The Love Of Money Is Idol Worshipping

[Amos Ministries]

The love of money is idol worshipping in its most relevant and practical form. Money can replace God. Money can mimic God and give us (false) illusions of security, safety, love and happiness. We can begin to trust in money to the point of confusing it with God and loving it more than God.

Exodus 20:23 – Do not make any gods to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gods of gold.

This commandment is telling us not to make money, our God. This is idol worshipping.

Matthew 6:24-34 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

We make money into our God when we follow worldly principles and philosophies instead of biblical ones. Principles from the bible would actually cause us to give our money away and not to amass it.

We make money into our God when we seek after it instead of God. We spend our time and energy seeking this money because we lack faith that God will provide for us. We diligently look to money for security and not to God.

Matthew 6 continued….25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes?

In this verse, Jesus is explaining that life is about more than physical food and clothing. Our focus should be feeding on the word of God and clothing our spiritual body with righteousness (which is the words and teachings of Jesus). We should be caring about our spiritual life.

Our concern should not be on our physical lives here in the world which is short and will pass away. Why are we investing in something so temporary? If we put seeking and keeping the Holy Spirit in our lives our first and only priority, God will add all the things we need to us. He will provide for us as He promised.

#loveofmoney #havefaith #Godwillprovide #giveupall

 

[tango]

There are a few issues with this line of thinking.

Firstly, "gods of silver" and "gods of gold" could refer to an idol fashioned from metal just as much as coins fashioned from metal. The coins (literal or metaphorical) can become an idol but they aren't the only things. We could think of the golden calf fashioned by the Israelites while Moses was on the mountain to see just one example of it referring to something other than money.

When Joseph was in Pharoah's service he had his dream about years of plenty followed by years of famine, and used the years of plenty to stock the stores to ride out the years of famine. That wouldn't have been possible had all the surplus food been given away with carefree abandon. That's not to say we shouldn't give but it's not necessarily as simple as "give it all away".

An eternal question is a sense of balance. We might draw attention to the concept of "seeking after money" but unless you're proposing that people don't bother with things like employment the argument needs to be a lot more nuanced and will invariably end up turning into a matter of opinion rather than fact. If you want to say people shouldn't seek employment at all I'd refer to Paul's words about how "the man who will not work, neither shall he eat". There's a big difference between the man who will not work and the man who cannot work and indeed the man who is willing to work but unable to find work, but if you're saying we should not work because God will provide you need to reconcile it with Paul's words.

If we push too far one way we try to do everything in our own strength and that doesn't work. If we go too far the other way we end up in all sorts of silly places where we don't even go grocery shopping (not that we could do much shopping, if we don't bother to work) because we "trust God to provide". The reality is that God has many ways of providing, not all of which involve simply dropping something into our lives with no involvement at all from us.

 

[Amos Ministries]

There are a few issues with this line of thinking.

Firstly, "gods of silver" and "gods of gold" could refer to an idol fashioned from metal just as much as coins fashioned from metal. The coins (literal or metaphorical) can become an idol but they aren't the only things. We could think of the golden calf fashioned by the Israelites while Moses was on the mountain to see just one example of it referring to something other than money.

When Jesus speaks to the rich young ruler he states there is one thing you lack you must give up all your possessions go and sell it to the poor this is because he is not fulfilling the first commandment he is loving money more than God. I am referring to the scripture to prove that indeed Jesus did equate the love of money as loving golden silver as a god.

When Joseph was in Pharoah's service he had his dream about years of plenty followed by years of famine, and used the years of plenty to stock the stores to ride out the years of famine. That wouldn't have been possible had all the surplus food been given away with carefree abandon. That's not to say we shouldn't give but it's not necessarily as simple as "give it all away".

You are not referring to an individual here you are referring to a country and its government Jesus is speaking to us individually.

An eternal question is a sense of balance. We might draw attention to the concept of "seeking after money" but unless you're proposing that people don't bother with things like employment the argument needs to be a lot more nuanced and will invariably end up turning into a matter of opinion rather than fact. If you want to say people shouldn't seek employment at all I'd refer to Paul's words about how "the man who will not work, neither shall he eat". There's a big difference between the man who will not work and the man who cannot work and indeed the man who is willing to work but unable to find work, but if you're saying we should not work because God will provide you need to reconcile it with Paul's words.

Paul here is speaking to individuals who will not work in the world or do the work of God in this case Paul is stating you do not work you do not eat. Paul in Norway is contradicting Jesus and what he says

Luke 14:33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

Luke 12:
22 Then Jesus said to his disciples: “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. 23 For life is more than food, and the body more than clothes.24 Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them.(T) And how much more valuable you are than birds! 25 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to your life[b]?26 Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?

27 “Consider how the wild flowers grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor(U) was dressed like one of these. 28 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you—you of little faith!(V)29 And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. 30 For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father(W) knows that you need them.(X)31 But seek his kingdom,(Y) and these things will be given to you as well.(Z)

32 “Do not be afraid,(AA) little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.(AB) 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor.(AC) Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven(AD) that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.(AE) 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

We are all meant to give up all follow Jesus and preach the gospel.

Mark 16:15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.

If we push too far one way we try to do everything in our own strength and that doesn't work. If we go too far the other way we end up in all sorts of silly places where we don't even go grocery shopping (not that we could do much shopping, if we don't bother to work) because we "trust God to provide".

This comment shows a lack in faith But it is understandable as we all feel that way.

The reality is that God has many ways of providing, not all of which involve simply dropping something into our lives with no involvement at all from us.

This statement is contradictory to the Scriptures I have provided.

 

[tango]

When Jesus speaks to the rich young ruler he states there is one thing you lack you must give up all your possessions go and sell it to the poor this is because he is not fulfilling the first commandment he is loving money more than God. I am referring to the scripture to prove that indeed Jesus did equate the love of money as loving golden silver as a god.

Indeed, he loved money more than God. The problem wasn't that he had money, but that he loved it too much. The trouble with what you're pushing here is that you're assuming things work both ways. All apples are fruits but not all fruits are apples.

You are not referring to an individual here you are referring to a country and its government Jesus is speaking to us individually.

Paul here is speaking to individuals who will not work in the world or do the work of God in this case Paul is stating you do not work you do not eat. Paul in Norway is contradicting Jesus and what he says

I'm not sure who or what "Paul in Norway" is or what it has to do with anything.

Paul was making it clear that those unwilling to work should not eat. In the context he was also saying that he made sure not to be a burden on his hosts. It's not as if he can just show up and insist they provided for him on the basis he was "doing God's work" as he lived like a leech on the fruits of their labors.

Luke 14:33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

Luke 12:
22 Then Jesus said to his disciples: “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. 23 For life is more than food, and the body more than clothes.24 Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them.(T) And how much more valuable you are than birds! 25 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to your life[b]?26 Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?

27 “Consider how the wild flowers grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor(U) was dressed like one of these. 28 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you—you of little faith!(V)29 And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. 30 For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father(W) knows that you need them.(X)31 But seek his kingdom,(Y) and these things will be given to you as well.(Z)

32 “Do not be afraid,(AA) little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.(AB) 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor.(AC) Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven(AD) that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.(AE) 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

We are all meant to give up all follow Jesus and preach the gospel.

Mark 16:15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.

And assume Someone Else will pick up the tab. How very sacrificial. Or perhaps we could follow Paul's example and work to provide for ourselves as we do it. Apparently Jesus forgot to reprimand the disciples for going back to the business (you know, providing for themselves) of catching fish towards the end of John's gospel. On the contrary, he ate fish with them.

This comment shows a lack in faith But it is understandable as we all feel that way.

Ah yes, that good ole comeback. Any disagreement shows a lack of faith. But I'll hazard a wild guess you have an internet connection, a means of transport and the like? Do you lock your doors at night?

This statement is contradictory to the Scriptures I have provided.

What would you expect when someone believes you are misapplying Scripture?

 

[Amos Ministries]

Indeed, he loved money more than God. The problem wasn't that he had money, but that he loved it too much. The trouble with what you're pushing here is that you're assuming things work both ways. All apples are fruits but not all fruits are apples.

Luke 14:33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

He is asking the same thing from all of us not just the rich young ruler.

I'm not sure who or what "Paul in Norway" is or what it has to do with anything.

lol That was the auto correct LOLI meant to say Paul in no way.

Paul was making it clear that those unwilling to work should not eat. In the context he was also saying that he made sure not to be a burden on his hosts. It's not as if he can just show up and insist they provided for him on the basis he was "doing God's work" as he lived like a leech on the fruits of their labors.

Jesus clearly states that God will provide we must have faith in what Jesus says and we must have faith that God will provide.

And assume Someone Else will pick up the tab. How very sacrificial. Or perhaps we could follow Paul's example and work to provide for ourselves as we do it. Apparently Jesus forgot to reprimand the disciples for going back to the business (you know, providing for themselves) of catching fish towards the end of John's gospel. On the contrary, he ate fish with them.

Jesus clearly stated peter do you love me more than these meaning his boat fishes net.Then he goes on to tell him to take care of his sheep and feed his sheep.

Ah yes, that good ole comeback. Any disagreement shows a lack of faith. But I'll hazard a wild guess you have an internet connection, a means of transport and the like? Do you lock your doors at night?

LOL I never said God would not provide I said if we give up all and preach the gospel then God will provide after we seek the kingdom of heaven first God will add your needs unto you, you still lack faithYou do not believe that God can provide. God provided for over 1 million people in the wilderness I’m pretty sure he can provide for your family. You are already speaking as if you will be in a cardboard box and God will not provide for you none of the disciples died starving and destitute or homeless so I know God will provide .

What would you expect when someone believes you are misapplying Scripture?

I don’t know what you mean by the statement?

 

[Josiah]

There are a few issues with this line of thinking.

Firstly, "gods of silver" and "gods of gold" could refer to an idol fashioned from metal just as much as coins fashioned from metal. The coins (literal or metaphorical) can become an idol but they aren't the only things. We could think of the golden calf fashioned by the Israelites while Moses was on the mountain to see just one example of it referring to something other than money.

When Joseph was in Pharoah's service he had his dream about years of plenty followed by years of famine, and used the years of plenty to stock the stores to ride out the years of famine. That wouldn't have been possible had all the surplus food been given away with carefree abandon. That's not to say we shouldn't give but it's not necessarily as simple as "give it all away".

An eternal question is a sense of balance. We might draw attention to the concept of "seeking after money" but unless you're proposing that people don't bother with things like employment the argument needs to be a lot more nuanced and will invariably end up turning into a matter of opinion rather than fact. If you want to say people shouldn't seek employment at all I'd refer to Paul's words about how "the man who will not work, neither shall he eat". There's a big difference between the man who will not work and the man who cannot work and indeed the man who is willing to work but unable to find work, but if you're saying we should not work because God will provide you need to reconcile it with Paul's words.

If we push too far one way we try to do everything in our own strength and that doesn't work. If we go too far the other way we end up in all sorts of silly places where we don't even go grocery shopping (not that we could do much shopping, if we don't bother to work) because we "trust God to provide". The reality is that God has many ways of providing, not all of which involve simply dropping something into our lives with no involvement at all from us.

Very good.....


There were very rich in the Bible - Abraham, Solomon, etc., etc. Having money PER SE is not sinful or wrong (indeed, it is a divine blessing many of us have and are grateful to God for this blessing).

I think it's a matter of whether money serves us or we serve money (do we have it or does it have us).... or to put it another way, are we trusting money to do what only God can do?

I have a bank account.... investments..... insurance..... as a "good steward" of what God has placed in my hands. But I know God will care for me... and I know what I need is Him. However, my good stewardship of His gifts can be part of His providence; similarly, I put on my seat belt when I drive because I'm a good steward and because God can use seat belts, lol. There's a spiritual foolishness (and immaturity) IMO with jumping off a building and thinking "God will take care of me."

You said it better than me....


Epiphany blessings, my brother.



- Josiah




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[Amos Ministries]

Very good.....


There were very rich in the Bible - Abraham, Solomon, etc., etc. Having money PER SE is not sinful or wrong (indeed, it is a divine blessing many of us have and are grateful to God for this blessing).

You are looking at the old testament but Jesus is greater than everybody in the Old Testament he’s greater than Jacob he was before Abraham he’s greater than the temple is greater than Solomon is greater than Jonah. So we must listen to what Jesus says he is the Messiah not the way Abraham was. Abraham and king David and Moses also murdered people does that mean we can murder.

I think it's a matter of whether money serves us or we serve money (do we have it or does it have us).... or to put it another way, are we trusting money to do what only God can do?

Luke 14:33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

I have a bank account.... investments..... insurance..... as a "good steward" of what God has placed in my hands.

You are counting the riches of this world as talents but what is highly esteemed amongst men is detestable in the eyes of God.

The good steward that God is speaking of is the one who does not compromise and manipulate the truth that God has given us in the Bible through Jesus.

But I know God will care for me... and I know what I need is Him. However, my good stewardship of His gifts can be part of His providence; similarly, I put on my seat belt when I drive because I'm a good steward and because God can use seat belts, lol. There's a spiritual foolishness (and immaturity) IMO with jumping off a building and thinking "God will take care of me."

Your lack of faith is causing you to compromise the Scriptures Jesus gave up all he had nothing he said the son of man has nowhere to lay his head the disciples gave up all Peter spoke up on behalf of the rest and said we have given up everything to follow you we must do likewise.

You said it better than me....


Epiphany blessings, my brother.



- Josiah




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[tango]

Luke 14:33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

He is asking the same thing from all of us not just the rich young ruler.

I guess that leaves you out in the cold as well then, since you apparently haven't given up your internet connection. Or does it only apply to some people giving up some things?

lol That was the auto correct LOLI meant to say Paul in no way.

Ha, that certainly makes more sense. I wondered if I'd missed something there.

The trouble is that Paul (from somewhere other than Norway!) clearly points out to the Thessalonians that they (presumably Paul, Silvanus and Timothy) "worked with labor and toil night and day" so that they wouldn't be a burden. That means they were working, doing secular work rather than simply preaching. They didn't expect someone else to foot the bill for their mission work, they worked to pay their own way. Silly Paul. Perhaps he should have just shrugged and figured God would provide as if by magic.

Jesus clearly states that God will provide we must have faith in what Jesus says and we must have faith that God will provide.

LOL I never said God would not provide I said if we give up all and preach the gospel then God will provide after we seek the kingdom of heaven first God will add your needs unto you, you still lack faithYou do not believe that God can provide. God provided for over 1 million people in the wilderness I’m pretty sure he can provide for your family. You are already speaking as if you will be in a cardboard box and God will not provide for you none of the disciples died starving and destitute or homeless so I know God will provide .

This reminds me of the story of the man trapped in his house in rising floodwaters who prayed that God would save him. A neighbor came by with a 4x4 and offered him a ride, which he declined because he knew God would save him. As the waters rose another neighbor came by in a canoe and offered him a ride, which he declined because he knew God would save him. The waters rose some more and he climbed up on to the roof. A helicopter lowered a rope and offered him a ride, which he declined because he knew God would save him. Finally the waters rose to cover the house and he drowned.

When he stood before God he asked his question - "I was faithful to you, why didn't you save me", to which God replied "I sent you a 4x4, a boat and a helicopter, what more did you want?" Sometimes things are provided naturally. The person with the hefty 4x4 who sometimes uses it to help others is probably doing more good than the person who gives it away for a feeling of spiritual superiority, no?

I don’t know what you mean by the statement?

I mean I think you are misapplying the Scriptures. I thought that would have been clear.

 

[Amos Ministries]

I guess that leaves you out in the cold as well then, since you apparently haven't given up your internet connection. Or does it only apply to some people giving up some things?

Description states if you put first priority in your life seeking the Holy Spirit and his righteousness God will add these things to you meaning give the things you need to you you are missing this part of the scripture.

Ha, that certainly makes more sense. I wondered if I'd missed something there.

The trouble is that Paul (from somewhere other than Norway!) clearly points out to the Thessalonians that they (presumably Paul, Silvanus and Timothy) "worked with labor and toil night and day" so that they wouldn't be a burden. That means they were working, doing secular work rather than simply preaching. They didn't expect someone else to foot the bill for their mission work, they worked to pay their own way. Silly Paul. Perhaps he should have just shrugged and figured God would provide as if by magic.

So if you keep reading further you’ll find after Paul says he robbed one church in order to give to another he began to receive funds from the church in Macedonia so Paul did work up until he states he went into ministry full-time by receiving funds from the church in Macedonia.

This reminds me of the story of the man trapped in his house in rising floodwaters who prayed that God would save him. A neighbor came by with a 4x4 and offered him a ride, which he declined because he knew God would save him. As the waters rose another neighbor came by in a canoe and offered him a ride, which he declined because he knew God would save him. The waters rose some more and he climbed up on to the roof. A helicopter lowered a rope and offered him a ride, which he declined because he knew God would save him. Finally the waters rose to cover the house and he drowned.

When he stood before God he asked his question - "I was faithful to you, why didn't you save me", to which God replied "I sent you a 4x4, a boat and a helicopter, what more did you want?" Sometimes things are provided naturally. The person with the hefty 4x4 who sometimes uses it to help others is probably doing more good than the person who gives it away for a feeling of spiritual superiority, no?

Luke 16:14 And the Pharisees who are lovers of money were scoffing at Jesus.

I mean I think you are misapplying the Scriptures. I thought that would have been clear.

Not at all it is you who are misapplying The Scriptures due to lack of faith. If God can provide for 1 million people through miracles in the wilderness if he could provide for Jesus and the disciples then I think he could provide for your family as well.

 

[tango]

Your lack of faith is causing you to compromise the Scriptures Jesus gave up all he had nothing he said the son of man has nowhere to lay his head the disciples gave up all Peter spoke up on behalf of the rest and said we have given up everything to follow you we must do likewise.

It's a good job Joseph of Arimathea didn't give up everything he had or Jesus would have had nowhere to lay his head even in death.

 

[tango]

So if you keep reading further you’ll find after Paul says he robbed one church in order to give to another he began to receive funds from the church in Macedonia so Paul did work up until he states he went into ministry full-time by receiving funds from the church in Macedonia.

Luke 16:14 And the Pharisees who are lovers of money were scoffing at Jesus.

Not at all it is you who are misapplying The Scriptures due to lack of faith. If God can provide for 1 million people through miracles in the wilderness if he could provide for Jesus and the disciples then I think he could provide for your family as well.

God could provide for people in a place where there was no other provision. God provided for Elijah as well, he provided for the widow who fed Elijah and so on.

Sometimes, and this is just a thought, God provides for people in more mundane secular ways. Since Elijah wasn't really in a place where he could just visit the grocery store and get some bread he needed something more miraculous. In this day and age most of us can just go to the grocery store and get what we need, so there's less need for ravens to bring us stuff.

 

[Amos Ministries]

It's a good job Joseph of Arimathea didn't give up everything he had or Jesus would have had nowhere to lay his head even in death.

The scripture states that these men Joseph of Arimathaea and Nicodemus love the praise of man and not the praise of God. So I wouldn’t be following Nicodemus or Joseph of Arimathea’s example.

 

[Amos Ministries]

God could provide for people in a place where there was no other provision. God provided for Elijah as well, he provided for the widow who fed Elijah and so on.

Sometimes, and this is just a thought, God provides for people in more mundane secular ways. Since Elijah wasn't really in a place where he could just visit the grocery store and get some bread he needed something more miraculous. In this day and age most of us can just go to the grocery store and get what we need, so there's less need for ravens to bring us stuff.

I think they were markets and stores and places to buy food in the time of Peter yet Peter give up everything to follow Jesus Along with the other disciples.

 

[Josiah]

Luke 14:33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

I don't think Jesus meant to abandon anything physical..... Did He (or any of the Apostles) give up food? Clothing?

I think to "give up" here means to not possess, to not place our faith/trust in such, to not be a disciple/servant of STUFF. We should not consider anything or anyone in place of or above Jesus.

Do you yourself do as you preach? Have you given up your computer, the internet? Have you given up eating the food God gives you? Have you given up the life God gave you?

The good steward that God is speaking of is the one who does not compromise and manipulate the truth that God has given us in the Bible through Jesus.

"Steward" = manager. It applies to all - not just positions. We are to be good stewards, responsible stewards of ALL God places in our hands.




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[Josiah]

I think they were markets and stores and places to buy food in the time of Peter yet Peter give up everything to follow Jesus Along with the other disciples.

Document for us that Peter gave up food, water, clothing...



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[tango]

I think they were markets and stores and places to buy food in the time of Peter yet Peter give up everything to follow Jesus Along with the other disciples.

So what do you suppose Peter ate?

Did the disciples get reprimanded for falling back into sin when they returned to fishing following Christ's death? Apparently not, because Jesus told them to cast their nets over the other side. Maybe he forgot they should have given up everything - their boats, their nets.

It does take a bizarre kind of logic to figure I'm supposed to give up my house in faith that God will provide shelter for me - you know, like maybe in a house. Why not just use the one I already have? It's equally bizarre to expect people to quit their jobs and give away literally everything they own in the faith that God will pretty much replace the things they need with equivalent things. You might suggest someone give up their multiple holiday homes so that others might have a place to live (although even that is a personal decision rather than something you get to decide for someone else) but another thing entirely to say we should give up the shelter God has provided for us so that God can provide us with shelter, especially since as soon as God provides us with shelter we're apparently supposed to give it up so that God can provide us with shelter. That sounds like a particularly bizarre form of circular reasoning.

Presumably after Peter "gave up everything" he wasn't walking around stark naked. That suggests he didn't give up all of his clothes. Maybe the situation is a little more nuanced than you're claiming.

 

[tango]

The scripture states that these men Joseph of Arimathaea and Nicodemus love the praise of man and not the praise of God. So I wouldn’t be following Nicodemus or Joseph of Arimathea’s example.

But you have to admit the resurrection story would be a whole lot less impressive had Jesus' body simply been dumped on the ground because there was nowhere else to put it, right? Instead of a couple of Roman soldiers to guard the entrance of the tomb it would have taken a whole bunch of them to form a ring around it, and the empty tomb would simply have been an empty plot of land. You know, the kind of empty plot that would leave open the possibility the soldiers just deserted and the body was stolen.

If you don't like the example of Joseph of Arimathea how about the numerous figures described as "righteous" from the Old Testament who had great wealth. Clearly they weren't particularly righteous, since they didn't give it all away. Was Scripture wrong to describe them as righteous? If Scripture is inspired by God, did God get confused as to who was righteous and who was not?

Given the choice I think I'd go with you missing the mark rather than God getting confused about who he favors.

 

[Amos Ministries]

Document for us that Peter gave up food, water, clothing...



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I don't think Jesus meant to abandon anything physical..... Did He (or any of the Apostles) give up food? Clothing?

I think to "give up" here means to not possess, to not place our faith/trust in such, to not be a disciple/servant of STUFF. We should not consider anything or anyone in place of or above Jesus.

Do you yourself do as you preach? Have you given up your computer, the internet? Have you given up eating the food God gives you? Have you given up the life God gave you?





"Steward" = manager. It applies to all - not just positions. We are to be good stewards, responsible stewards of ALL God places in our hands.




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[Staff Edit] It does not really matter what I have done it matters what Jesus said we are disputing what Jesus said whatever I said to you over the Internet I cannot prove so what’s the point of me making decisions that I have given up all my former businesses for the sake of the gospel.

Now you are omitting Out of a lack of faith the portion of the scripture that states that if you put the kingdom of heaven as your first priority God will provide for all your food and clothing this is from Luke 12 he does not state you will starve does he so why are you asking if Peter staved obviously Peter was provided for my God read the Scriptures. All you of little faith.

As you’ve twisted other scriptures you were twisting the parable regarding Stewarts. We are meant to be good stewards of the truths that God gives us to the Holy Spirit a bad steward twists manipulates and compromises these truths much like what you were doing with the concept of give up all due to a lack of faith.

 

[Amos Ministries]

But you have to admit the resurrection story would be a whole lot less impressive had Jesus' body simply been dumped on the ground because there was nowhere else to put it, right? Instead of a couple of Roman soldiers to guard the entrance of the tomb it would have taken a whole bunch of them to form a ring around it, and the empty tomb would simply have been an empty plot of land. You know, the kind of empty plot that would leave open the possibility the soldiers just deserted and the body was stolen.

If you don't like the example of Joseph of Arimathea how about the numerous figures described as "righteous" from the Old Testament who had great wealth. Clearly they weren't particularly righteous, since they didn't give it all away. Was Scripture wrong to describe them as righteous? If Scripture is inspired by God, did God get confused as to who was righteous and who was not?

Given the choice I think I'd go with you missing the mark rather than God getting confused about who he favors.

Of course you would because you love money. You go with anyone’s interpretation as long as they tell you you can keep your money. The old testament people murdered people and were still called righteous.

 

[Amos Ministries]

So what do you suppose Peter ate?

The scripture states if you seek the kingdom of heaven first God will add these things and to you have you not read this. Due to a lack of faith you are omitting this part of the scripture. Scripture states the Pharisees who were lovers of money were scoffing at Jesus, this is what you were doing.

Did the disciples get reprimanded for falling back into sin when they returned to fishing following Christ's death? Apparently not, because Jesus told them to cast their nets over the other side. Maybe he forgot they should have given up everything - their boats, their nets.

Have you not read that after they eat the fish Jesus said to Peter do you love me more than these meaning the fish. Then did he not say if you love me then tend my sheep feed my lambs meaning stop fishing and seeking after money but rather preach the gospel to my followers.

It does take a bizarre kind of logic to figure I'm supposed to give up my house in faith that God will provide shelter for me - you know, like maybe in a house.

Of course because you love your money and you like faith you can only serve one master.

Why not just use the one I already have? It's equally bizarre to expect people to quit their jobs and give away literally everything they own in the faith that God will pretty much replace the things they need with equivalent things. You might suggest someone give up their multiple holiday homes so that others might have a place to live (although even that is a personal decision rather than something you get to decide for someone else) but another thing entirely to say we should give up the shelter God has provided for us so that God can provide us with shelter, especially since as soon as God provides us with shelter we're apparently supposed to give it up so that God can provide us with shelter. That sounds like a particularly bizarre form of circular reasoning.

Presumably after Peter "gave up everything" he wasn't walking around stark naked. That suggests he didn't give up all of his clothes. Maybe the situation is a little more nuanced than you're claiming.

LOl well once again you’re omitting that part of the scripture that states that God will add all these things to you meaning food and clothing you need to study more and stop omitting manipulating compromising overlooking twisting the Scriptures.