflect your ideas because they are in agreement.

If you get the MSRK, your actions do not reflect your ideas because they are not in agreement.

The person with the MARK is a deceiving person because thinks one way and does a different thing.

ARE WE GETTING THE IDEA?

Revelation tells us the results of what will happen to those persons that receive the mark.

So please, be smart and follow Jesus, but in order to believe in him and not ABOUT him, you need to get to KNOW him as your best friend ever and then you can tell me or anybody, YES I believe in Jesus because He is my best friend.

But HOW do you get to KNOW HIM?

He is around in the form of a book, so go to it and READ IT, UNDERSTAND IT AND COMPREHEND IT, and follow him by trying to imitate Him.

If you read St. Badil's ideas, you'll get to know him but not Jesus.

BECOME A GOOD FRIEND OF JESUS BECAUSE IT WILL BE PROFITABLE FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

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[Cassia]

It's usually the shadow before the substance but with the marks it's the other way around.

St Bastille also said
"I had wasted much time on follies and spent nearly all of my youth in vain labors, and devotion to the teachings of a wisdom that God had made foolish. Suddenly, I awoke as out of a deep sleep. I beheld the wonderful light of the Gospel truth, and I recognized the nothingness of the wisdom of the princes of this world"

As long as he has the Gospel truth we won't have to worry about him being saved.

 

[Alithis]

You really shouldn't spread things like this. It is NOT how the Roman Christian Church began.

So "they"insist.. Before that institution..read the book of acts.
No pope
No mary
No confessional
No sun-day
No central controlled organisation
No statues etc...

It all came into existance with rome and the popes.. It isnt taught in scripture it isnt displayed in acts.
I really Should speak out about it more.

You think it is accidental that the halo of the sun is found throughout thr rcc imagery ? Do you really think the image of the woman holding a baby with a sunhalo around his head came into being withrome..? It is dated back to postflood days with nimrods mother.

Its no surprise the ancient demons manifest again and again.
Its no surprise they once murdered those who would not submit to romes church and will do so again .no surprise at all.

 

[MoreCoffee]

[MENTION=60]MoreCoffee[/MENTION]

I see that you are very devoted to the ideas of the RCC.

You talk about Saint Basil and the father's of the church and have included the apostles of Jesus and mentioned their teachings that now you are following as well as catholics in the world.

The Bible, the word of God, was inspired by God through the power of the Holy Spirit, and represents Jesus and the TRUTH.

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[MENTION=252]amadeois[/MENTION], Jesus is represented in the holy scriptures as the Truth as well as the Way and the Life. Yet Jesus wrote not one word in the new testament scriptures. His Truth is more than words. It is deeds and power in the Holy Spirit. The Lord Jesus Christ is present in the Catholic Church as her source of life and the centre of her life. The unwritten words of God are preserved in the Catholic Church in her liturgy, her prayers, and in her teaching.

 

[Josiah]

[MENTION=252]amadeois[/MENTION], Jesus is represented in the holy scriptures as the Truth as well as the Way and the Life. Yet Jesus wrote not one word in the new testament scriptures. His Truth is more than words. It is deeds and power in the Holy Spirit. The Lord Jesus Christ is present in the Catholic Church as her source of life and the centre of her life. The unwritten words of God are preserved in the Catholic Church in her liturgy, her prayers, and in her teaching.

IMO, Christ is not present in any geopolitical/economic/legal denomination (and I don't exclude the RCC or LDS from that - in spite of the insistence of both that Christ is present in it itself). I DO believe that Christ is present with CHRISTIANS, where 2 or 3 CHRISTIANS are gathered together in His name. Jesus promised that; Jesus never even mentioned the individual, exclusive RCC or LDS denominations - much less promised anything whatsoever to or about either of those exclusive, individual, unqiue, singular denominations.

I realize that both the RCC and LDS denominations are founded on the CLAIM that Jesus taught a whole bunch of critical Dogmas that the Holy Spirit (in His divine and perfect wisdom) chose to keep out of His Holy Scriptures...... but...... these many secret dogmas continue to be taught (think: Telephone game) until...... eventually...... centuries later...... the RCC or the LDS learned of them!!!!!! And then...... eventually........ perhaps many centuries later...... the RCC or LDS chose to do the opposite of what the Holy Spirit did - reveal them (well, never in whole but just little tiny bits, here and there, as the RCC or LDS individually saw fit to do - usually to imply some unique, new dogma in the RCC or LDS was, well, what JEsus taught). I find this foundational claim not only without historic or biblical support, but dangerous.


My opinion


Pax Christi


- Josiah





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[amadeois]

[MENTION=13]Josiah[/MENTION]

Christians still have a lot of things wrong about what God said on the Bible.

Christians say that "The Lord's Day" is Sunday because He was resurrected on that day.

Jesus was resurrected on His day, not Saturday, but the Sabbath= Shabatt=the day of rest, like His father rested on the last day if the week.

To call it Saturday is PAGAN because you are using a name to pay respect to Saturn, part of the creation. We should pay respect to the Creator=God.

Also calling Sunday=day of the sun is pagan and worshipping to God on that day is wrong. God is going to do a repeat of what happened in the OT. Remember? He asked the jews about what happened with His sabbath when they were captured and taken to Babylon.

He is going to ask the christians, what happened to my sabbaths, you have forgotten my 4th commandment. I hate to see the results of this. Being desobediente to God brings serious consequences.

There are so many other things that have been CHANGED and inspired by none other than Satan.

SO BE SMART AND FOLLOW JESUS AND NOT THE DECEPTIONS OF THE ENEMY.

YOU HAVE TO BE A FRIEND OF JESUS.

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[psalms 91]

[MENTION=13]Josiah[/MENTION]

Christians still have a lot of things wrong about what God said on the Bible.

Christians say that "The Lord's Day" is Sunday because He was resurrected on that day.

Jesus was resurrected on His day, not Saturday, but the Sabbath= Shabatt=the day of rest, like His father rested on the last day if the week.

To call it Saturday is PAGAN because you are using a name to pay respect to Saturn, part of the creation. We should pay respect to the Creator=God.

Also calling Sunday=day of the sun is pagan and worshipping to God on that day is wrong. God is going to do a repeat of what happened in the OT. Remember? He asked the jews about what happened with His sabbath when they were captured and taken to Babylon.

He is going to ask the christians, what happened to my sabbaths, you have forgotten my 4th commandment. I hate to see the results of this. Being desobediente to God brings serious consequences.

There are so many other things that have been CHANGED and inspired by none other than Satan.

SO BE SMART AND FOLLOW JESUS AND NOT THE DECEPTIONS OF THE ENEMY.

YOU HAVE TO BE A FRIEND OF JESUS.

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Truth

 

[Josiah]

Christians still have a lot of things wrong about what God said on the Bible.

I disagree.....


But I don't know why it matters since you posted, "Originally Posted by amadeois View Post
"There are scriptures that are not the truth."

I think we DO very largely agree on the words found in Scripture. Now, not all agree with you that they aren't true, but all (even most non-Christians, I think) agree on what words are found in Scripture.


Now, you seem to be of the opinion that the words found in the Bible are entirely subject to YOU - what YOU think, feel, experience, believe, theorize (but that such is irrelevant from any other of the 2.2 billion Christians - JUST your own personal, current, individual ideas, feelings, expriences, beliefs, theories). IMO, what you are insisting IS the problem: you don't accept Scripture as true but insist that what you - as one individual person - says/theorizes/believes is (instead) ergo true.

To call it Saturday is PAGAN because you are using a name to pay respect to Saturn, part of the creation. We should pay respect to the Creator=God.

Well, you insist that opinions are irrelevant, so.....

To call that day "Saturday" when speaking English is to speak English. If you want to post in French or Russian or Japanese - it would be a different word. So what? There's ZERO evidence that God personally invented the word "Sabbath" and thus no evidence that word comes from no human but from God. Maybe you could post the normative Dictionary and Grammar God personally wrote for God's language?





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[psalms 91]

The words in the bioble are subject to God, not man or even what man wants it to say, and yes there are scriptures that are butchered and those that are twisted as well. Some even changed such as Gods sabbeth

 

[amadeois]

[MENTION=13]Josiah[/MENTION]

There are scriptures that are not the Bible.

How about the sacred scriptures of Islam?
They are sacred to them and are also called their sacred scriptures.

How about the Hindies?
They also have their own sacred scriptures with several gods and is not the Bible?

How about the sacred scriptures of the country of Japan?
Also sacred scriptures to them.

And I can go on and on regarding other sacred scriptures that have beliefs very different from what believe are the only sacred scriptures.

So what I was referring was that they other sacred scriptures to those other people that have different ideas from what we believe. So you are kind of insulting these other believers that they don't have any scriptures. They have scriptures and they believe that they are sacred to them.

Instead of using a word that could be vague regarding "scriptures" you should be more specific if you are referring to the Bible. Call things by what they are, vagueness causes problems with communications and specially the Devi has used this technique to cause CHAOS whenever we discuss the word of his enemy.

I hope you understand what I meant.

People through out words that they fully don't really know what they mean, and that is why we have these discussions to come to an agreement, but it does not happen.

HOW SAD.

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[Lamb]

We don't promote other religions here and don't consider their writings to be sacred. Thank you.