The Love Of Money Is Idol Worshipping

[Josiah]

it does not matter what I do

Why are you unaccountable and exempt from any possibility of sin BUT everyone else is accountable?

You stated I lack faith. Prove it or retract it.

it matters what Jesus said

Okay. If He said we must give everything away.... and you insist on your spin of it... then why have you not done so? Why are we all sinners because we haven't given up everything but the only thing you've indicated you've given up are some business? Have you given up food? Water? Clothes? Life? The internet? Everything?

Luke 16:14 the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all of this and were scoffing at Jesus.

I'm not a Pharisee.

2 Timothy 3:2

For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,

If this means all people, then it means you, too. If you are accusing me not of lacking faith and also being a lover of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to my parents, boastful and arrogant - then prove it.

i may or may have not done does not in anyway change what Jesus said.

Okay. But then either 1) You are spinning this wrongly or 2) You TOO are guilty of not doing what Jesus said (as everyone alive would be)



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[Amos Ministries]

Why are you unaccountable and exempt from any possibility of sin BUT everyone else is accountable?

You stated I lack faith. Prove it or retract it.

I am not exempt ,[Staff edit] I am stating there is no possible way for me to prove to you that I have given up all so what is the point of engaging in this part of the conversation [staff edit] You lack faith because you do not think God will provide for you If you give up all.

Okay. If He said we must give everything away.... and you insist on your spin of it... then why have you not done so? Why are we all sinners because we haven't given up everything

[staff edit] we are sinners even if we give up all. We will always be sinners. When Jesus speaks of the tax collector and the Pharisee praying in the temple he states that the tax collector who states he is a sinner in his prayer goes home justified.


but the only thing you've indicated you've given up are some business? Have you given up food? Water? Clothes? Life? The internet? Everything?

[Staff edit] I gave up everything but it states after you put the kingdom of heaven first God will add these things to you meaning food clothing your needs this is the part you keep omitting due to lack of faith.

I'm not a Pharisee.


2 Timothy 3:2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,

If this means all people, then it means you, too. If you are accusing me not of lacking faith and also being a lover of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to my parents, boastful and arrogant - then prove it.

You are a lover of money because you won’t even agree that Jesus said these things meaning that we have to give up all you will not even agree with that.

Okay. But then either 1) You are spinning this wrongly or 2) You TOO are guilty of not doing what Jesus said (as everyone alive would be)



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We are all guilty of falling short of Jesus standards but at least we must know where we fall short so we can ask for forgiveness and receive it. I am not stating I am any better than you I am a sinner but I am repentant I do not cover it up to make myself appear innocent.

 

[Josiah]

I am stating there is no possible way for me to prove to you that I have given up all

... not as long as you prove you have not, at least not in the sense you proclaim. You have the internet... you have electricity... that you prove every time you post, so you have not given up everything.

You lack faith because you do not think God will provide for you If you give up all.

What purpose is there in God giving something that I just give up? Okay, God gives me food but I give it up - thus starve. What good is that?

I don't OWN anything.... no one does. What I said is that we are to be good STEWARDS of all God has blessed us with (a steward, obviously, owns nothing); I said nothing takes precedence over God (God comes first and primary - above all - the First Commandment). You said I thus lack faith.

I gave up everything

Except it seems electricity, the internet, food, water, clothing, your wife, etc.

God will add these things to you

Which you claim we must give up.

EVERYTHING is God's gifts. If we don't have to give up God's gifts then we don't have to give up everything.... indeed, anything. We just need to give up their lordship in our lives, our sense of merit, our depending on them to do what they cannot but only God can. As several of us have said but you insist we lack faith and haven't done what you've done - give up everything (food, clothing, shelter, water... everything).

You are a lover of money because you won’t even agree that Jesus said these things

Where did I post that Jesus didn't say these things? QUOTE ME, especially since you condemn me for lack of faith BECAUSE I posted it.

What I don't agree with is your spin....

meaning that we have to give up all you will not even agree with that.

I gave what I think it means..... it is OBVIOUS you don't agree with your own spin because the only thing you mentioned that you gave up is some business. That's not "all you have."

I do not cover it up to make myself appear innocent.

I'm not covering up anything to appear anything.... I'm challenging your spin on this; I don't agree that Jesus is asking for some material giving up of everything, I think this has to do with the heart, with faith, with priorities, with lordship, with trust - as do the others posting here. But you've been condemning us, saying we thus lack faith.

We are all guilty of falling short of Jesus standards but at least we must know where we fall short so we can ask for forgiveness and receive it.

Here is what you've repeatedly posted:

I gave up everything

How is that confessing your sins? How is that insisting you have fallen short here? How is that asking for forgiveness?



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[Amos Ministries]

... not as long as you prove you have not, at least not in the sense you proclaim. You have the internet... you have electricity... that you prove every time you post, so you have not given up everything.

[staff edit] how do you know I don’t live with my sister and it’s her Internet connection. Whether it is the case or not what difference does it make to you whether you have to follow Jesus said.

What purpose is there in God giving something that I just give up? Okay, God gives me food but I give it up - thus starve. What good is that?

I don't OWN anything.... no one does. What I said is that we are to be good STEWARDS of all God has blessed us with (

What God has given us is the truth this is what we must not compromise and manipulate this is how we prove ourselves to be good stewards good stewards of his word and his truth.

As the word States what is highly esteemed amongst men is detestable in the eyes of God.

a steward, obviously, owns nothing); I said nothing takes precedence over God (God comes first and primary - above all - the First Commandment). You said I thus lack faith.

You were trying to twist the word
A steward means one who does not manipulate the truth he’s not talking about money.

Except it seems electricity, the internet, food, water, clothing, your wife, etc.

[staff edit]

[staff edit]


Which you claim we must give up.

EVERYTHING is God's gifts. If we don't have to give up God's gifts then we don't have to give up everything.... indeed, anything.

You were referring to money as gifts it was the Devil that offer Jesus money power riches glory wealth.

We just need to give up their lordship in our lives, our sense of merit,

The scriptures state you cannot serve two masters you cannot serve both money and God this is how you prove that Jesus is your Lord and Saviour by giving up all Luke chapter 14 verse 33

our depending on them to do what they cannot but only God can.

You prove this by giving Up all. Not giving lip service.

As several of us have said but you insist we lack faith and haven't done what you've done - give up everything (food, clothing, shelter, water... everything).

Luke 1433 please provide scripture that states we do not have to give up all and that look 1433 is a lie Along with Luke chapter 12 and all the other scriptures I’ve provided you.

Where did I post that Jesus didn't say these things? QUOTE ME, especially since you condemn me for lack of faith BECAUSE I posted it.

What I don't agree with is your spin....

That is because you like faith.

I gave what I think it means..... it is OBVIOUS you don't agree with your own spin because the only thing you mentioned that you gave up is some business. That's not "all you have."

I have answered this many times. It does not matter what I do that does not change what Jesus said. But I’m not saying I have not given up all that is what you were assuming. You assume because I’m talking on the Internet that it’s my Internet connection.

I'm not covering up anything to appear anything.... I'm challenging your spin on this; I don't agree that Jesus is asking for some material giving up of everything, I think this has to do with the heart, with faith, with priorities, with lordship, with trust - as do the others posting here. But you've been condemning us, saying we thus lack faith.

You are compromising manipulating and twisting the word this is due to lack of faith stop it.





Here is what you've repeatedly posted:



How is that confessing your sins? How is that insisting you have fallen short here? How is that asking for forgiveness?

Study the Scriptures you obviously do not understand them.

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[tango]

It’s not flawed how do you know I’m not using somebody else’s Internet connection lol or the libraries. You know nothing you’re just trying to weasel your way out of following a scripture because you lack faith. I would at least respect you if you were able to state it’s true what Jesus said but I have not done it.

I know nothing? Silly me, you obviously know everything there is to know about me (hence your comments ascribing motive to my posts) and presumably Josiah since you did the same to him.

Even if you were using someone else's internet connection, what difference does it make? Are you preaching the gospel to all creatures? Clearly not, you're trying to convince a bunch of Christians (you know, the ones who already heard and accepted the gospel you're supposed to be preaching) that you've got some kind of Super Secret Truth about how we are all doing it wrong.

If you're worried about the way the rest of us use the resources God has entrusted to us, perhaps you might consider how you are using your time.

Either way, I'm done here. [Staff Edit]

 

[Andrew]

Perhaps try preaching this out in the open dressed in sackcloth instead of through a fancy computer/phone

 

[Amos Ministries]

[Staff Edit] You are trying any which way you can in order to weasel out of the commandment that Jesus gave Luke chapter 14 verse 33 which clearly states you must give up all. I don’t really care what you do I’m just telling you what the Bible says but because you love your money you have taken this so personally. Because you love your money you are slave to it.

You are angry because I’m trying to take your god away from you which is money it says you will either love one and despise the other you are loving money and so you are despising the teachings of Jesus and I reviling the one who is only telling you what the Bible says. [Staff Edit] Sorry to be harsh but this is the only time that you’re ever going to hear the truth because everyone else is just tickling Your ears with things you want to hear, sweet nothings and You love them for it.

 

[Amos Ministries]

I know nothing? Silly me, you obviously know everything there is to know about me (hence your comments ascribing motive to my posts) and presumably Josiah since you did the same to him.

Even if you were using someone else's internet connection, what difference does it make? Are you preaching the gospel to all creatures? Clearly not, you're trying to convince a bunch of Christians (you know, the ones who already heard and accepted the gospel you're supposed to be preaching) that you've got some kind of Super Secret Truth about how we are all doing it wrong.

If you're worried about the way the rest of us use the resources God has entrusted to us, perhaps you might consider how you are using your time.

Either way, I'm done here. Pearls before swine and all that.

[Staff Edit] You are trying any which way you can in order to weasel out of the commandment that Jesus gave Luke chapter 14 verse 33 which clearly states you must give up all. I don’t really care what you do I’m just telling you what the Bible says but because you love your money you have taken this so personally. Because you love your money you are slave to it.

You are angry because I’m trying to take your god away from you which is money it says you will either love one and despise the other you are loving money and so you are despising the teachings of Jesus and I reviling the one who is only telling you what the Bible says. [Staff Edit] Sorry to be harsh but this is the only time that you’re ever going to hear the truth because everyone else is just tickling Your ears with things you want to hear, sweet nothings and You love them for it.

 

[Amos Ministries]

Perhaps try preaching this out in the open dressed in sackcloth instead of through a fancy computer/phone

Why don’t you try listening to the word of God instead of mocking what he said.

 

[Andrew]

Why don’t you try listening to the word of God instead of mocking what he said.

In what way am I mocking God by suggesting you preach your message in sackcloth out in the open?

 

[Amos Ministries]

Of course. You are judging how do you know that I don’t preach out on the street.

 

[Andrew]

Of course. You are judging how do you know that I don’t preach out on the street.

Do you?

 

[Amos Ministries]

I preach all ways brother, Bible studies,churches, house churches, personal meetings, meetings over the Internet, Street preaching, Within Canada outside of Canada anyway that I can get the message out. But due to COVID-19 my options are limited at this time as here in Canada we are in complete lockdown And travel has become difficult.

Anyway where are you from? And how is the Covid situation where you are? I hope you are safe during these odd times.

 

[Andrew]

I preach all ways brother, Bible studies,churches, house churches, personal meetings, meetings over the Internet, Street preaching, Within Canada outside of Canada anyway that I can get the message out. But due to COVID-19 my options are limited at this time as here in Canada we are in complete lockdown And travel has become difficult.

Anyway where are you from? And how is the Covid situation where you are? I hope you are safe during these odd times.

Texas, we are pretty lenient here, where I work in Katy TX a good majority don't even wear a mask in stores.

Preach that the love of money is the root of all evil, we here agree with that, but we all each have a lively hood to maintain and even I don't have regular internet usage.. I use a phone, I have a phone to have a job, I have a job to earn money and believe me I haven't bought anything nice for myself in a while, I am very selfless when it comes to charity and handing over to beggars.. where you live in Canada do you have a major homeless crises like in Houston and Austin TX?

Fight the good fight and shame the real enemies, the money preachers, none of us here are into that false doctrine and you are making believers here very upset.

You are here to debate but I'm sure that no one here is hoarding money from those in need, heck I am border line "in need" basically but I hardly sweat it but God provides for His people doesn't He? I mean are we to sell everything he provides to give it all away?
Are we truly His 12 disciples? No, but we are disciples none the less and threatening the choir is not going to make us sell our homes to preach to the nations in sackloth, it's unnecessary

Have a blessed evening

 

[Amos Ministries]

Texas, we are pretty lenient here, where I work in Katy TX a good majority don't even wear a mask in stores.

Preach that the love of money is the root of all evil, we here agree with that, but we all each have a lively hood to maintain and even I don't have regular internet usage.. I use a phone, I have a phone to have a job, I have a job to earn money and believe me I haven't bought anything nice for myself in a while, I am very selfless when it comes to charity and handing over to beggars.. where you live in Canada do you have a major homeless crises like in Houston and Austin TX?

Fight the good fight and shame the real enemies, the money preachers, none of us here are into that false doctrine and you are making believers here very upset.

You are here to debate but I'm sure that no one here is hoarding money from those in need, heck I am border line "in need" basically but I hardly sweat it God provides for His people doesn't He, are we to sell everything he provides and give it all away?
Are we truly His 12 disciples? No, but we are disciples and threatening the choir is not going to make us sell our homes to preach to the nations, it's unnecessary

Have a blessed evening

I’m sorry you feel threatened by the truth these aren’t my words there Jesus‘s words. Giving to charity is one thing or helping the poor but Jesus is saying to sell all you have and give it to the poor. Once again don’t get defensive, I did not add or write this in the Bible.

The people are getting upset because they are mistaking conviction and repentance and taking offense. I am not trying to offend anyone I am merely repeating what Jesus said if this offends them they are taking offence at Jesus. Jesus said many times do I offend thee. Once again I did not write this in the Bible.

Even during the time of Jesus the people took offence scoffed and ridiculed him.

Luke 16:14 The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all of this and were scoffing at Jesus.

As a minister of God I cannot care about whether people take offence to the truth I am not an ear tickler as Paul warns us off I do not speak sweet nothings To appease the masses of what they want to hear.

The scriptures state the first place that the disciples were called Christians was in Antioch. So indeed we are all meant to be disciples all Christians are disciples of Jesus and we need to give up all in order to be considered one by Jesus.

But we must not omit the scripture that states if we give up all and seek the kingdom of heaven first that he will add our needs to us without us toiling seeking for money.

The false doctrine which you speak of is believing that you do not have to give up all when that is what Jesus said That is what Jesus did that is what the disciples did that is what the first century church did in the book of acts.

And in the kingdom of heaven there is no choir so this message is for all of us choir congregation preacher alike we must all give up all and put Jesus first in order to be his disciple.

I am saddened that you feel that something Jesus said is unnecessary.

Good night

 

[Andrew]

I’m sorry you feel threatened by the truth these aren’t my words there Jesus‘s words. Giving to charity is one thing or helping the poor but Jesus is saying to sell all you have and give it to the poor. Once again don’t get defensive, I did not add or write this in the Bible.

The people are getting upset because they are mistaking conviction and repentance and taking offense. I am not trying to offend anyone I am merely repeating what Jesus said if this offends them they are taking offence at Jesus. Jesus said many times do I offend thee. Once again I did not write this in the Bible.

Even during the time of Jesus the people took offence scoffed and ridiculed him.

Luke 16:14 The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all of this and were scoffing at Jesus.

As a minister of God I cannot care about whether people take offence to the truth I am not an ear tickler as Paul warns us off I do not speak sweet nothings To appease the masses of what they want to hear.

The scriptures state the first place that the disciples were called Christians was in Antioch. So indeed we are all meant to be disciples all Christians are disciples of Jesus and we need to give up all in order to be considered one by Jesus.

But we must not omit the scripture that states if we give up all and seek the kingdom of heaven first that he will add our needs to us without us toiling seeking for money.

The false doctrine which you speak of is believing that you do not have to give up all when that is what Jesus said That is what Jesus did that is what the disciples did that is what the first century church did in the book of acts.

And in the kingdom of heaven there is no choir so this message is for all of us choir congregation preacher alike we must all give up all and put Jesus first in order to be his disciple.

I am saddened that you feel that something Jesus said is unnecessary.

Good night

No the false doctrine I spoke of was about how God will enrich you with wealth if you truly believe. What you are doing is twisting the context and times of scripture saying we aren't giving enough, which only God can measure (not man), let not your left hand know what the right is doing.

Saying you use the internet to preach against the wealthy because of hard times is like Kenneth when he uses 3 personal jet airplanes to spread the Gospel because he cant be in a "tube of demons" on a regular plane :/

God bless

 

[Amos Ministries]

No the false doctrine I spoke of was about how God will enrich you with wealth if you truly believe. What you are doing is twisting the context and times of scripture saying we aren't giving enough, which only God can measure (not man), let not your left hand know what the right is doing.

Saying you use the internet to preach against the wealthy because of hard times is like Kenneth when he uses 3 personal jet airplanes to spread the Gospel because he cant be in a "tube of demons" on a regular plane :/

God bless

I never said God will enrich you with wealth I said God will provide for your needs and this can be found in Luke 12.


Yeah you have no idea what you’re talking about here in Canada it’s illegal to go outside it’s called a lockdown are you suggesting that I break the law here in Canada seems like it to me because like I said all churches here have been shut down. Maybe you should look into things before you speak.

I did not write the Bible it says give up all. You are trying and trying trying and trying to get out of it but this is called manipulation of the Scriptures. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean that it’s not true.

You are directly in contravention to the Scriptures Jesus says if you seek the kingdom of heaven and it’s righteousness God will add all these things to you meaning clothing like he did for the flowers food like he does for the birds. You are twisting this. This is clearly said in Luke 12 and then he says therefore go and sell your possessions and give it to the poor. You can twist it if you want it doesn’t really matter to me. The words on the page aren’t going to change.

I don’t even know what you mean by that comment I’m twisting times Of scripture that is ridiculous. I understand your have fear but that’s not an excuse for twisting the words of Jesus and the way that the disciples lived you have tried everything from stating that we are not disciples to I have not done it as if you know me and as if that makes a difference with what Jesus said anyways You’re supposed to follow Jesus not me.

 

[Andrew]

I never said God will enrich you with wealth I said God will provide for your needs and this can be found in Luke 12.


Yeah you have no idea what you’re talking about here in Canada it’s illegal to go outside it’s called a lockdown are you suggesting that I break the law here in Canada seems like it to me because like I said all churches here have been shut down. Maybe you should look into things before you speak.

I did not write the Bible it says give up all. You are trying and trying trying and trying to get out of it but this is called manipulation of the Scriptures. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean that it’s not true.

You are directly in contravention to the Scriptures Jesus says if you seek the kingdom of heaven and it’s righteousness God will add all these things to you meaning clothing like he did for the flowers food like he does for the birds. You are twisting this. This is clearly said in Luke 12 and then he says therefore go and sell your possessions and give it to the poor. You can twist it if you want it doesn’t really matter to me. The words on the page aren’t going to change.

I don’t even know what you mean by that comment I’m twisting times Of scripture that is ridiculous. I understand your have fear but that’s not an excuse for twisting the words of Jesus and the way that the disciples lived you have tried everything from stating that we are not disciples to I have not done it as if you know me and as if that makes a difference with what Jesus said anyways You’re supposed to follow Jesus not me.

I never said that you ever said that.
Re-read what I wrote.

So you are using Law of the Land to justify your right to use the internet (which the poor on the street have no access too) to preach to the rich (who include lower and middle class Christians) to distribute all their wealth to the poor?

Do you have a certain foundation/charity/foundation that I can give all my money away too? Or should I give it all to one person and we trade seats?

Note: I made zero dollar last week, my boss/uncle is very sick and has a ticking time bomb aneurysm that docs gave him almost a year ago 6 months to live, I do not collect unemployment and if my dad dies I am homeless... today my uncle had extremely high blood pressure and a pounding headache but he still called me up to do work around the house for him, we are helping each other out selflessly.. I made 80 dollars today, tell me again how I should sell all of my possessions

 

[Amos Ministries]

I never said that you ever said that.
Re-read what I wrote.

So you are using Law of the Land to justify your right to use the internet (which the poor on the street have no access too) to preach to the rich (who include lower and middle class Christians) to distribute all their wealth to the poor?

No I said God shall add all your needs You’re automatically taking it that if you did not work God cannot provide for you and you would be on the street living in a box this is a lack of faith as Jesus said God will add these things to you.Stop taking things out of context. Thinking that this will assist you in not having to listen to the teachings of Jesus.

Do you have a certain foundation/charity/foundation that I can give all my money away too? Or should I give it all to one person and we trade seats?

No I don’t take money from anyone you can check my website you can check anything you want I do not take money from anyone. God provides.

Note: I made zero dollar last week, my boss/uncle is very sick and has a ticking time bomb aneurysm that docs gave him almost a year ago 6 months to live, I do not collect unemployment and if my dad dies I am homeless... today my uncle had extremely high blood pressure and a pounding headache but he still called me up to do work around the house for him, we are helping each other out selflessly.. I made 80 dollars today, tell me again how I should sell all of my possessions

It’s no use you trying to justify that you don’t have anything to give up we all have possessions and things to give. You have tried every argument to try and get out of the commandment of Jesus to give all from we are not disciples to you don’t have any positions to give up.

 

[Andrew]

No I said God shall add all your needs You’re automatically taking it that if you did not work God cannot provide for you and you would be on the street living in a box this is a lack of faith as Jesus said God will add these things to you.Stop taking things out of context. Thinking that this will assist you in not having to listen to the teachings of Jesus.



No I don’t take money from anyone you can check my website you can check anything you want I do not take money from anyone. God provides.



It’s no use you trying to justify that you don’t have anything to give up we all have possessions and things to give. You have tried every argument to try and get out of the commandment of Jesus to give all from we are not disciples to you don’t have any positions to give up.

I have given my life over to Him as He has for me, how about you?

You aren't kidding anyone here.