The Holy Trinity and the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ

[MoreCoffee]

And it still evades the original questions posed about Mary

Do you really think that a thread titled "The Holy Trinity and the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ" is about Mary?

 

[Frankj]

Do you really think that a thread titled "The Holy Trinity and the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ" is about Mary?

Well, you're the one that posted about it so I might ask you that question as well.

If you don't want to be asked questions then don't make statements that elicit them.

Consider: Matthew 7:15: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.", Matthew 24:11: "And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.", 2 Peter 2:1: "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.", 1 John 4:1: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.", Acts 20:29-31: "I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish every one with tears. "

When something doesn't sound right to me I always try to test it against scripture as I know it and give the person saying it the same privilege since I am not infallible and want to test myself and my understanding as well.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Well, you're the one that posted

Yes, I am the one that started this thread ten years ago. I wrote the Original Post, have you read it?

 

[JustTheFacts]

Well, you're the one that posted about it so I might ask you that question as well.

If you don't want to be asked questions then don't make statements that elicit them.

Consider: Matthew 7:15: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.", Matthew 24:11: "And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.",

if you study that entire Olivet Discourse you will find it addresses the lives of the disciples and in that passage Jesus wasn't warning them about losing their faith, he was warning them about their ability to choose leaders. They were led astray as written by John in 1 John 2:18-19. They chose false teachers to replace them. Can you guess who they were?

2 Peter 2:1: "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.",
1 John 4:1: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.", Acts 20:29-31: "I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish every one with tears. "

False teachers were already there as documented by John.

When something doesn't sound right to me I always try to test it against scripture as I know it and give the person saying it the same privilege since I am not infallible and want to test myself and my understanding as well.

I test it against the words of Jesus.

 

[JustTheFacts]

So who authorized any Dogma, tradition, and even the words of Paul and others to be the word of God? Follow the words of Jesus and you won’t need to debate any more because the answers are all provided. Prophecy nor Jesus never mention purgatory, praying to saints, or any of the tradition like making the sign of the cross, holy water, etc.

 

[BruceLeiter]

I hate to sound adversarial, but your answer leads me to think maybe you can't answer my question and avoiding admitting it.

As for a proper Bible, can you suggest a Christian bible that doesn't have the old testament based on either the Vulgate (direct Latin translation of the Tanakh from Hebrew) or the Septuagint (Greek translation of the Tanakh from Hebrew)? I know of none.

But I will take your suggestion if you do, FWIW I have many translations available and generally consult multiple versions when I have any question regarding scriptural meanings.

I suggest the English Standard Version, which is based on the best Greek and Hebrew manuscripts.

 

[BruceLeiter]

So who authorized any Dogma, tradition, and even the words of Paul and others to be the word of God? Follow the words of Jesus and you won’t need to debate any more because the answers are all provided. Prophecy nor Jesus never mention purgatory, praying to saints, or any of the tradition like making the sign of the cross, holy water, etc.

You are right, and the rest of the Bible doesn't mention them either. They have been part of a tradition added by the Popes because of their hubris in adding to Scripture unwarranted doctrines, an action that divides the worldwide church.

 

[JustTheFacts]

You are right, and the rest of the Bible doesn't mention them either. They have been part of a tradition added by the Popes because of their hubris in adding to Scripture unwarranted doctrines, an action that divides the worldwide church.

But then consider that it was the same group of people who authenticated the Gospel authors then packaged up the words of Paul and others into the New Testament and told the world it is the word of God.