Do you really think that a thread titled "The Holy Trinity and the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ" is about Mary?
Well, you're the one that posted about it so I might ask you that question as well.
Yes, I am the one that started this thread ten years ago. I wrote the Original Post, have you read it?
if you study that entire Olivet Discourse you will find it addresses the lives of the disciples and in that passage Jesus wasn't warning them about losing their faith, he was warning them about their ability to choose leaders. They were led astray as written by John in 1 John 2:18-19. They chose false teachers to replace them. Can you guess who they were?
False teachers were already there as documented by John.
I test it against the words of Jesus.
I suggest the English Standard Version, which is based on the best Greek and Hebrew manuscripts.
You are right, and the rest of the Bible doesn't mention them either. They have been part of a tradition added by the Popes because of their hubris in adding to Scripture unwarranted doctrines, an action that divides the worldwide church.
But then consider that it was the same group of people who authenticated the Gospel authors then packaged up the words of Paul and others into the New Testament and told the world it is the word of God.
That's the one I frequently use along with the KJV and others, the Old Testament is Tanakh based since that is what the Old Testament is, so now back to my original question, where do I find Mary worship in it (praying to Mary) along with other 'saints' that are not God and that have been declared such by men without anything in the Bible, particularly in the words of Jesus, that I know of saying to do so.
I completely agree with you, Frank!
No, it wasn't the same group of people. They weren't the ones who replaced the pagan Queen of Heaven with Mary and the many Roman gods with the saints when the church became the established Roman religion.
proph3cy references one group of false teachers who schemed to take over the Church, not two. Who do you believe this other group of people are And how are they different than Catholic founding false teachers?
Jesus commanded his eyewitnesses to document their testimony of Jesus. Jesus promised the Holy Spirit to help them write it and Jesus breathed the Spirit into them that first day of his resurrection. Theology says the gospels were written many years later by the authors they decided wrote them. According to prophecy and the words of Jesus we have eyewitness testimony written within 1290 days of Jesus resurrection. According to Jesus his words are the word of God. According to theology, men moved by the Holy Spirit decided what was the word of God rather than Jesus. According to theology, the words of men besides Jesus are the word of God and they wrote the words that prove it-e.g., 2 Timothy 3:16-17 and 2 Peter 1:16-21. So which option makes sense?
The weak part of your summary is your point that according to prophecy and the words of Jesus the words had to be written within 1290 days of Jesus' resurrection. What if your literal interpretation of the number of days is wrong? It is used in other Bible books as symbolic of the three and a half years of Elijah's famine and a complete time of suffering. How can you be so sure that your interpretation is correct? Have you checked out other commentaries and conservative authors to see what biblical evidence they have to support their ideas? If not, you might examine yourself to see if there's a little pride lurking in you that needs to be replaced with humility. Just a suggestion.
It's only a weak part if proven wrong. I've been over the numbers numerous times. They add up, make sense, and I'm a math wiz and can't find anything wrong with them.
I am pretty good at searching for and finding information that I need. I have not seen another analysis of the numbers of prophecy that make sense...until mine. This isn't me bragging, this is me stating a fact. I was up many late nights with frustrating prayer trying to solve it, and with the Holy Spirit the results finally make sense to me.
I have a bit of pride for not giving up and staying the course. I have a ton of humility because the Holy Spirit has revealed just how intimately involved in the details of my life and I'm not special, so yours and everyone else too. I've been blessed much more than I deserve.
God has knocked all of the proud thinking out of me by making me see that I might be wrong about my interpretation of prophecy. It's hard to know exactly what the numbers mean for absolute certainty, for example, whether or not they are figurative or literal. So, I just say that I'll wait to find out how God makes it all turn out.
I get it. But have you been through my math for Daniel seventy sevens? The Lord took me to prophecy and I objected. The Lord even gave me a vision telling me that I would object to looking at prophecy. I figured out the vision after I realized what I had done.
Would the math say anything different if a "seven" were, say, 7,000 years, @JustTheFacts? I just give you an example of how people have gone astray in the past and predicted the time of the end, when they were wrong. How can you be absolutely sure that your visions were from God, not some other source?
Yes, it would be different. The numbers wouldn't add up.
If your mind and logic was at all involved apart from the Bible, you may have gone astray. We need to seek God's gift of humility instead of our own human pride, which is often very active, since we are sinful.